Darius11 12 #76 December 5, 2006 QuoteYou assume I'm on the right, hmmmm Isn't using the term "they" like using the term "those people"........... No matter what type of person you are or what group right, left, green, blue........ Whatever. The most important document in the United States of America is the constitution. The constitution is not just a set of rules but what America is and has been since the start. It is the reason people have migrated to this country and call it home. It is the reason your ancestors (if you are not Native American) came to this country. I don’t see why more people are not outraged. I can’t see how some have no issue standing by watching the constitution get raped. I don’t get it. “We have nothing to fear but fear it self”. I wish people would remember those words, as we are a nation who is suffering from Paranoia. Our Paranoia is allowing us to stand by and watch a few mislead people change what this country is all about.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #77 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteTo sum it up... We've had occassional abuses of the Patriot Act and the NSA has some serious explaning to do about bypassing FISA requirements. Most of the other stuff we hear about "taking away our civil rights" and destroying the Constitution" is basic fear mongering. I'm scared. Which of the ten amendments has NOT (yet) been under attack from this administration? The 3rd, maybe. Skirting around the BoR and coming up with ingenious stratagems for avoiding its requirements is hardly the hallmark of an administration with any respect for th Constitution. Which Amendments of the Bill of Rights have been destroyed by Bush and Co.? How so? The right to representation, the right to a speedy and fair trial, to not be held without charge.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #78 December 5, 2006 Tell me how this "raping" of the Constitution has been taking place. Are there concentration camps anywhere near you. Are goon-squads (guys like me) rounding you or anyone you know up for re-education. Talk about fear mongering, the Constitution hasn't been raped. Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. Prudent planning given our current situation: WARTIME means pushing the envelope to certain degree. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #79 December 5, 2006 QuoteThe right to representation, the right to a speedy and fair trial, to not be held without charge. Does this apply to everyone? Or just alien, enemy combatants? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #80 December 5, 2006 >Tell me how this "raping" of the Constitution has been taking place. One example - Constitution: "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." Recent law passed: "no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination." >Are there concentration camps anywhere near you. No, they're in Guantanamo, Iraq and Europe. Google "secret CIA prisons." >Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. Right! And we can trust the government to keep an eye on things, even though they now do it in secret (because telling people would be a "breach of national security.") >Prudent planning given our current situation: WARTIME means >pushing the envelope to certain degree. This is no more a war than the War on Drugs is a war. We could pull our troops out at any time and not affect our national security one bit. They are there because we want to build a country we like in the Middle East, not because we are defending ourselves from anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #81 December 5, 2006 Quote This is no more a war than the War on Drugs is a war. Absolutely true Quote We could pull our troops out at any time and not affect our national security one bit. Pulling our troops out of Iraq would improve our national security - Putting them there in the first place was bad for our national security. We should not have lost focus on AQ and the Taliban. Quote They are there because we want to build a country we like in the Middle East, not because we are defending ourselves from anything. Absolutely correct.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #82 December 5, 2006 Here I go away from my desk for a while, and you guys make all my points. Thought plagiarists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #83 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe right to representation, the right to a speedy and fair trial, to not be held without charge. QuoteDoes this apply to everyone? Yes Including Born US citizens. Quote Or just alien, enemy combatants? The Point is any one can be named an enemy combatant and since they no longer have tohave a speedy trail or to charge the person who is held there is no need for evidence. Here is a quote from the artical QuoteMr. Padilla was added as a defendant in a terrorism conspiracy case already under way in Miami. The strong public accusations made during his military detention — about the dirty bomb, Al Qaeda connections and supposed plans to set off natural gas explosions in apartment buildings — appear nowhere in the indictment against him. The indictment does not allege any specific violent plot against America. The point is it leaves no avenue for the person who is accused to defend him/her self. So the government can imprison ANYONE it wishes and throw away the key.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #84 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. NOT www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm That still doesn't compare him to other wartime presidents and it doesn't specifically mention approval rating on wartime civil liberties. As for some of the other things he does, like border security and spending, I don't agree.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #85 December 5, 2006 Quote Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. No, there hasn't. Hopefully that will change in January. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #86 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. NOT www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm That still doesn't compare him to other wartime presidents and it doesn't specifically mention approval rating on wartime civil liberties. As for some of the other things he does, like border security and spending, I don't agree. Roosevelt won 53% of the vote in 1944: higher than Bush's current approval rating. And a majority of Americans apparently do NOT think Bush is doing fine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #87 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuote Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. No, there hasn't. Hopefully that will change in January.That's what's so great about living in the United States. There will be change. Historically, both parties have provided watime national security.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #88 December 5, 2006 Pertaing to the loss of civil liberties under Roosevelt, I think Bush is a lightweight.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #89 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. No, there hasn't. Hopefully that will change in January.That's what's so great about living in the United States. There will be change. Historically, both parties have provided watime national security. Unfortunately we can't afford to secure our nation, container inspections etc., because we've blown all of our resources in an unrelated nation building exercise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #90 December 5, 2006 QuotePertaing to the loss of civil liberties under Roosevelt, I think Bush is a lightweight. Well, there was a DECLARED war for much of Roosevelt's presidency.