JackC 0 #126 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf the voices represent something within a culturally-sanctioned belief system, then generally hearing them is not considered to be a psychotic symptom. So crazy depends on the society you find yourself in. Whodathunkit. Psychology ain't no science then, it's just a belief system as arbitrary as the next. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #127 November 10, 2006 QuoteAll that says to me is that you have a good imagination. Religous people look for god in everything they see. If something good happens they attribute it to god, if something bad happens it's gods will. He is punishing me. If you look hard enough you will always find what you are looking for whether it is actually there or not. You know all "religous" people? And you know what they think and what they are doing? Wow! Maybe you are a god? Pretty dang cool you knew what I was thinking and looking for in the Motel room outside Benning. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #128 November 10, 2006 QuotePsychology ain't no science then, it's just a belief system as arbitrary as the next. You have obviously never studied pyschology or that would not be suprise. There as many theories in pyschology as there religions ... well almost. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #129 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf you look hard enough you will always find what you are looking for whether it is actually there or not. And some people can't see what is all around them. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #130 November 10, 2006 Nope. I'm with Ernest Rutherford ~ "All science is either physics or stamp collecting". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #131 November 10, 2006 Nice side stepping the point I was trying to make. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #132 November 10, 2006 REMOVED: I reread your statement. Sorry, I now see you said: All that says to me ... I read your comment too empirically. My bad, you are entitled to your interpretation. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #133 November 10, 2006 QuoteNope. I'm with Ernest Rutherford ~ "All science is either physics or stamp collecting". I'll agree -- but lord, I'm no scientist! steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #134 November 10, 2006 Your right I shouldn't attribute that thinking to all religous people. I should have said that all religous people that I have ever met have exhibited that characteristic. All religous people that I have met have attributed different things they see happen to god. Do you not like to attribute good things that happen to you to your god? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #135 November 10, 2006 Quote Do you not like to attribute good things that happen to you to your god? No, not always. The bible indicates good things happen to "bad" people and bad things happen to "good" people. Here is a good example where Jesus is teaching. The common thought of his day was if something bad happened to you it was because you were bad. he corrected that fallacy. What makes this all the sadder is the book of Job was one of the first Jewish books written and it teaches the same. I guess a few thousand years wasn't enough to "get it." I guess a few years after JC, people still don't "get it.' Luke 13 ... those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #136 November 10, 2006 QuoteNo, not always. Isn't that contradictory? Wouldn't 'sometimes' or 'it depends' be more accurate? Do you attribute everything to gods will? What about when people say god has blessed them for such and such thing? Isn't that attributing such and such to god? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #137 November 10, 2006 QuoteDo you attribute everything to gods will? No, the Bible says it is God's will that no man persish (die spiritually) Obviously we have a choice to live and act outside His will. I also believe in both a perfect will and a permissabe will of God. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #138 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf the voices represent something within a culturally-sanctioned belief system, then generally hearing them is not considered to be a psychotic symptom. I wonder how hearing voices telling you to invade another country fit into that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #139 November 11, 2006 QuoteAll the paths lead to the same summit. Which path is personal preference, and does not affect the ultimate destination. How could they all be true when they contradict each other. Does truth contradict itself? Every major religion in the world except Christianity teaches that you must do something or many things in order to earn your own righteousness or enlightenment. Christianity trumps all others by claiming that you can do nothing in this regard. Righteousness only comes through repentance and faith in the Savior. All other paths definitely lead somewhere but they do not lead to same place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #140 November 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteAll the paths lead to the same summit. Which path is personal preference, and does not affect the ultimate destination. How could they all be true when they contradict each other. Does truth contradict itself? Every major religion in the world except Christianity teaches that you must do something or many things in order to earn your own righteousness or enlightenment. Christianity trumps all others by claiming that you can do nothing in this regard. Righteousness only comes through repentance and faith in the Savior. All other paths definitely lead somewhere but they do not lead to same place. Perhaps you should further study other religions. All the religions of the world have FAR more in common than ways in which they differ. If Christianity works for you, that's great. No one is trying to convince you to denounce your faith. However, Christianity doesn't do anything for the Christian that Buddhism doesn't do for the Buddhist, or that Islam doesn't do for the Muslim, or Judaism doesn't do for the Jew (to name but a few). Are you familiar with the Bible's Tower of Babel metaphor?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #141 November 11, 2006 QuoteEvery major religion in the world except Christianity teaches that you must do something or many things in order to earn your own righteousness or enlightenment. Christianity trumps all others by claiming that you can do nothing in this regard. Righteousness only comes through repentance and faith in the Savior. So other religions place a greater emphasis on being moral than Christianity?