Thinking about moving to a Non-Nazi state

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I've always heard that Texas was gun friendly. Arizona too, or else I'm behind the times.

I had no idea the Nazis ran Illinois though. I knew there were "Illinois Nazis", because the Blues Brothers HATE Illinois Nazis, but I didn't realize they'd taken over. Are there large populations being deported to slave labor and death camps ??? Are children, especially twins, being used as guinea pigs in horrifying medical experiments ? Well, ARE there ??? If not, go light on the "Nazi" bullshit.

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

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I have been seriously contemplating moving to a state where you aren't a criminal for owning firearms of any kind unless you have harmed someone or something with said firearms. I am looking for honest suggestions and helpful informartion.

The NRA web site where you can compare state gun laws:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

Texas has no registration or licensing required, unless you want to carry a handgun concealed. The only downside is that you can't have a handgun in your car unless you have a concealed handgun license. Other states, like Florida, allow that too without a license.

Not COMPLETELY correct, John... Texas has a "traveling" clause, where you can have a weapon in the vehicle. The problem with it is that the definition isn't explicitly stated, so it's left up to the individual jurisdiction to decide...

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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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If not, go light on the "Nazi" bullshit.

Um..yeah... you might want to address that to the OP, not me.

Throwing that Nazi label around all the time like that...you'd think he's turning liberal or something!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I'm amazed you can't drink alcohol in Clark County Rick - hopefully it's a small enough county to nip off somewhere else for a pint down the local. Nightmare!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Well, I'm from Oregon, I don't own any handguns yet myself, but I do have a couple rifles. I have a friend that owns all kinds of hand guns and from what I know he's never had any problems. Plus there are plenty of places to shoot and the scenery is awesome.

We die only once, but for such a very long time.

I'll believe in ghosts when I catch one in my teeth.

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I've always heard that Texas was gun friendly. Arizona too, or else I'm behind the times.

I had no idea the Nazis ran Illinois though. I knew there were "Illinois Nazis", because the Blues Brothers HATE Illinois Nazis, but I didn't realize they'd taken over. Are there large populations being deported to slave labor and death camps ??? Are children, especially twins, being used as guinea pigs in horrifying medical experiments ? Well, ARE there ??? If not, go light on the "Nazi" bullshit.

Hey Tom I understand your sentiment, but the Nazi's didn't start out with the aforementions actions, they came along later AFTER guns were taken away from those who could have defended themselves.

Maybe you heard this before:
Fear the government that fears your guns.

That was not a phrase coined yesterday by some political pundit/spinmeister

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Concealed Carry, Inc. Closes Doors For Good

December 5th, 2006

Fellow subjects of the State of Illinois:

Greeting and salutations.

Pending the filing of a final tax return, and the turning in of our BATF records, Concealed Carry, Inc. is closed for business.

When Concealed Carry, Inc. started in November of 1997 I was truly a ball of fire, and convinced if one applied reason to the gun control debate, then concealed carry would logically follow in Illinois.

To drive home our point we had a lot of fun with transporting weapons in fanny packs to Taste of Chicago and our one hand gun a month give-a-way to Chicago residents was a hoot that made it all the way over to the BBC. Not bad for corporation with zero assets and that maintained a cash account of never more than $400.

Still the bottom line is we needed to make our case not in Illinois, as that has been pretty much accomplished, but rather in Cook County. We failed.

The Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence probably has more paid staff than members (in fact, if you go to their web site there is no way to join the ICHV,) yet they see the playing field clearly. Maintaining an office in both Chicago and Springfield they cozy up to the right people and like magic, they get their way. By contrast the Illinois State Rifle Association has perhaps 12,000 members or so, but is considered a "nutty uncle on loose" in Springfield and is headquartered in Chatsworth, IL (Never heard of it? Surprise.)

I suspect the reason for the legislative success of gun control in Illinois is that the ICHV is backed by big liberal money, like the Pritzker fortune, with fulltime hired guns, who know how to play hard ball with a state representative when they need "reminding." (Okay, my hat is off to ICHV Exec Director Thom Mannard. You outwitted, outlasted and outplayed.) Meanwhile ISRA members are content to just be allowed to plink at a range, or shoot a rabbit to skin and put in the pot for dinner.

My prognostication is that a major effort to ban the possession (not purchase) of all semi-auto’s is next. I will go further and tell you it might be best thing to happen to gun owners in Illinois. Let me give an example from history.

Hitler put Jews in concentration camps, a bad thing in itself, but ultimately forgivable and recompensable. Witness the Japanese incarceration in the USA for an example. Where Hitler made any hope of being forgiven by humanity unthinkable was in making the camps extermination facilities.

Well creating 1,500,000 instant felons in the State of Illinois with the stroke of Governor Blagojevich’s pen just might be the thing to finally galvanize Illinois gun owners. Not to mention there are an awful lot of closet gun owners in Cook County. They would admit to being gay to their wife before letting the cops know they have a gun, such is the fear of the police. Why not ramp the terror up a notch, eh?

In any case we know that playing defense in Springfield does not work. Stopping a gun control bill, and calling that a victory, is to recall the British repulsing the opening attacks in the movie Zulu, wherein the Red Coats were gleeful in victory. The end of the movie is a bit less jovial. As will be the end in Illinois.

