Cops are such hereos

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You shoot at a cop, you take your chances.

So. How do you know they were cops? Fuckin assholes. I'd shoot em too they come kickin my door down

Yea, I agree. Knock and announce:

- How loud was the announce?

- How loud was teh knock?

- How much time elapsed between knock, announce and then the kick?

So man questions, but if I were startled I would be capping asses too.

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In these days of recording devices, why not have it recorded audiovisually? It is well known that cellphone cameras and vid cams are teh enemies of cops.

Who says it wasn't recording in some manner. Roughly 90% of what officers do now days is recorded by them. The in car cameras were initially used for demographic tracking of traffic stops to prevent profiling, but now days officers tend to use it to record whats going on to protect themselves even outside of traffic stops.

Surprisingly enough people lie to the police all the time and people file false complaints all the time as well. Without it being recorded its word against word. Officers have gotten in trouble as well as had careers ended due to false complaints in the past. Thusly, officers tend to record most of what they do now to protect themselves.

Video cameras aren't the enemy of officers, video and audio recordings are viewed as a bonus, a positive.

(the "surprisingly enough" is sarcasm, for those who may have missed it)

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Who says it wasn't recording in some manner.

If it was, and it was by the cops, it will be destroyed.

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Roughly 90% of what officers do now days is recorded by them.

Bad boys, bad boys.... oh, I was just watching Cops too. I like that episode, how bout you?

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Surprisingly enough people lie to the police all the time and people file false complaints all the time as well. Without it being recorded its word against word.

And if it goes b4 a judge, who does the judge believe? It's NOT word/word.

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Officers have gotten in trouble as well as had careers ended due to false complaints in the past.

Ya, hell, cops smoke people and they get away with it, now u want me to believe tey get fired over lying or lying witnesses?

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Video cameras aren't the enemy of officers, video and audio recordings are viewed as a bonus, a positive.

According to a teacher who was also a cop, he said they were.

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- How much time elapsed between knock, announce and then the kick?

You only need to watch the myriad COPS shows to see how long that REALLY is...

and for a 92 year old woman... who probably does not have good hearing...but lives in a bad neighborhood...... interesting she was sitting there with her gun now isnt it...tell you a lot.. I wonder if these cops are high fiving each other after this .

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By the way over here if you do put someones door in and don't find anything, the police have to pay for the repairs.

I've heard rumors you are a fairly civilized bunch over on that side of the pond.

Absolutely. We all carry guns, our cops are given so much lattitude that the few clean ones often turn dirty, and now we kill ond ladies on botched warrants.

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Well there is a reason why they called the Colt "the equalizer", because it made all men and women of all ages and strength equal. So how would you respond to being hit by a bullet, that hits just as hard whether by a 25yr old 200lb male or a 100lb 85yrs old? I think your rant should be about who gave the police bad information. We dont live in a perfect society. How many successful skydives a year, but which jumps make the news??? you got it.
So I guess if your in the middle of getting mugged, the officer shouldnt step in because maybe you started it. There was a guy who got chokeholded in a store and didnt make it back in Portland years ago..they got there not knowing they were choking the hero citizen not the robber. Shit happens, welcome to utopia.

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I think your rant should be about who gave the police bad information.

SO if someone told you to pack a different way, you did and you had a reserve ride or a double mal, it would be the fault of teh guy who told you? You have final discretion, just as the cops and the judge who issued the warrant did?

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How many successful skydives a year, but which jumps make the news??? you got it.

How many of the botched skydives involve the egregious action of someone other than the skydiver? You got it?

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So I guess if your in the middle of getting mugged, the officer shouldnt step in because maybe you started it. There was a guy who got chokeholded in a store and didnt make it back in Portland years ago..they got there not knowing they were choking the hero citizen not the robber. Shit happens, welcome to utopia.

As compared to overzealously pursuing a warrant like a bunch of dogs in heat? No comparrison.

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The fault wasn't in the police department's operational execution, nor her reaction. The fault was in the intel phase.

That's probably fair. The intel phase includes swearing a statement, establishing the credibility of the witness(es), and the judge's discretion. The execution phase could be blamed in part, maybe, but we would have to examine the circumstances and evidence.

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I believe, I'd be 'prepared' to shoot till I found-out for sure whether or not they are in fact, police officers. Are you willing to take the chance that it's NOT a police officer and just shoot?


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Unfortuantley we would have to put that on your headstone: He waited to ensure it wasn;t the cops until it became painfully obvious it was home invaders. RIP.

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Roughly 90% of what officers do now days is recorded by them.

I seriously doubt this. Cite please.

He watches Cops a lot

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How many of the botched skydives involve the egregious action of someone other than the skydiver? You got it?

I can think of two separate fatalities that both involved significant (jump plane) pilot error, by the same pilot. I was on the load and witness to the pilot error on one of these occasions.

