Royd 0 #26 November 1, 2006 QuoteWhats dumb about Kerry's remarks isn't so much what he said, but the timing. He's gotta know anything he says is going to be used as a hammer against his party. Right or wrong, that's what will happen.I saw the footage, and honestly, I believe that he just couldn't help himself. I want to see if the leaders of his party are going to give him a smackdown, or if they agree with him, and just keep their mouths shut. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #27 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhats dumb about Kerry's remarks isn't so much what he said, but the timing. He's gotta know anything he says is going to be used as a hammer against his party. Right or wrong, that's what will happen.I saw the footage, and honestly, I believe that he just couldn't help himself. I want to see if the leaders of his party are going to give him a smackdown, or if they agree with him, and just keep their mouths shut. - They aren't going to say much publicly because they just want it to go away. I'll bet Pelosi is on the phone right now with Kerry and her eyes are bulging, face is red and she's screaming "YOU DUMBFUCK LOSER, SHUT THE FUCK-UP". I'd love to be a fly on her wall right now. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #28 November 1, 2006 QuoteThey aren't going to say much publicly because they just want it to go away. I'll bet Pelosi is on the phone right now with Kerry and her eyes are bulging, face is red and she's screaming "YOU DUMBFUCK LOSER, SHUT THE FUCK-UP". If I was their stratagist, I'd have them denounce the statement publicly, and permanently put him on a back burner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #29 November 1, 2006 Not a strategist, but one Democrat candidate, Bruce Braley has "independently decided to cancel an event with Kerry""According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 November 1, 2006 If Rove were smart, (and he is) he will turn this into the 2004 election again. Bush vs Kerry. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #31 November 1, 2006 I just watched his defiant press conference statement. He sure is holding his ground, what a tough guy to not give an inch! So, he thinks that it is crazy to think that a veteran that has served in war would criticize the troops instead of the president, then they are crazy (paraphrased). So, he thinks it is just not possible, veterans of war are somehow immunized - preventing them from doing such an awful thing. He served during wartime, therefore he can do no wrong when it comes to this sort of stuff. I don't think so. History shows that serving in war could turn some into ultra hawks, some others into pacifists, some might think all servicemen are heroes, some might think all are stupid, or somewhere in between. But not Kerry, he thinks there is only one possible outcome for veterans that have served, they could never criticize the troops... He's not running in this election, but he is way up there in terms of Dem leadership. Dems want to 'nationalize' the election, make it about Bush, who is not running. That is reasonable, it was Bush that pushed to go to war. Repubs in this election will pay a political price for their leader making that decision. It is also reasonable that voters would look to the words of the top Dem leaders/previous nominee for president for a look ahead at what is in store if they regain political power in Congress. What a butt dumpling. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 November 1, 2006 QuoteAlmost no D's are discussing the issues (nor are a lot of R's) but Kerry could help blow that for them as this election is about Bush and not the issues. Bush's performance isn't a valid issue? Iraq isn't an issue? What the fuck *is* an issue, then? Surely not gay marriage or the fantasy horde of aliens at the Mexican border. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #33 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteAlmost no D's are discussing the issues (nor are a lot of R's) but Kerry could help blow that for them as this election is about Bush and not the issues. QuoteBush's performance isn't a valid issue? Iraq isn't an issue? What the fuck *is* an issue, then? Surely not gay marriage or the fantasy horde of aliens at the Mexican border. I said the election was about Bush. What the fuck is it about that you don't understand? How many are talking about balanced budgets, SS, paying down the deficit, border security etc. The only thing coming out of my TV is how "my opponent is a bad guy because of some comment he made, or something he did 30 years ago". "Vote for me because I'm not as much of a ___________ as my opponent". - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #34 November 1, 2006 QuoteIt was a botched joke aimed at the WH, not neccesarily at the troops. I agree that he should give an apology but, beyond that, what's the big deal? So, Kerry can not tell a joke very well? No big deal. Bush is far worst at running the country and even worst at running the military, which should be the greater concern and is a big deal. Aimed at the White House? So, if you don't do well in school, you can be President? Maybe Mumsy and Father shouldn't have spent all that money sending him to college...he could be President now! In other words... the liberal redirect of "it was about the WH, not about the troops" is bullshit.