What do you think about people sueing McDonalds?

[lawrocket 3]

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Lawyers get rich.

Which is what really goes on. Class actions have become a goddamned disgrace. A class action is nothing more that the opportunity for big money to the plaintiff lawyers. Get a 100 million dollar settlement and the ten plaintiff lawyers get split 35 million of it.

Unless another attorney objects to the settlement, in which case 11 lawyers split $50 million. Meanwhile, the defendant business will have to give a non-transferable coupon for five buck off of the next purchase to the class members. A great deal, eh?

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[jcd11235 0]

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Here's the logic, folks, and it's impeccable. I challenge anybody to disprove this logic: "Bad decisions are bad for society. Bad decisions can only be made if there are one or more bad options. By eliminating all bad options, there can be no bad decisions. McDonald's is a bad decision on a societal level. Therefore, it should be eliminated as a possible choice, thus improving society."

In order for this to be logical you must demonstrate that an option is either bad or good (no gray area), and that it is always bad or always good, regardless of the perspective of those who have said option.

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[lawrocket 3]

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Here's the logic, folks, and it's impeccable. I challenge anybody to disprove this logic: "Bad decisions are bad for society. Bad decisions can only be made if there are one or more bad options. By eliminating all bad options, there can be no bad decisions. McDonald's is a bad decision on a societal level. Therefore, it should be eliminated as a possible choice, thus improving society."

In order for this to be logical you must demonstrate that an option is either bad or good (no gray area), and that it is always bad or always good, regardless of the perspective of those who have said option.

So you are saying eating McDonald's is a good option for society? Let us all eat at McDonalds and die of obesity and heart disease by 45. You sound like a corporate moneymonger, just trying to profit at the expense of the people.

I'll bet you think trans-fat is a good thing, too. What about airborne plutonium greehouses gases? The more the merrier?

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[billvon 3,076]

> I challenge anybody to disprove this logic

OK, taking it one at a time:

>Bad decisions are bad for society.

Not at all! A drunk child abuser may make a bad decision and drink himself to death. But that's good for his family (and society overall.)

>By eliminating all bad options, there can be no bad decisions.

That assumes that one never takes "none of the above." Like the man says - if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. So you can always make a bad decision even if all your clear options are good ones.

Example - you can present a high school grad with the options of military, college and vocational training. He can then decide to do nothing, just sit on the couch all day. Bad decision, even though all his options were good.

>McDonald's is a bad decision on a societal level. Therefore, it should
>be eliminated as a possible choice, thus improving society.

Ah, but if it kills off the dumbest, laziest, most gluttonous (insert other adjectives here) it ends up being good for society overall - albeit bad for the people involves.

Of course talking about the dumbest people killing themselves off is entirely politically incorrect, and I hereby admonish myself for even making such a suggestion.

[jcd11235 0]

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Here's the logic, folks, and it's impeccable. I challenge anybody to disprove this logic: "Bad decisions are bad for society. Bad decisions can only be made if there are one or more bad options. By eliminating all bad options, there can be no bad decisions. McDonald's is a bad decision on a societal level. Therefore, it should be eliminated as a possible choice, thus improving society."

In order for this to be logical you must demonstrate that an option is either bad or good (no gray area), and that it is always bad or always good, regardless of the perspective of those who have said option.

So you are saying eating McDonald's is a good option for society? Let us all eat at McDonalds and die of obesity and heart disease by 45. You sound like a corporate moneymonger, just trying to profit at the expense of the people.

I'll bet you think trans-fat is a good thing, too. What about airborne plutonium greehouses gases? The more the merrier?

I eat at McDonald's often, because they are cheap. My other option is not eating, which is definitely a bad option. I would much rather eat healthy every meal, but that is not an option currently available to me. (Though I do when the opportunity presents itself.)

My point was that an option is good or bad relative to other available options, and not something intrinsic to any given option.

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[billvon 3,076]

>I eat at McDonald's often, because they are cheap.

Eating broccoli, beans, rice, apples and nuts would be a lot cheaper and healthier - but not as convenient. Most fruits and vegetables cost under 25 cents per serving, so a meal would cost around $1. (And the fresh versions are cheaper than the canned versions.)

McDonald's definitely wins on "cheap and convenient" but not on "cheap."

[jcd11235 0]

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>I eat at McDonald's often, because they are cheap.

Eating broccoli, beans, rice, apples and nuts would be a lot cheaper and healthier - but not as convenient. Most fruits and vegetables cost under 25 cents per serving, so a meal would cost around $1. (And the fresh versions are cheaper than the canned versions.)

McDonald's definitely wins on "cheap and convenient" but not on "cheap."

One sausage egg and cheese McMuffin costs $1, and will last me until dinner. Try as I might, I have not been able to match that in price or convenience. An apple costs me nearly as much, but only keeps me feeling not hungry for a couple hours.