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I got ahead of myself and missed the part where she died. Warrants state 'particular' parties at a residence or business, whatever. NOT every occupant. As to how long between the announcement by the officers they were there and when the door got kicked-in well, we'd have to have been there. All we have to go by is what the press puts in their newspaper.
You know as well as I do, the cops don't 'just blow old ladies apart'. C'mon dude... gimme a break. You and I have been down this road before. Lively little thread, though.


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Warrants state 'particular' parties at a residence or business, whatever. NOT every occupant.

What's to be searched for, where, etc. If you;re looking for TV's, you can't look in drawers. Of course they do and say it was left in plain view and admit it.

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As to how long between the announcement by the officers they were there and when the door got kicked-in well, we'd have to have been there. All we have to go by is what the press puts in their newspaper.

Yep and what the cops say. There may have been witnesses there too.

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You know as well as I do, the cops don't 'just blow old ladies apart'. C'mon dude... gimme a break. You and I have been down this road before. Lively little thread, though.

The cops are self-serving; they will lie to defend each otehr to the end of time. Honorable on one end, disgusting in that it's criminal.

As for the same road, last time we were here you went back and deleted your posts as I established that cops in some states can hold you down and forcibly draw blood on a DUI stop.

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Uhhh... she's dead.

Sounds like there is probably more to this story. On another note, no plainclothes offiers should be serving warrants or forcing entry. What's stopping crooks from saying "open up, police!"

Some dude in plain clothes busts down my door for no good reason is going to get shot too.

and that would be well within your contitutional rights.

not that i agree with them but it would be!

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The fault wasn't in the police department's operational execution, nor her reaction. The fault was in the intel phase.

Just to throw the thread off on a tangent. Kinda like the intell on Iraq eh?

Great point, didn't think of that one. We do that Imperialistically and as well as domestically. When all falls to fuck at the end, blame the people in the front of the line.

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They were justified. Someone shot at them...they shoot back (no brainer!). Of course they should apologize, they fucked up and someone died. They fucked up, like has been pointed out, before they ever arrived, but someone died and three cops got shot. Looks like the war on drugs has produced more collateral damage.

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They were justified. Someone shot at them...they shoot back (no brainer!).

I wish the law was this simple. There are so many questions:

- The basis of teh warrant
- The seving of the warrant
- Who actually shot first

So many more.

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Of course they should apologize, they fucked up and someone died. They fucked up, like has been pointed out, before they ever arrived, but someone died and three cops got shot. Looks like the war on drugs has produced more collateral damage.

Tell me you're fucking joking? If this was your grandma you would want nothing less than a pound of flesh.

Oh, gee, I'm sorry, look at the bright side, there will be extra helpings for Thanksgiving. sorry???? WTF

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Cops are inherent liars

And you know this, how, exactly?

I'm asserting my opinion, don't like it, ask me if I care

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They were justified. Someone shot at them...they shoot back (no brainer!). Of course they should apologize, they fucked up and someone died. They fucked up, like has been pointed out, before they ever arrived, but someone died and three cops got shot. Looks like the war on drugs has produced more collateral damage.

I don't know if it was them or the elderly lady who fucked up, but I still agree with your post.

Blues,
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Unless it was someone you loved.

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So. How do you know they were cops?***

According to the news report they announced it before they kicked the door in.

Fuckin assholes. I'd shoot em too they come kickin my door down

Then I expect to read the same kind of news report after you shoot at them. Dont be surprised when you get a round to the chest.

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According to the news report they announced it before they kicked the door in.

The SCOYUS says 20 seconds is required, do we know how much time elapsed?

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Then I expect to read the same kind of news report after you shoot at them. Dont be surprised when you get a round to the chest.

If a 92YO lady can do that, I imagine a young, healthy guy could do much more if startled w/o the requisit 20 seconds.

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So. How do you know they were cops?***

According to the news report they announced it before they kicked the door in.

Fuckin assholes. I'd shoot em too they come kickin my door down

Then I expect to read the same kind of news report after you shoot at them. Dont be surprised when you get a round to the chest.

Hey bro or whomeverthe fuck you are. I couldn't give a flying fuck whenever I die. This nazi racist pig shit has to stop. So they were dealing drugs maybe. You gonna shoot someone to keep em from flushing dope down the toliet. A BIG FUCK YOU. Come kick my door in and see what you get. I'll even give you my address. Asshole

This is what I'm saying, is it worth a few drug busts to nazi the place up? Drug usage is maintaining or increasing, they're not going to stop it. This is a case of the courts running wild and allowing the cops to murder and brutalize.

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So. How do you know they were cops?***

According to the news report they announced it before they kicked the door in.

Fuckin assholes. I'd shoot em too they come kickin my door down

Then I expect to read the same kind of news report after you shoot at them. Dont be surprised when you get a round to the chest.

Hey bro or whomeverthe fuck you are. I couldn't give a flying fuck whenever I die. This nazi racist pig shit has to stop. So they were dealing drugs maybe. You gonna shoot someone to keep em from flushing dope down the toliet. A BIG FUCK YOU. Come kick my door in and see what you get. I'll even give you my address. Asshole

They'd love you on Death Row, which is where cop-killers belong.

