idrankwhat 0 #51 November 21, 2006 Quote I can list 19 middle easterners, who hijacked four planes, that resulted in the deaths of nearly 3000 people. Which works out to roughly 0.00000105% of the Global Muslim community. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #52 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI constantly hear the statement, "If you don't know your history and learn from your history then you will repeat your history". Would knowing who did what not be considered knowing our history? Would profiling who might do what based on who did what not be learning from our history? I am not saying all people from a group can be judged by the actions of a smaller group within the group. I am saying that all people from a group can be judged in comparison to another group as to who is more likely to commit an action. OK, so Irish Catholics are more likely to be terrorists than arabs, based on numbers killed. No, it is not based on numbers killed. If the percent of Irish Catholics who commit terrorist acts is higher then the percent of Arabs who commit terrorist acts then Irish Catholics are more likely to be terrorists then Arabs. This is basic statistics. OK, So how many arabs have hijacked planes in the US, compared to non-arabs?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #53 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteI constantly hear the statement, "If you don't know your history and learn from your history then you will repeat your history". Would knowing who did what not be considered knowing our history? Would profiling who might do what based on who did what not be learning from our history? I am not saying all people from a group can be judged by the actions of a smaller group within the group. I am saying that all people from a group can be judged in comparison to another group as to who is more likely to commit an action. OK, so Irish Catholics are more likely to be terrorists than arabs, based on numbers killed. Irish Catholics are not more likely to hijack American airplanes and fly them into American buildings with the intent of killing Americans. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #54 November 21, 2006 QuoteIntegration is a 2 way thing. It doesn't mean we have to accept you, it should mean we appreciate each others differences and respect each other. interesting concept - not very PC at all, but interesting...... I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #55 November 21, 2006 QuoteOK, So how many arabs have hijacked planes in the US, compared to non-arabs? Lets change Arabs to Muslims to stay on topic. Not stating that wikipedia is accurate or contains all relevant information but reviewing the list of well-known hijackings on wikipedia shows 4 non-Muslims and 19 Muslims have hijacked planes in the US. The non-Muslim population is approximately 4.5 billion people. So 8.89x10^-8 % of non-Muslims have hijacked US planes. The Muslim population is approximately 1.5 billion people. So 1.27x10^-6 % of Muslims have hijacked US planes. So Muslims are more likely than non-Muslims to hijack planes in the US."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #56 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuote I can list 19 middle easterners, who hijacked four planes, that resulted in the deaths of nearly 3000 people. Which works out to roughly 0.00000105% of the Global Muslim community. If we have a medicine A which has side effects in .00001% of users and medicine B which has side effects in .00005% of users. Even though both percents are small, medicine B is 5x more likely to produce side effects then medicine A. Thus it would be justified to watch users on medicine B more than medicine A."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #57 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteOK, So how many arabs have hijacked planes in the US, compared to non-arabs? Not stating that wikipedia is accurate or contains all relevant information but reviewing the list of well-known hijackings on wikipedia shows 4 non-Arabs and 19 Arabs have hijacked planes in the US. And then there's the number of fatalities caused by hijackings in this country. I'm guessing the Arabs are responsible for over 99% of that figure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #58 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteIntegration is a 2 way thing. It doesn't mean we have to accept you, it should mean we appreciate each others differences and respect each other. interesting concept - not very PC at all, but interesting...... I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter Its quite true and might not be text book politically correct but its what we all need to appreciate to get along. As a 'native countryman' (this sounds bigoted already) in my homeland I should not have to bow down to cultural pressures. For example, stop singing hymns at school because it upsets the muslims and wearing crucifics on TV. Its a Christian country, get over it. You knew that before you came here. They should appreciate that and not demand we change. Succesful integration (in whatever scenario we are talking about) comes from respecting each other and gettin gon with things. If that means we don't rub peoples nose in things then thats fair. It should also mean though, they they be culturally aware of how they're differences may appear to us. It is 2 way. So as we accept there different ways (praying at certain times etc) they should accept ours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #59 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI constantly hear the statement, "If you don't know your history and learn from your history then you will repeat your history". Would knowing who did what not be considered knowing our history? Would profiling who might do what based on who did what not be learning from our history? I am not saying all people from a group can be judged by the actions of a smaller group within the group. I am saying that all people from a group can be judged in comparison to another group as to who is more likely to commit an action. OK, so Irish Catholics are more likely to be terrorists than arabs, based on numbers killed. Not in this country. Kudos on the dead queen bit of trollery. I look forward to the introduction of Stalin and Mao into this thread. Funny how people don't like to remember the dark parts of their own history. They call it "out of context" or "trolling". I call it hypocrisy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #60 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI constantly hear the statement, "If you don't know your history and learn from your history then you will repeat your history". Would knowing who did what not be considered knowing our history? Would profiling who might do what based on who did what not be learning from our history? I am not saying all people from a group can be judged by the actions of a smaller group within the group. I am saying that all people from a group can be judged in comparison to another group as to who is more likely to commit an action. OK, so Irish Catholics are more likely to be terrorists than arabs, based on numbers killed. Not in this country. Kudos on the dead queen bit of trollery. I look forward to the introduction of Stalin and Mao into this thread. Funny how people don't like to remember the dark parts of their own history. They call it "out of context" or "trolling". I call it hypocrisy. It isn't that we don't like to remember the dark parts of our history, it is that the dark parts of our history don't apply to the context of the debate. It does not matter who killed however many people in the dark ages when we are discussing who is most likely to hijack an airplane."