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #35 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuote>As the D's have tried to smear the R's as the party of pediphiles? The more the republicans try to claim that "one democrat is like all democrats" the more voters will believe that the GOP is the party of pedophiles. Want to avoid that label? Start debating the issues, rather than trying to smear a party based on one guy's dumb remarks. Since Kerry ran for President, he is still an important icon of the D's and represents much of what they stand for (or don't stand for) to many people. . - I suppose that makes Dan Quayle an important icon of the Republicans.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #36 November 1, 2006 QuoteIt was a botched joke aimed at the WH, not neccesarily at the troops. I agree that he should give an apology but, beyond that, what's the big deal? So, Kerry can not tell a joke very well? No big deal. Bush is far worst at running the country and even worst at running the military, which should be the greater concern and is a big deal. The big deal is obvious to me, the RW has a thumbnail to stick under a fabricated non-issue, so they use it as a distraction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #37 November 1, 2006 QuoteI understand the GOP's desperate attempts to find a "bad" democrat to smear, but it's going to backfire if they push very hard. It's going to show, "This is the best you can do amidst all of the baby raping and money stealing?" Maybe this is The Repubs October surprise.... a bit less stinging than finding OBL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #38 November 1, 2006 Quote>As the D's have tried to smear the R's as the party of pediphiles? The more the republicans try to claim that "one democrat is like all democrats" the more voters will believe that the GOP is the party of pedophiles. Want to avoid that label? Start debating the issues, rather than trying to smear a party based on one guy's dumb remarks. Or saying one politician is like another, regardless of party affiliation. Then they bring up Chappaquidick.... shows desperation which is viewed by many as an acqiescence to the assertions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #39 November 1, 2006 Here is what he said (I think) QuoteIf anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they’re crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have. The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor. Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they're afraid to debate real men. And this time it won't work because we're going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq. Way to take one for the team, Mr. Kerry. To those who think Kerry enlisted out of a sense of duty, don't kid yourself. He enlisted to be able to choose which service he wanted (Navy was considered much safer than the Army), only after his requests for deferment were denied and the chance of being drafted was a distinct possibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #40 November 1, 2006 Quote>And you need to remember the R's got rid of Foley very quickly.......but >the D's will keep Jim Webb. This is one of the reasons the GOP is headed for a loss. Republicans are actually equating someone who preys on children over the internet with someone who writes sexy books. Would you want a government leader to pass off pedophilia as no worse than someone who writes a letter to Penthouse Forum? Most voters realize that one is plain old porn, the other a crime. >Now, you decide what is worse Pedophilia is worse. Wow. Nice spin. On the one hand you have Foley, who sent inappropriate e-mails to young men but never had any kind of sexual contact with a minor, is now labelled a child predator and a pedophile. On the other, you have Jim Webb. His depictions of pedophilia and incest ("the man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down and put the boy's penis in his mouth") are being labelled as mere sexy fiction. Nothing more. Like "it's all good". Do I think Foley is worse? Hell yes! But let's present things as they actually are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Revillusion 0 #41 November 1, 2006 Kerry said it was a botched joke about the President. Regardless of whether he meant to say "get stuck in Iraq" - or - "get us stuck in Iraq", it was a poor choice of words. He should apologize for the comment. VIRTUS JUNXIT MORS NON SEPARABIT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #42 November 1, 2006 If he botched the joke, perhaps he should tell us what he should have said. Hopefully it will be more funny.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #43 November 1, 2006 QuoteIf he botched the joke, perhaps he should tell us what he should have said. Hopefully it will be more funny. He was supposed to say this: "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." But you know what amazes me? Bush criticizing him because Kerry botched a sentence. If anyone knows how to tounge fumble a statement it's Bush. You'd think he'd show a little compassionate conservatism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #44 November 1, 2006 QuoteBut you know what amazes me? Bush criticizing him because Kerry botched a sentence. If anyone knows how to tounge fumble a statement it's Bush. Tounge fumble? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #45 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteBut you know what amazes me? Bush criticizing him because Kerry botched a sentence. If anyone knows how to tounge fumble a statement it's Bush. Tounge fumble? A reference to the abundance of Bushisms. I made that one up. I thought it was fitting for this time of the year. Foung Tumble was the original idea but I didn't want to completely confuse everyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #46 November 1, 2006 Tounge? I'm confused. Good thing you didn't go with foung tumble. Do you mean tongue? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #47 November 1, 2006 QuoteTounge? I'm confused. Good thing you didn't go with foung tumble. Do you mean tongue? Well there you go! Maybe I AM qualified to be president!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #48 November 1, 2006 QuoteTo those who think Kerry enlisted out of a sense of duty, don't kid yourself. He enlisted to be able to choose which service he wanted (Navy was considered much safer than the Army), only after his requests for deferment were denied and the chance of being drafted was a distinct possibility. If he'd stayed safely on a destroyer or something offshore, that argument might have a bit of traction. But the fact remains that he volunteered for swift boat combat duty and was in combat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #49 November 1, 2006 QuoteI suppose that makes Dan Quayle an important icon of the Republicans. excellent point - and the dems and yourself and many on this board milked that to death but Dan Quayle during his bid for president is very equivalent to both Kerry and Gore's activities after their losses at least DQ went away after a while - but he doesn't really have that whole "never give up, never think things through attitude" that you find in Washington today ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #50 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteTo those who think Kerry enlisted out of a sense of duty, don't kid yourself. He enlisted to be able to choose which service he wanted (Navy was considered much safer than the Army), only after his requests for deferment were denied and the chance of being drafted was a distinct possibility. If he'd stayed safely on a destroyer or something offshore, that argument might have a bit of traction. But the fact remains that he volunteered for swift boat combat duty and was in combat. The claim that he volunteered for swift boat "combat duty" doen't seem to have much traction, either. Quote"When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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mnealtx 0 #34 November 1, 2006 QuoteIt was a botched joke aimed at the WH, not neccesarily at the troops. I agree that he should give an apology but, beyond that, what's the big deal? So, Kerry can not tell a joke very well? No big deal. Bush is far worst at running the country and even worst at running the military, which should be the greater concern and is a big deal. Aimed at the White House? So, if you don't do well in school, you can be President? Maybe Mumsy and Father shouldn't have spent all that money sending him to college...he could be President now! In other words... the liberal redirect of "it was about the WH, not about the troops" is bullshit.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #35 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuote>As the D's have tried to smear the R's as the party of pediphiles? The more the republicans try to claim that "one democrat is like all democrats" the more voters will believe that the GOP is the party of pedophiles. Want to avoid that label? Start debating the issues, rather than trying to smear a party based on one guy's dumb remarks. Since Kerry ran for President, he is still an important icon of the D's and represents much of what they stand for (or don't stand for) to many people. . - I suppose that makes Dan Quayle an important icon of the Republicans.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 November 1, 2006 QuoteIt was a botched joke aimed at the WH, not neccesarily at the troops. I agree that he should give an apology but, beyond that, what's the big deal? So, Kerry can not tell a joke very well? No big deal. Bush is far worst at running the country and even worst at running the military, which should be the greater concern and is a big deal. The big deal is obvious to me, the RW has a thumbnail to stick under a fabricated non-issue, so they use it as a distraction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #37 November 1, 2006 QuoteI understand the GOP's desperate attempts to find a "bad" democrat to smear, but it's going to backfire if they push very hard. It's going to show, "This is the best you can do amidst all of the baby raping and money stealing?" Maybe this is The Repubs October surprise.... a bit less stinging than finding OBL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #38 November 1, 2006 Quote>As the D's have tried to smear the R's as the party of pediphiles? The more the republicans try to claim that "one democrat is like all democrats" the more voters will believe that the GOP is the party of pedophiles. Want to avoid that label? Start debating the issues, rather than trying to smear a party based on one guy's dumb remarks. Or saying one politician is like another, regardless of party affiliation. Then they bring up Chappaquidick.... shows desperation which is viewed by many as an acqiescence to the assertions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #39 November 1, 2006 Here is what he said (I think) QuoteIf anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they’re crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have. The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor. Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they're afraid to debate real men. And this time it won't work because we're going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq. Way to take one for the team, Mr. Kerry. To those who think Kerry enlisted out of a sense of duty, don't kid yourself. He enlisted to be able to choose which service he wanted (Navy was considered much safer than the Army), only after his requests for deferment were denied and the chance of being drafted was a distinct possibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #40 November 1, 2006 Quote>And you need to remember the R's got rid of Foley very quickly.......but >the D's will keep Jim Webb. This is one of the reasons the GOP is headed for a loss. Republicans are actually equating someone who preys on children over the internet with someone who writes sexy books. Would you want a government leader to pass off pedophilia as no worse than someone who writes a letter to Penthouse Forum? Most voters realize that one is plain old porn, the other a crime. >Now, you decide what is worse Pedophilia is worse. Wow. Nice spin. On the one hand you have Foley, who sent inappropriate e-mails to young men but never had any kind of sexual contact with a minor, is now labelled a child predator and a pedophile. On the other, you have Jim Webb. His depictions of pedophilia and incest ("the man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down and put the boy's penis in his mouth") are being labelled as mere sexy fiction. Nothing more. Like "it's all good". Do I think Foley is worse? Hell yes! But let's present things as they actually are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Revillusion 0 #41 November 1, 2006 Kerry said it was a botched joke about the President. Regardless of whether he meant to say "get stuck in Iraq" - or - "get us stuck in Iraq", it was a poor choice of words. He should apologize for the comment. VIRTUS JUNXIT MORS NON SEPARABIT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #42 November 1, 2006 If he botched the joke, perhaps he should tell us what he should have said. Hopefully it will be more funny.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #43 November 1, 2006 QuoteIf he botched the joke, perhaps he should tell us what he should have said. Hopefully it will be more funny. He was supposed to say this: "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." But you know what amazes me? Bush criticizing him because Kerry botched a sentence. If anyone knows how to tounge fumble a statement it's Bush. You'd think he'd show a little compassionate conservatism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #44 November 1, 2006 QuoteBut you know what amazes me? Bush criticizing him because Kerry botched a sentence. If anyone knows how to tounge fumble a statement it's Bush. Tounge fumble? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #45 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteBut you know what amazes me? Bush criticizing him because Kerry botched a sentence. If anyone knows how to tounge fumble a statement it's Bush. Tounge fumble? A reference to the abundance of Bushisms. I made that one up. I thought it was fitting for this time of the year. Foung Tumble was the original idea but I didn't want to completely confuse everyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #46 November 1, 2006 Tounge? I'm confused. Good thing you didn't go with foung tumble. Do you mean tongue? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #47 November 1, 2006 QuoteTounge? I'm confused. Good thing you didn't go with foung tumble. Do you mean tongue? Well there you go! Maybe I AM qualified to be president!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #48 November 1, 2006 QuoteTo those who think Kerry enlisted out of a sense of duty, don't kid yourself. He enlisted to be able to choose which service he wanted (Navy was considered much safer than the Army), only after his requests for deferment were denied and the chance of being drafted was a distinct possibility. If he'd stayed safely on a destroyer or something offshore, that argument might have a bit of traction. But the fact remains that he volunteered for swift boat combat duty and was in combat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #49 November 1, 2006 QuoteI suppose that makes Dan Quayle an important icon of the Republicans. excellent point - and the dems and yourself and many on this board milked that to death but Dan Quayle during his bid for president is very equivalent to both Kerry and Gore's activities after their losses at least DQ went away after a while - but he doesn't really have that whole "never give up, never think things through attitude" that you find in Washington today ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #50 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteTo those who think Kerry enlisted out of a sense of duty, don't kid yourself. He enlisted to be able to choose which service he wanted (Navy was considered much safer than the Army), only after his requests for deferment were denied and the chance of being drafted was a distinct possibility. If he'd stayed safely on a destroyer or something offshore, that argument might have a bit of traction. But the fact remains that he volunteered for swift boat combat duty and was in combat. The claim that he volunteered for swift boat "combat duty" doen't seem to have much traction, either. Quote"When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