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #142 November 11, 2006 QuoteAll that says to me is that you have a good imagination. Religous people look for god in everything they see. If something good happens they attribute it to god, if something bad happens it's gods will. He is punishing me. If you look hard enough you will always find what you are looking for whether it is actually there or not.To what else do you contribute stuff that happens. Good luck, bad luck, fortune, misfortune, destiny, karma, coincidence. Unless you have directly had a hand in bringing something about, there are some situations that are beyond logical explaination. Let me give you a made up scenario which could very well happen. You prepare to go to work. When you try to start the car, the battery is completely dead. You came home the day before, in the rain, during daylight, and forgot to turn off the headlights. So, you put the charger on the battery, and while you are waiting, you are watching the news. There is a horrible accident at a major intersection involving a fuel tanker that happened at the precise time when you are normally at that point in your travel. Once you begin to think about the chain of "coincidence," you have to realize that there was something at work here which you cannot put your finger on. Obviously, there's no scientific explanation for the reason that your life was spared that day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #143 November 11, 2006 Quote Obviously, there's no scientific explanation for the reason that your life was spared that day. in your case, the 'science' is the science of how batteries work - no more or less complicated than that a good study in statistics might do people good. this kind of stuff is terrible for use in justification of faith and actually makes the debator LESS credible I have the hardest time with those "faithful" that try to fake up justifications. Faith (shotgun said it nicely) is belief without proof. When people use weak examples, they don't seem to be able to handle the whole "without proof" part. They have weak faith if they need to do that. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #144 November 11, 2006 QuoteReading all of these posts on politics is starting to give me a headache, so let's talk about something we can all agree on, like religion. As required by Utah law I spent a few years being active in the Mormm church but have since left. I am pretty sure i believe in God but what form he takes and what interest he has in us I don't know. I wonder if i believ in God to make me feel better about the thought of losing family and friends. So what religion are you and why do you believe what you do? p.s. I am sure I left out numerous religions and I apologize religion - Buddhist meaning - I'm going to hell apparently. p.s. apology accepted. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #145 November 11, 2006 QuoteSo, you put the charger on the battery, and while you are waiting, you are watching the news. There is a horrible accident at a major intersection involving a fuel tanker that happened at the precise time when you are normally at that point in your travel. Once you begin to think about the chain of "coincidence," you have to realize that there was something at work here which you cannot put your finger on. Obviously, there's no scientific explanation for the reason that your life was spared that day. And no scientific reason all those other people were killed horribly? (Apart from the chemical formula for oil burning) Shit happens, get used to it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #146 November 12, 2006 QuoteQuote Obviously, there's no scientific explanation for the reason that your life was spared that day. TRUE STORY: My son's piano teacher has a daughter who married a Baptist minister. One day in 1999 they were driving on I94 with their six children when a part fell off an 18 wheeler and punctured the gas tank on their van. The van caught fire and incinerated six of their children (Benjamin Willis, 13; Joseph Willis, 11; Samuel Willis, 9; Hank Willis, 6; Elizabeth Willis, 3, and Peter Willis, 6 weeks) right in front of the parents' eyes. You want to call that evidence of the existence of a loving caring God?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #147 November 12, 2006 Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Obviously, there's no scientific explanation for the reason that your life was spared that day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote who married a Baptist minister. One day in 1999 they were driving on I94 with their six children when a part fell off an 18 wheeler and punctured the gas tank on their van. The van caught fire and incinerated six of their children (Benjamin Willis, 13; Joseph Willis, 11; Samuel Willis, 9; Hank Willis, 6; Elizabeth Willis, 3, and Peter Willis, 6 weeks) right in front of the parents' eyes. You want to call that evidence of the existence of a loving caring God? I remember it very well. It made the national news. I'm sure the parents had a lot of questions, but as I recall, they accepted it as God's will. When your number is up, living in a rubber room isn't going to keep you safe, and the Bible says that your days are numbered. So, if everyone lived a do nothing life, and died in their sleep at the age of 85 plus yrs. would that be evidence? You'd probably find fault with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #148 November 12, 2006 QuoteShit happens, get used to it. That's pretty much the same as saying, "Just my dumb luck." Your still assigning cause and effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #149 November 12, 2006 QuoteTo what else do you contribute stuff that happens. I certainly don't attribute things happening to an imaginary being that watchs down over us and sometimes helps and sometimes doesn't. QuoteGood luck, bad luck, fortune, misfortune, destiny, karma, coincidence. I don't believe in destiny or karma. Your other choices are good descriptors. Sometimes shit happens and sometimes you get lucky. If I don't understand why something happens then I just admit that I don't understand rather then just say this imaginary god person did it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Calvin19 0 #150 November 12, 2006 you guys have NO IDEA how happy i am to see that athiest is the winning category -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Page 6 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Royd 0 #147 November 12, 2006 Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Obviously, there's no scientific explanation for the reason that your life was spared that day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote who married a Baptist minister. One day in 1999 they were driving on I94 with their six children when a part fell off an 18 wheeler and punctured the gas tank on their van. The van caught fire and incinerated six of their children (Benjamin Willis, 13; Joseph Willis, 11; Samuel Willis, 9; Hank Willis, 6; Elizabeth Willis, 3, and Peter Willis, 6 weeks) right in front of the parents' eyes. You want to call that evidence of the existence of a loving caring God? I remember it very well. It made the national news. I'm sure the parents had a lot of questions, but as I recall, they accepted it as God's will. When your number is up, living in a rubber room isn't going to keep you safe, and the Bible says that your days are numbered. So, if everyone lived a do nothing life, and died in their sleep at the age of 85 plus yrs. would that be evidence? You'd probably find fault with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #148 November 12, 2006 QuoteShit happens, get used to it. That's pretty much the same as saying, "Just my dumb luck." Your still assigning cause and effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #149 November 12, 2006 QuoteTo what else do you contribute stuff that happens. I certainly don't attribute things happening to an imaginary being that watchs down over us and sometimes helps and sometimes doesn't. QuoteGood luck, bad luck, fortune, misfortune, destiny, karma, coincidence. I don't believe in destiny or karma. Your other choices are good descriptors. Sometimes shit happens and sometimes you get lucky. If I don't understand why something happens then I just admit that I don't understand rather then just say this imaginary god person did it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #150 November 12, 2006 you guys have NO IDEA how happy i am to see that athiest is the winning category -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
