Butters 0 #126 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But you aren't taking into account history. Christians have not commited a terrorist act invovling the hijacking of Arab airplanes and crashing them into Arab buildings in an attempt to kill Arab people. Don't need to, we've killed tens of thousands by invading their country and dropping bombs on them. But we haven't killed tens of thousands by hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings (hence the context which you refuse to take into account). So killing them our way is acceptable, but their killing us their way is unacceptable? Should Arabs be afraid to be on a plane with Americans because we have killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated)? No, because we haven't killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated) using a plane (hence the context which you refuse to take into account)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #127 November 21, 2006 Quote if everyone smoke a joint and got laid 3 times a day the world would be a much nicer place, but it just isn't going to happen. Speak for yourself We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #128 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But you aren't taking into account history. Christians have not commited a terrorist act invovling the hijacking of Arab airplanes and crashing them into Arab buildings in an attempt to kill Arab people. Don't need to, we've killed tens of thousands by invading their country and dropping bombs on them. But we haven't killed tens of thousands by hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings (hence the context which you refuse to take into account). So killing them our way is acceptable, but their killing us their way is unacceptable? If this is their way of killing us, as you claim, then you must support banning all Muslims from US Airlines. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #129 November 21, 2006 >Should Arabs be afraid to be on a plane with Americans because >we have killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated)? No, > because we haven't killed tens of thousands of them (as you have > stated) using a plane. Should americans be afraid to be on a plane with arabs because al qaeda killed 3000 americans? No, because arabs do not equal al qaeda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #130 November 21, 2006 Quote>Should Arabs be afraid to be on a plane with Americans because >we have killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated)? No, > because we haven't killed tens of thousands of them (as you have > stated) using a plane. Should americans be afraid to be on a plane with arabs because al qaeda killed 3000 americans? No, because arabs do not equal al qaeda. Agreed."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #131 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteBut we haven't killed tens of thousands by hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings Total death count was less then 2500 on 9/11. More people are killed then that every month in alcohol related motor vechicle accidents. I'm not sure where you got your tens of thousands of people figure at. Not directed at you Phree> And how many have died in Iraq since this ill plotted crusade by Bush and Co.? Anybody have a true body count?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #132 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuote>Imagine that. Again, let's reverse that. ----------------- Pat Hogan, spokesman for the Metropolitan Airports Commission, said that witnesses to Monday's events told police that before the flight that besides praying, the church group was spouting pro-christian rhetoric, talking about the war in Iraq and the Pope's comments on the war. One of the priests was heard saying that he would do whatever is necessary to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, witnesses told police, Hogan said. Other witnesses said some of the priests were repeating "God be with you" he said. And a couple of the priests asked for pillows and blankets, even though it did not appear they were tired, Hogan said. Several even carried small, sharp crucifixes on chains around their necks. All of this made passengers, the attendants and the pilot uncomfortable, Hogan said. As a result, the pilot called police to have the priests escorted from plane. Airlines have the right not to allow passengers on a plane, Hogan said. -------------- OK or not to deny such people boarding? (though I agree it's within the airline's rights) But you aren't taking into account history. Christians have not commited a terrorist act invovling the hijacking of Arab airplanes and crashing them into Arab buildings in an attempt to kill Arab people. If the situation was reversed then I would be ok with such people being asked to exit the plane (if they were first asked to stop what they were doing and did not). No we just bomb the fuck out of anyone we wish to test our new weapons systems on. Oh. I fogot about all the innocents killed. Just COLLATERAL DAMAGE. My badI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #133 November 21, 2006 QuoteWould you be willing to not speak english on a flight to Saudi Arabia, because arabs are made nervous by the people who have recently killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs?I just saw one of them on the news. He claims to be a US citizen and spoke fluent English. These men probably planned this move from the beginning. They could have gone into the toilet and prayed one at a time. I'm sure that Allah would have overlooked not following ritual to the letter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #134 November 21, 2006 QuoteDon't need to, we've killed tens of thousands by invading their country and dropping bombs on them. Good reason for Arab countries to not start wars they can't win, and to comply with the cease fire agreements that allow them to stay in power after losing said wars.