mnealtx 0 #26 October 31, 2006 I'll check that tomorrow when I'm back at the desk...thanks for the link.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #27 October 31, 2006 What Kerry said is absolutely true. Overwhelmingly, the US military is made up of people who didn't have the cash or the grades to go to college directly. That's why I served in Gulf War I - money for college, a sense of duty and service, and a desire to see the world. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #28 October 31, 2006 <> - Good for you - did you see much? A lot of folks tend to stay on base when abroad unfortnately.. even over here in the jolly nice U.K. Which is a criminal shame. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #29 October 31, 2006 QuoteWhat Kerry said is absolutely true. While it may be true, it still showed Kerry to be the smug, elitist, asshole so many have come to loathe. He basically said - Hey, all you soldiers... you're a bunch of fuck ups". I wonder how it would play if he made similarly true (but offensive) statements about one of our protected classes??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #30 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat Kerry said is absolutely true. While it may be true, it still showed Kerry to be the smug, elitist, asshole so many have come to loathe. He basically said - Hey, all you soldiers... you're a bunch of fuck ups". I wonder how it would play if he made similarly true (but offensive) statements about one of our protected classes??? Are you a soldier, sailor, marine, or airman, or have you been? I am an ex sailor and soldier, and I didn't take offense. It's called being self-aware, and most military men are very self-aware. So I didn't have a college education - so what? The true elitists are those who use power and influence to avoid serving, and we all know who they are in the present administration (pretty much all of them) As far as seeing the world - I saw lots of Southwest Asia, and the entire East coast, and Memphis, TN for quite a while. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #31 October 31, 2006 <> Thanks.. I joined to see the world too but didn't see much.. Scotland (cool) and a short spell at your PAX River. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 October 31, 2006 QuoteWhat Kerry said is absolutely true. anecdotal perhaps, but my entire division of Navy personnel were all upper 1 tenth percent of college graduates in hard engineering and science majors I guess he's talking about that group, my brother in law, about one fifth of the posters on these forums, Kallend's fine son, a doctor from our local DZ, etc etc Kerry's generalization was really stupid, as nearly everyone has someone close that is serving. But he's such a blatant elitist, you have to forgive him. But I guess that fits since he also served (or so I hear). But like most presidential candidate losers in the last couple elections, he's making it a practice to go around tasting his feet - when he should really be doing the job he currently has. edit: if it was inadvertant or out of context, then he's a politician and should know better than to torpedo his career. (Same argument used for some of the stuff reps have vomited lately). Do we really want someone so dumb in office that doesn't get PR? (isn't our president and 534 congressmen enough? Does Kerry have to round it out to all of them? apparently so) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #33 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteLet's ask Dan Rather. "Fake, but accurate" Great job! You nailed it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #34 October 31, 2006 QuoteThe true elitists are those who use power and influence to avoid serving Kerry tried. He just couldn't convince the draft board that playing in Paris for a year was a valid exemption. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #35 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat Kerry said is absolutely true. anecdotal perhaps, but my entire division of Navy personnel were all upper 1 tenth percent of college graduates in hard engineering and science majors I guess he's talking about that group, my brother in law, about one fifth of the posters on these forums, Kallend's fine son, a doctor from our local DZ, etc etc Kerry's generalization was really stupid, as nearly everyone has someone close that is serving. But he's such a blatant elitist, you have to forgive him. But I guess that fits since he also served (or so I hear). But like most presidential candidate losers in the last couple elections, he's making it a practice to go around tasting his feet - when he should really be doing the job he currently has. The engineering grads in the top of their classes are not the grunts on the ground, and if they are, they are in the VAST minority. And yes, he said it the wrong way, but he had a valid point - the country is not sharing the load of war equally. Maybe he just had a George Bush moment.... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,073 #36 October 31, 2006 > it still showed Kerry to be the smug, elitist, asshole so many have come to loathe. I'll take the smug, elitist asshole who walks the walk over the fool who just talks the talk. (Which, sadly, was what our choices were.) Actually knowing something about fighting a war may have saved an awful lot of american lives over the past two years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #37 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe true elitists are those who use power and influence to avoid serving Kerry tried. He just couldn't convince the draft board that playing in Paris for a year was a valid exemption. Are you in the military? Why not? Go enlist! Looking Glass is a blast, BTW...... I want to come down and bail off a big wall again sometiime soon... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #38 October 31, 2006 Isn't there a physical you have to pass? I prefer to avoid the embarassment of getting laughed out of my physical. Too old. Too many broken (and mended) parts. Why did you bail? Weather factors are the only valid excuses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 October 31, 2006 QuoteWhy did you bail? Weather factors are the only valid excuses. I bailed after 8 years in 1979 with a line number for a promotion...I decided to use all the GI Bill I had EARNED. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #40 October 31, 2006 QuoteIsn't there a physical you have to pass? I prefer to avoid the embarassment of getting laughed out of my physical. Too old. Too many broken (and mended) parts. Don't sweat it - they lowered the standards. QuoteWhy did you bail? Weather factors are the only valid excuses. First big wall, crowded route, time we had to complete the route was short, oh, and we wussed out. After caching gear and food the night before and toting a portaledge up to the base, it was a painful choice. We got up the Nose and some stuff on the S. face the day before, so it was still a good trip. It wasn't even a 'hard' route (as walls go) - Glass Menagerie. It was a few years back though, as I'd guess it would go a bit easier now. Next time -cheater stick. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #41 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhy did you bail? Weather factors are the only valid excuses. I bailed after 8 years in 1979 with a line number for a promotion...I decided to use all the GI Bill I had EARNED. You were up on Looking Glass Rock for 8 years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #42 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat Kerry said is absolutely true. anecdotal perhaps, but my entire division of Navy personnel were all upper 1 tenth percent of college graduates in hard engineering and science majors Has that division been sent off to Iraq, or is it running naval reactors somewhere?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #43 November 1, 2006 QuoteWhat Kerry said is absolutely true. Overwhelmingly, the US military is made up of people who didn't have the cash or the grades to go to college directly. That's why I served in Gulf War I - money for college, a sense of duty and service, and a desire to see the world. Speak for yourself pal. Please refrain from including me and quite few others in your comments."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #44 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat Kerry said is absolutely true. Overwhelmingly, the US military is made up of people who didn't have the cash or the grades to go to college directly. That's why I served in Gulf War I - money for college, a sense of duty and service, and a desire to see the world. Speak for yourself pal. Please refrain from including me and quite few others in your comments. WOW!!! I know a lot of people who delayed college because they wanted to serve their country. Because they felt it was important. I don't think I know anyone who joined only because they didn't have the grades or the money. I'm sure there are a lot who did join for that reason but to besmirch everyone who enlists in the Military as of low intelect, and financial means is pretty demeaning. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #45 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteGonna LOVE to see the spin on this one... Quote“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” - John Kerry (speech on behalf of Phil Angelides) Is Kerry the one who went to Vietnam, or is he the one that stayed home? No spin on this, the guy's a jerk, plain and simple. Poor Phil Angelides, who hasn't got a prayer against Arnold, is probably wishing the hell he'd told Kerry to stay the fuck out of California. What really pisses me off about what Kerry said is that it's the kind of rich man's elitism that knows no party affiliation. It's the kind of arrogance that will take you a long way in life as a Democrat or a Republican. It ignores the ideal of service to country, or to anyone else beyond one's own bank account. And yet these swine see themselves as fit to run our country, calling the shots, and sending the best of our young men and women into harm's way on a whim. Service to them is for losers. And of course those losers had better make it snappy. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #46 November 1, 2006 QuoteWhat Kerry said is absolutely true. Overwhelmingly, the US military is made up of people who didn't have the cash or the grades to go to college directly. That's why I served in Gulf War I - money for college, a sense of duty and service, and a desire to see the world. I'm not sure of your stats but who does that represent? The elite? The stupid? How about the middle class. Yeah, that is more like it. The elite always have the $ and pull to get to college. The poor have subsidies, grants & scholarships. The middle class has to either take out loans or work their way through. Such as I did, such as my children did. Kerry may be a NE elitist who loves the poor (his voting base) but he is totally out of contact with the middle class. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #47 November 1, 2006 The whole thing is moot anyway. It was a jab at Bush, just a poor one. He was insinuating that since Bush is dumb and didn't do well in school, he got us stuck in Iraq. Anyway, if you want some stats on the US Army, try: http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/demographics/FY05%20Army%20Profile.pdf and decide for yourself. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #48 November 1, 2006 I would say that claiming "absultely true" does not include other options. Just because you signed to "travel the world" and "get some education" there are some of us who had both before joining. Keep me out of your generalization please."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #49 November 1, 2006 QuoteI would say that claiming "absultely true" does not include other options. Just because you signed to "travel the world" and "get some education" there are some of us who had both before joining. Keep me out of your generalization please. Generally speaking, generalizations about populations generally allow for individual exceptions, in general.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #50 November 1, 2006 QuoteGenerally speaking, generalizations about populations generally allow for individual exceptions, in general. That's like, so like, difficult.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