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #91 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuote This is no more a war than the War on Drugs is a war. Absolutely true How many US soldiers have died in the War on Drugs over the last 3 years? QuoteQuote We could pull our troops out at any time and not affect our national security one bit. Pulling our troops out of Iraq would improve our national security - Like when we pulled our troops out of Mogadishu? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #92 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote This is no more a war than the War on Drugs is a war. Absolutely true How many US soldiers have died in the War on Drugs over the last 3 years? ? If there's not a "civil war" in Iraq (according to BUSH as recently as Nov. 27)), then how can it be a war at all?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenfly00 0 #93 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. A majority of Americans (87%) believe wishes come true. Fifty-five percent believe they will not come true if they tell someone about it. Your point? http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20051016/ai_n15711160----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #94 December 5, 2006 >How many US soldiers have died in the War on Drugs over the last 3 years? Depends. Is the War on Drugs taking place in Afganistan as well, where most of the world's poppy production now takes place? If so, about 300. Or are you just talking about US-based 'soldiers' (i.e. police, border guards) dying? Then it's about one a month, or ~40 since the war started. Both wars seem to be going about as well in terms of accomplishing their goals. >Like when we pulled our troops out of Mogadishu? More like when we pulled out of Vietnam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #95 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. No, there hasn't. Hopefully that will change in January.That's what's so great about living in the United States. There will be change. Historically, both parties have provided watime national security. Unfortunately we can't afford to secure our nation, container inspections etc., because we've blown all of our resources in an unrelated nation building exercise. Yep. Containers by ship, train, truck, and 2 unprotected borders. Makes you feel a little vulnerable.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #96 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. A majority of Americans (87%) believe wishes come true. Fifty-five percent believe they will not come true if they tell someone about it. Your point? http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20051016/ai_n15711160 Well, what's your point? I must admit I voted for Bush. Sometimes you get what you wish for and I'm telling. I don't like everything he has done, but when it comes to homeland security, I'm going along with what he's done so far. At least he hasn't brought back the Sedition Act of 1918. If so, Speaker's Corner would be long gone, and we would be getting a knock at the door. Under that act, you could not even critize the flag. The Sediton Act was in addition to the Espionage and Sabotage Act.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #97 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 1932 Fixed it for you Jean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #98 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 1932 1798 Fixed it for you Jean Fixed it for YOU.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #99 December 6, 2006 Quote>How many US soldiers have died in the War on Drugs over the last 3 years? Depends. Is the War on Drugs taking place in Afganistan as well, where most of the world's poppy production now takes place? If so, about 300. Or are you just talking about US-based 'soldiers' (i.e. police, border guards) dying? Then it's about one a month, or ~40 since the war started. Stop!!! I'm getting dizzy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenfly00 0 #100 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. A majority of Americans (87%) believe wishes come true. Fifty-five percent believe they will not come true if they tell someone about it. Your point? http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20051016/ai_n15711160 Well, what's your point? I must admit I voted for Bush. Sometimes you get what you wish for and I'm telling. I don't like everything he has done, but when it comes to homeland security, I'm going along with what he's done so far. At least he hasn't brought back the Sedition Act of 1918. If so, Speaker's Corner would be long gone, and we would be getting a knock at the door. Under that act, you could not even critize the flag. The Sediton Act was in addition to the Espionage and Sabotage Act. My point is popularity is not a valid measure of what is right thing to do. When they burned the witches and hung the niggers, who do you think 'they' were? Evil, bad people? For the most part, no. They were people with limited insight and vision who get swept up in the emotions of the moment ...much like our prolific neo-con posters here. That's right! I'm saying the same people who are arguing for a suspension of major portions of the Bill of Rights are the same ones that would have been hanging the niggers and burning the witches. Every society has a good number of such people. It's up to those with a greater capacity for rational thought and ability to see further down the road to stop them before they destroy what you state you want to protect.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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rickjump1 0 #84 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. NOT www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm That still doesn't compare him to other wartime presidents and it doesn't specifically mention approval rating on wartime civil liberties. As for some of the other things he does, like border security and spending, I don't agree.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #85 December 5, 2006 Quote Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. No, there hasn't. Hopefully that will change in January. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #86 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. NOT www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm That still doesn't compare him to other wartime presidents and it doesn't specifically mention approval rating on wartime civil liberties. As for some of the other things he does, like border security and spending, I don't agree. Roosevelt won 53% of the vote in 1944: higher than Bush's current approval rating. And a majority of Americans apparently do NOT think Bush is doing fine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #87 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuote Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. No, there hasn't. Hopefully that will change in January.That's what's so great about living in the United States. There will be change. Historically, both parties have provided watime national security.