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #135 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhen was the last time someone was hurt or killed by a prayer? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12467604/?GT1=7938 LOL. good oneI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #136 November 22, 2006 >These men probably planned this move from the beginning. They >could have gone into the toilet and prayed one at a time. I'm sure >that Allah would have overlooked not following ritual to the letter. Cool! Can we make the blacks go into the bathroom when they pray, too? They might scare someone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #137 November 22, 2006 >Good reason for Arab countries to not start wars they can't win . . . We're re-learning the same lesson now, unfortunately. You'd think once (or twice) would be enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #138 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteWould you be willing to not speak english on a flight to Saudi Arabia, because arabs are made nervous by the people who have recently killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs?I just saw one of them on the news. He claims to be a US citizen and spoke fluent English. These men probably planned this move from the beginning. They could have gone into the toilet and prayed one at a time. I'm sure that Allah would have overlooked not following ritual to the letter. And Rosa Parks could have walked to the back of the bus like a good little Negro. Are you honestly suggesting that an American citizen (who speaks fluent English) should have to wait for an available shitter in order to pray? And would this apply to all American citizens, or just the ones who worship an inferior god? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #139 November 22, 2006 If they were terrorists, of course it would be stupid to do something that is so likely to get you extra scrutiny, so they are likely really ignorant of how to get through American airports, or don't mind having something to complain about. I think it likely they would have received the same attention at an airport in the UK, for instance. I think there are other ways that people are stupid for making themselves the subject of extra scrutiny. Carrying around a rig on your back without it being in a bag is a good example. Both praying and carrying a rig around for all to see are allowed, but really stupid if you don't want to get some nervous nellie all worked up and avoid extra scrutiny.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #140 November 22, 2006 Quote Should Arabs be afraid to be on a plane with Americans because we have killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated)? No, because we haven't killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated) using a plane (hence the context which you refuse to take into account). I bet we've killed more than a few of them with guns though. Should Arabs be afraid to be in any part of the country that allows guns? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #141 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuote Should Arabs be afraid to be on a plane with Americans because we have killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated)? No, because we haven't killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated) using a plane (hence the context which you refuse to take into account). I bet we've killed more than a few of them with guns though. Should Arabs be afraid to be in any part of the country that allows guns? Blues, Dave Yes they should. I don't think it would be a good idea to walk into a bar in Alabama and start praying. That would just be asking for trouble in the same way as praying and making anti-American statements in an airport would be. Would you walk through Watts or Harlem wearing a sheet and white dunce hat? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #142 November 22, 2006 QuoteSo all Muslims should be treated the same because a handfull commited atrocious acts on 11/9? No, only the ones that do stupid things on airplanes. They aren't guilty of "flying while Muslim", they're guilty of "flying while stupid". I would want the same treatment for a group of Christians that would be stupid enough to stand up and start praying. That would make me very suspicious, and I would want them removed for further scrutiny. What did they expect, nobody to notice, perhaps they thought the rest of the passengers would find it deeply touching, and all say, "ahh, isn't that precous"? I've never heard of Muslims praying in such a way on passenger airliners. I say bullshit, it is their way of causing trouble on purpose for attention, and if not, tough shit anyway. I feel it is reasonable to suspect that a group that starts praying in such a way should be the subject of immediate attention. There is no constitutional right to travel on commercial airliners, especially while stupid.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #143 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Should Arabs be afraid to be on a plane with Americans because we have killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated)? No, because we haven't killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated) using a plane (hence the context which you refuse to take into account). I bet we've killed more than a few of them with guns though. Should Arabs be afraid to be in any part of the country that allows guns? Blues, Dave Yes they should. I don't think it would be a good idea to walk into a bar in Alabama and start praying. That would just be asking for trouble in the same way as praying and making anti-American statements in an airport would be. Would you walk through Watts or Harlem wearing a sheet and white dunce hat? - Now, that is a good analogy. I don't say that very often. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #144 November 22, 2006 Quote>In practical terms, I say fuck 'em. Let them get over it. Take the opposite case. A nervous woman pulls out a rosary during takeoff and starts praying. She is arrested after the plane lands for disobeying a flight attendant's instructions to "stow all carry-on items." Fuck her, too? That is a lousy analogy.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #145 November 22, 2006 >That is a lousy analogy. Of course. It involves discrimination against "us" - and that's nothing at all like discrimination against "them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #146 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Should Arabs be afraid to be on a plane with Americans because we have killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated)? No, because we haven't killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated) using a plane (hence the context which you refuse to take into account). I bet we've killed more than a few of them with guns though. Should Arabs be afraid to be in any part of the country that allows guns? Blues, Dave Yes they should. I don't think it would be a good idea to walk into a bar in Alabama and start praying. Apparently you don't think very highly of my countrymen, Alabamans in particular. Perhaps the unbigoted people with whom I associate are a distinct minority. I hope not. QuoteThat would just be asking for trouble in the same way as praying and making anti-American statements in an airport would be. Would you walk through Watts or Harlem wearing a sheet and white dunce hat? That is not a valid comparison. A sheet and a white dunce cap is a symbol of bigotry, hate, and ill will, especially toward blacks. I would hope that even so, the residents would recognize it as an idiotic expression of free speech, but I'm not so foolish as to believe that would be the case. Still, a prayer is not a symbol of bigotry and hate. I have not heard what they were saying that was so "anti-American", so I can't really opine on whether it was merely dissent or a message of hate. I've not heard anything that suggested it was threatening, or that in any way connected them with a violent hate group the way a KKK dress would. It is possible though, and if there was reason to suspect imminent harm, a violent reaction would be justified. If it were just general hatred, a violent reaction should be expected, but also just as illegal as blacks assaulting a sheet-clad person solely for his poor choice in attire. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #147 November 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Should Arabs be afraid to be on a plane with Americans because we have killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated)? No, because we haven't killed tens of thousands of them (as you have stated) using a plane (hence the context which you refuse to take into account). I bet we've killed more than a few of them with guns though. Should Arabs be afraid to be in any part of the country that allows guns? Blues, Dave Yes they should. I don't think it would be a good idea to walk into a bar in Alabama and start praying. That would just be asking for trouble in the same way as praying and making anti-American statements in an airport would be. Would you walk through Watts or Harlem wearing a sheet and white dunce hat? - Now, that is a good analogy. I don't say that very often. No, it's crappy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #148 November 22, 2006 Quote>That is a lousy analogy. Of course. It involves discrimination against "us" - and that's nothing at all like discrimination against "them." If the FA told her to stow her rosary, she has to obey or run the risk of arrest. I doubt she would be asked that, though. I agree that your analogy seems rather obtuse. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #149 November 22, 2006 QuoteCool! Can we make the blacks go into the bathroom when they pray, too? They might scare someone.Please explain. I've never seen blacks, err, African Americans, making a scene praying on an airplane. The closest thing that I've seen was some Indian girl who had some kind of good luck beads in a bag, which she kept rubbing. That got pretty annoying. She was easy to look at, so she gets a pass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #150 November 22, 2006 QuoteQueen Isabella of Castile (Roman Catholic) caused the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people. Mary Tudor (Bloody Mary, Roman Catholic) had over 300 protestants burned at the stake. Ah, yes, in the early years of the sixteenth centry, to combat the rising tide of religious unorthodoxy, the pope gave Cardinal Ximinez of Spain leave to move without let of hindrance throughout the land, in a reign of violence, terror and torture that makes a smashing film. This was the Spanish Inquisition, SO WHAT? You are obviously implying that when considering the atrocities of Islamofacists, one should remember the atrocities of Christianfacists from hundreds of years ago. Therefore the acts of the Islamofacists are not to be considered, well, quite so atrocious. Of course you don't say that explicitly, but the implication is clear. I reject that implication with predudice.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