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #61 November 21, 2006 <> So, do the killers still have to be alive to be relevant in this thread? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #62 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I can list 19 middle easterners, who hijacked four planes, that resulted in the deaths of nearly 3000 people. Which works out to roughly 0.00000105% of the Global Muslim community. If we have a medicine A which has side effects in .00001% of users and medicine B which has side effects in .00005% of users. Even though both percents are small, medicine B is 5x more likely to produce side effects then medicine A. Thus it would be justified to watch users on medicine B more than medicine A. Or you could just get some of your 3500 lobbyists to finance the election of people who will appoint the "right" people to the FDA, thereby making it possible to market both drugs and bury the studies that show the percentage of people likely to be affected. Hmmmm....so basically the Muslim community needs more influential lobbyists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #63 November 21, 2006 QuoteSuccesful integration (in whatever scenario we are talking about) comes from respecting each other and .... unfortunately, Political Correctness is abused to now mean people can do very unrespectful things to each other and feel justified in doing it. It's a pure license for self righteousness in very subjective areas ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #64 November 21, 2006 Quote<> So, do the killers still have to be alive to be relevant in this thread? No, but the context of the thread involves airplanes so individuals whose actions did not involve airplanes are irrelevant."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #65 November 21, 2006 Quote And then there's the number of fatalities caused by hijackings in this country. I'm guessing the Arabs are responsible for over 99% of that figure. Why are we letting the debate narrow down to hijacking? What about anthrax? Truck bombs? Hell, flu for that matter. Kills ten times more people per year than 9/11 did. Where does homeland security stand on "Purel"? Shouldn't they be handing that stuff out at airports and subways? No wait, that would be welfare. Nevermind. Besides, I really don't care. I'm on vacation!! Have fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #66 November 21, 2006 QuoteSo, do the killers still have to be alive to be relevant in this thread? if 5 zombies get on my plane, I'm going to complain to the pilot - they have no idea how to operate the emergency exits, assist the small child next to them with the oxygen mask, or even remember to put their chair upright on takeoff and landing. {{mutter}} stupid, rude zombies think they're so great ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #67 November 21, 2006 QuoteWhy are we letting the debate narrow down to hijacking? Because the context of this discussion is about the removal of Muslims from an airplane. Quoteif 5 zombies get on my plane, I'm going to complain to the pilot - they have no idea how to operate the emergency exits, assist the small child next to them with the oxygen mask, or even remember to put their chair upright on takeoff and landing. I just hate how you always wake up with them nibbling at your arm. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #68 November 21, 2006 A little bit of forethought on the part of the Imams might have prevented this. While the airline over-reacted, these guys might have considered that all things considered discretion might have been in order .I am not saying that is right, I am just saying that sometimes you need to ask yourself if it is worth the trouble. That said, unless there is more to the story, taking them away in hancuffs, just reinforces the preachings of some of the clowns who like to preach that the west seeks to oppress muslims. The airline could have handled it better. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #69 November 21, 2006 Quote So all Muslims should be treated the same because a handfull commited atrocious acts on 11/9? Absolutely not. But, ALL Muslims should respect the sensitivity of these situation. We shouldn't have to be the only ones expected to be sensitive to others feelings.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #70 November 21, 2006 Quote You might want to research who pulled off the 2004 bombings that downed two airliners in Russia. If you still have the references, why don't you share it with us?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #71 November 21, 2006 QuoteA little bit of forethought on the part of the Imams might have prevented this. While the airline over-reacted, these guys might have considered that all things considered discretion might have been in order .I am not saying that is right, I am just saying that sometimes you need to ask yourself if it is worth the trouble. That said, unless there is more to the story, taking them away in hancuffs, just reinforces the preachings of some of the clowns who like to preach that the west seeks to oppress muslims. The airline could have handled it better. Richards According to the news stories (which aren't always accurate or containing all information) the Imams were asked to exit the aircraft but refused at which time security became involved and then the Imams were handcuffed. If these events are correct then handcuffing the Imams was the proper way to handle the situation at that point."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #72 November 21, 2006 Quote if they showed the same outrage for someone commiting terrorist acts in the name of islam as they showed for a picture of mohammed or towards the pope for quoting an ancient text, maybe this sort of shit wouldn't happen. Very well put.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #73 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuote if they showed the same outrage for someone commiting terrorist acts in the name of islam as they showed for a picture of mohammed or towards the pope for quoting an ancient text, maybe this sort of shit wouldn't happen. Very well put. If EVERYONE showed more consideration for others the world would be a nicer place.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #74 November 21, 2006 QuoteIf EVERYONE showed more consideration for others the world would be a nicer place. left wing values and political correctness precludes consideration of others and promotes the opposite though (there, that's general enough to take in various directions) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #75 November 21, 2006 This thread is really starting to piss me off. When's the last time a Baptist church was allowed to open in Saudi Arabia? How about a Methodist church? Catholic? How about Shiite? Which religion is preaching, AND FUNDING, more hatred than any other on this planet? My understanding is it's a Saudi based religion. We're in a fucking culture clash, and as a rule the US can't see that because we think the world is full of rational people. Hey folks! The mongrel horde is here!We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