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #88 December 5, 2006 Pertaing to the loss of civil liberties under Roosevelt, I think Bush is a lightweight.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #89 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. No, there hasn't. Hopefully that will change in January.That's what's so great about living in the United States. There will be change. Historically, both parties have provided watime national security. Unfortunately we can't afford to secure our nation, container inspections etc., because we've blown all of our resources in an unrelated nation building exercise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #90 December 5, 2006 QuotePertaing to the loss of civil liberties under Roosevelt, I think Bush is a lightweight. Well, there was a DECLARED war for much of Roosevelt's presidency.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #91 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuote This is no more a war than the War on Drugs is a war. Absolutely true How many US soldiers have died in the War on Drugs over the last 3 years? QuoteQuote We could pull our troops out at any time and not affect our national security one bit. Pulling our troops out of Iraq would improve our national security - Like when we pulled our troops out of Mogadishu? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #92 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote This is no more a war than the War on Drugs is a war. Absolutely true How many US soldiers have died in the War on Drugs over the last 3 years? ? If there's not a "civil war" in Iraq (according to BUSH as recently as Nov. 27)), then how can it be a war at all?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #93 December 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. A majority of Americans (87%) believe wishes come true. Fifty-five percent believe they will not come true if they tell someone about it. Your point? http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20051016/ai_n15711160----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #94 December 5, 2006 >How many US soldiers have died in the War on Drugs over the last 3 years? Depends. Is the War on Drugs taking place in Afganistan as well, where most of the world's poppy production now takes place? If so, about 300. Or are you just talking about US-based 'soldiers' (i.e. police, border guards) dying? Then it's about one a month, or ~40 since the war started. Both wars seem to be going about as well in terms of accomplishing their goals. >Like when we pulled our troops out of Mogadishu? More like when we pulled out of Vietnam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #95 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Have rules been bent, sure I'll give you that but there has been oversight. No, there hasn't. Hopefully that will change in January.That's what's so great about living in the United States. There will be change. Historically, both parties have provided watime national security. Unfortunately we can't afford to secure our nation, container inspections etc., because we've blown all of our resources in an unrelated nation building exercise. Yep. Containers by ship, train, truck, and 2 unprotected borders. Makes you feel a little vulnerable.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #96 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. A majority of Americans (87%) believe wishes come true. Fifty-five percent believe they will not come true if they tell someone about it. Your point? http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20051016/ai_n15711160 Well, what's your point? I must admit I voted for Bush. Sometimes you get what you wish for and I'm telling. I don't like everything he has done, but when it comes to homeland security, I'm going along with what he's done so far. At least he hasn't brought back the Sedition Act of 1918. If so, Speaker's Corner would be long gone, and we would be getting a knock at the door. Under that act, you could not even critize the flag. The Sediton Act was in addition to the Espionage and Sabotage Act.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #97 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 1932 Fixed it for you Jean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #98 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 1932 1798 Fixed it for you Jean Fixed it for YOU.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #99 December 6, 2006 Quote>How many US soldiers have died in the War on Drugs over the last 3 years? Depends. Is the War on Drugs taking place in Afganistan as well, where most of the world's poppy production now takes place? If so, about 300. Or are you just talking about US-based 'soldiers' (i.e. police, border guards) dying? Then it's about one a month, or ~40 since the war started. Stop!!! I'm getting dizzy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #100 December 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not part of the vast right wing conspiracy, I just make observations based on my experience. If you think Katrina was bad, just wait until a dirty bomb or worse hits a major American city or event, Marshall Law is the least of our worries. Hell I am thinking they have done litte to really stop that sort of thing.. perhaps so an attack CAN occur.. then they can declare MARTIAL LAW... like they have been planning to do for a while... ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY not just in the place where it will occur.... that gets rid of silly little details like the Bill of Rights that they have fought so hard against since January of 2000 When people rate Lincoln and Roosevelt as great presidents, civil liberties are not mentioned. Wilson, a champion of womens rights was probably worse in civil liberties. All three served in time of war. You only have to read history to compare how President Bush is doing compared to other presidents. I believe the majority of Americans think he is doing fine. A majority of Americans (87%) believe wishes come true. Fifty-five percent believe they will not come true if they tell someone about it. Your point? http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20051016/ai_n15711160 Well, what's your point? I must admit I voted for Bush. Sometimes you get what you wish for and I'm telling. I don't like everything he has done, but when it comes to homeland security, I'm going along with what he's done so far. At least he hasn't brought back the Sedition Act of 1918. If so, Speaker's Corner would be long gone, and we would be getting a knock at the door. Under that act, you could not even critize the flag. The Sediton Act was in addition to the Espionage and Sabotage Act. My point is popularity is not a valid measure of what is right thing to do. When they burned the witches and hung the niggers, who do you think 'they' were? Evil, bad people? For the most part, no. They were people with limited insight and vision who get swept up in the emotions of the moment ...much like our prolific neo-con posters here. That's right! I'm saying the same people who are arguing for a suspension of major portions of the Bill of Rights are the same ones that would have been hanging the niggers and burning the witches. Every society has a good number of such people. It's up to those with a greater capacity for rational thought and ability to see further down the road to stop them before they destroy what you state you want to protect.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