If the cops failed to follow SCOTUS rules, the killing of a cop could easily fall under justified homicide or self-defense affirmative defenses.

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So. How do you know they were cops?***

According to the news report they announced it before they kicked the door in.

Fuckin assholes. I'd shoot em too they come kickin my door down

Then I expect to read the same kind of news report after you shoot at them. Dont be surprised when you get a round to the chest.

Hey bro or whomeverthe fuck you are. I couldn't give a flying fuck whenever I die. This nazi racist pig shit has to stop. So they were dealing drugs maybe. You gonna shoot someone to keep em from flushing dope down the toliet. A BIG FUCK YOU. Come kick my door in and see what you get. I'll even give you my address. Asshole

They'd love you on Death Row, which is where cop-killers belong.

No. Me thinks the killing cops belong on death row

No, they're excused under Teh Good Faith Exception.

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Wow... this takes post whoring to a whole new level

What is this good faith exception? Is that basically if the officers believe what they did was reasonable and neccesary and the courts agree then its OK?

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You gonna shoot someone to keep em from flushing dope down the toliet.

No, but when 3 cops get shot coming through the door I have no sympathy for whoever it is doing the shooting.

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Come kick my door in and see what you get. I'll even give you my address. Asshole

OOOOOH! Everybody look out! .Com Rambo on the prawl.

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No, but when 3 cops get shot coming through the door I have no sympathy for whoever it is doing the shooting.

What if a reasonable person would be startled and shot at the intruders who ended up being cops? This is why the 20-second rule, but it could also be imposters. I think the cops should be required to park their vehicles out front and wear uniforms so teh chance of an imtruder is slim. If you get light sin your rear, you can call 911 and tell them you want to drive to teh police station to be sure it is a cop, here we don;t have that luxury. We can't shoot cops, but on the other end, the cops have to be fair and make us certain it is them when they enter.

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Lucky, can you confirm where your from please. Might help clear some legal confusions I'm having

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Gee I hope none of the guys here who are so staunch in their rights to own and bear arms ever tries to defend THEIR home from a bunch of people who are breaking down their door...

Read the article... it was the wrong house...hope it never happens to you.


But in this atmosphere of the government is inherantly right and the rest of us are all against them.. or terrorists....then this is the inevitable outcome of a fascist government.

100% right on.

Funny how the same people who are consevative pro-gunners are the ones denouncing the actions of a startled person who has her door kicked in.

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They'd love you on Death Row, which is where cop-killers belong.

It is a lack of justice that allows cop killers (assuming the killing happened during the commission of a crime, and not in a premeditated manner) to be charged with first degree murder. What makes a cop's life more valuable than a regular civilian's? If a civilian is killed in such a manner, it is second degree murder. Cops shouldn't be special. If anything is different, the charges should be reduced, not increased, since the cops are armed and trained.

Any cop that doesn't realize that policing can be a dangerous job before joining a police force is quite simply too stupid to hold the position anyway. Suck it up and drive on, or find a new line of work. But please don't bitch about how dangerous the job is.

As for video recordings, I know of at least one Drug War freedom fighter who has remained a free man because he records all his interactions with the police. Such recording devices help keep citizens free in a police state.

For those wondering, the overwhelming majority of my interactions with the police have been negative. I have, however, met some very humble foreign police officers.

Yep, but look at the REAL police function. Cops are the Kings henchmen, they defend the gold. As much as the courts want to hold cops to a reasonable standard, they know they need these cops on their side in the case of civil uprising, so they allow a LOT of lattitude.

Just think, if a cop commits a crime, the courts are left with a predicament: do we convict or exonerate? If tehy convict, justice will be done, but the other cops will realize that government isn't their buddy. IF they exonerate, justice will have be spat upon, but they will have the adoration of all remaining cops.

A good example of this is with a matter that happened here years ago. The cops set up a Toy-for-Tots drop-off point, a local cop stole ~5k worth, found them in his garage, the reaction from his cop dept was nothing, but the state certifying agency revoked his cert, so he could no longer be a cop in the state.

So the end result was that a crooked cop was removed, and the remaining cops realized they still had criminal immunity. Justice was punched in the face, but so what, the syetem keeps rolling.

The "system" wants this line between the cops and the people and it is willing to jail and even fry a few innocent people to maintain this balance. It is also willing to excuse dirty cops, even murdering ones.

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The last part, it would only matter if they were told of the age of teh occupant, as they could assume the senses would be off and perhaps she could have had dimmentia.

With regards to executing the warrant, yeah I'd agree to you, but with regardings to her shooting through her front door like a loon her bullets don't hurt any less because shes old and senile. Officers on the ground did the right thing I believe. I agree wiith whoever said the error was higher up Intel)

Well, we don't know all the facts, but it smells from all angles. Judges have gotten used to rubber-stamping warrant requests. Maybe if whom ever failed were fired and maybe more these people in charge would think twice and investigate themselves. Instead we white wash it and it keeps happening. These incidents should make us question the kind of country we live in.