Plus, I can't keep roommates out of fruits and vegetables, so I end up paying for their food, as well.

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[lawrocket 3]

And I'm sure you've figured out that I am taking the part of the devil's advocate, which so happens to equate with the philosophy of a number of people.

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A drunk child abuser may make a bad decision and drink himself to death. But that's good for his family (and society overall.)

It's a sickness. Alcohol causes it, so alcohol is to blame.

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That assumes that one never takes "none of the above." Like the man says - if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. So you can always make a bad decision even if all your clear options are good ones.

Bad decisions are bad decisions. That means they aren't good. At least, not good from my point of view. You are trying to politicize this with arguments and I am trying to bridge the gap to work towards a greater goal. Quit stonewalling.

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Example - you can present a high school grad with the options of military, college and vocational training. He can then decide to do nothing, just sit on the couch all day. Bad decision, even though all his options were good.

He wouldn't be lazy if not for McDonald's. You sound like a hearltess libertarian - it's unacceptable to let him do nothing.

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Ah, but if it kills off the dumbest, laziest, most gluttonous (insert other adjectives here) it ends up being good for society overall - albeit bad for the people involves.

But it costs health care money and ruins families. It's alcohol's fault, bill. They should pay dearly for it.
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[lawrocket 3]

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My other option is not eating, which is definitely a bad option.

NO! Call it a hunger strike! Don't ruin it!

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[billvon 3,076]

>Alcohol causes it, so alcohol is to blame.

Well, right, but alcohol killed him, so it gets the credit too. You know, come to think of it, possession of alcohol should be protected the way possession of guns are!

>You are trying to politicize this with arguments and I am trying
>to bridge the gap to work towards a greater goal.

I'm trying to build a path towards a better tomorrow and you keep putting these damn bridges in my way.

>It's alcohol's fault, bill. They should pay dearly for it.

Alcohol doesn't kill people, people kill people! So now you want to ban alcohol in certain areas? Why not just put a sign out - "perfectly sober and capable criminals in this area" - so people know where to go to be victims?

[billvon 3,076]

>One sausage egg and cheese McMuffin costs $1, and will last me until
>dinner. Try as I might, I have not been able to match that in price or
>convenience.

Just stopped by Von's on the way home.

Broccoli - $.79/lb
Carrots - $1.50 for 5 lbs
Apples $.50/lb
Pasta $.88/lb (uncooked)

So take a carrot, a small head of broccoli, a third of a pound of pasta, some cooking oil and spices (whatever you like) and you have pasta primavera (over a pound of food) for 75 cents. Add an apple for dessert and you're at $1.

Like I said, McDonald's doesn't win on price. But on convenience - well, that's why they make so much money.

[markd_nscr986 0]

It's not their fault.....It's societys fault for making them suffer from low self esteem ( becoming lard asses in the process) and McDonald's fault for providing the "vehicle" for their self-destructive behaviour. You wouldn't really expect them to take responsibility for their actions would you?

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[jcd11235 0]

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>One sausage egg and cheese McMuffin costs $1, and will last me until
>dinner. Try as I might, I have not been able to match that in price or
>convenience.

Just stopped by Von's on the way home.

Broccoli - $.79/lb
Carrots - $1.50 for 5 lbs
Apples $.50/lb
Pasta $.88/lb (uncooked)

So take a carrot, a small head of broccoli, a third of a pound of pasta, some cooking oil and spices (whatever you like) and you have pasta primavera (over a pound of food) for 75 cents. Add an apple for dessert and you're at $1.

Like I said, McDonald's doesn't win on price. But on convenience - well, that's why they make so much money.

I never thought I say this, but wow, produce is cheap in San Diego. (I didn't think anything was cheap in SD) Last time I purchased a decent sized apple (not very long ago), it was $.88. I think they were $1.49/lb.

I really don't think I could buy all that for under a buck per meal around here. I'll check next time at Publix, though.

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[billvon 3,076]

>but wow, produce is cheap in San Diego.

Where do you live? We get some of our food from the Imperial Valley (very close) but most of our apples still come from Washington.

[jcd11235 0]

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Where do you live? We get some of our food from the Imperial Valley (very close) but most of our apples still come from Washington.

Orlando, FL. We get cheap orange juice.

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[billvon 3,076]

>We get cheap orange juice.

Hmm! So do we, but we got em here too.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>We get cheap orange juice.

Hmm! So do we, but we got em here too.

That's just because you have all those illegals picking them.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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>We get cheap orange juice.

Hmm! So do we, but we got em here too.

That's just because you have all those illegals picking them.

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The illegals pick damn near all the produce in the US. Ok, well, a lot of it, anyway. Just like Americans like cheap oil, they also like cheap food.