We also know that sending money to gun rights organizations doesn’t work. But feel free to send that money anyway so you can feel like “you are doing something to protect your rights in Illinois.” I’ll have a bit of laugh as you do, but it will be a friendly laugh with a knowing wink and a nod.

For those of you who say the press is out to get us, I say NONSENSE. I have dealt with virtually every major news organization in the USA and certainly every credible media outlet in Illinois. I have always got a fair shake in the press. You just have to give the press a story. The anti-gunners are just plain better at doing that than gun owners. They bring heart rendering emotion to the debate, we bring facts and figures. One picture of a dead boy with a grieving mother beats a 1,000 John Lott’s.

As for me I am going to Pensacola on Thursday to finalize a land transfer and will be changing my state of residence in the near future. As good friend Ron Bond says: “I won’t go anywhere my gun isn’t welcome.”

Now, I have just broken my rule not to name names of the good subjects who have helped out over the years. You know if I do I’ll forget a half dozen of you, and only create bitterness. You know who you are. Your reward is the same as mine for you efforts: NOTHING.

John Birch
President

PS: I’ll keep my email address going for a while longer. john@concealcarry.org


Just thought I would pass this along, Ron

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Section 6-2 Assault weapons and large capacity magazines - Sale prohibited - Exceptions.



(a) No person shall manufacture, sell, offer or display for sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any assault weapon or large capacity magazine. This subsection shall not apply to:


(1) the sale or transfer to, or possession by any officer, agent, or employee of Cook County or any other municipality or state or of the United States, members of the armed forces of the United States; or the organized militia of this or any other state; or peace officers to the extent that any such person named in this subsection is otherwise authorized to acquire or possess an assault weapon and/or large capacity magazine and does so while acting within the scope of his or her duties;

(2) transportation of assault weapons or large capacity magazine if such weapons are broken down and in a non-functioning state and are not immediately accessible to any person.

(b) Any assault weapon or large capacity magazine possessed, sold or transferred in violation of subsection (a) of this section is hereby declared to be contraband and shall be seized and disposed of in accordance with the provisions of Section 6-2 of this Ordinance.

(c) Any person found in violation of this section shall be sentenced to not more than six months imprisonment or fined not less than $500.00 and not more than $1,000.00, or both.

(d) Any person who, prior to the effective date of the ordinance codified in this Ordinance, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine prohibited by this section shall have 90 days from the effective date of the ordinance to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution hereunder:

(1) To remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from within the limits of the County of Cook; or

(2) To modify the assault weapon or large capacity magazine either to render it permanently inoperable or to permanently make it a device no longer defined as an assault weapon or large capacity magazine; or

(3) To surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the Sheriff or his designee for disposal as provided below.

Section 6-3 Destruction of weapons confiscated.

Whenever any firearm or large capacity magazine is surrendered or confiscated pursuant to the terms of this Ordinance, the Sheriff shall ascertain whether such firearm is needed as evidence in any matter.

If such firearm or large capacity magazine is not required for evidence it shall be destroyed at the direction of the Sheriff. A record of the date and method of destruction an inventory or the firearm or large capacity magazine so destroyed shall be maintained.

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I'm amazed you can't drink alcohol in Clark County Rick - hopefully it's a small enough county to nip off somewhere else for a pint down the local. Nightmare!

You can drink it, but you cannot buy it. It's a little hypercritical because one country club and one Veterans Club does serve alcohol. The third private liquor license was bought up by a Baptish University just to keep it out of the hands of the public. Yes, it's a small county. It's about 40 minutes to get booze for me. For years I overlooked this little imperfection just to live in a rural area and raise my kids. Now it's time to move on.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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....unless I trek off to (what) Montana???? Where the hell is THAT???

linz

Somewhere north of Texas. Guns and Moose Drool dark ale. What a mix. Will keep the light on for you.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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Texas has no registration or licensing required, unless you want to carry a handgun concealed. The only downside is that you can't have a handgun in your car unless you have a concealed handgun license. Other states, like Florida, allow that too without a license.

Not COMPLETELY correct, John... Texas has a "traveling" clause, where you can have a weapon in the vehicle. The problem with it is that the definition isn't explicitly stated, so it's left up to the individual jurisdiction to decide...

Yes, there are a few exceptions to the gun carry prohibition for the unlicensed. But for the average daily around-town business, that was a true statement.

And as you noted, even if "traveling", some judge can decide to nail you anyway based upon his own definitions. And once you reach your destination, then you're no longer traveling, and gun carry is prohibited once again. So it's really only good for when you're on the road, and only when driving over 60 miles with an overnight stay away from home. And that's pretty limiting for most people.

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The "60 miles and an overnight" was what I thought it was, too... until I looked.

46.15(i)

(i) For purposes of Subsection (b)(3), a person is presumed
to be traveling if the person is:
(1) in a private motor vehicle;
(2) not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other
than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance
regulating traffic;
(3) not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a
firearm;
(4) not a member of a criminal street gang, as defined
by Section 71.01; and
(5) not carrying a handgun in plain view.

Looks like the burden is on the court to prove that the person was NOT traveling...as it should be, IMO

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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"Jimmy, let's hit that big, brick house on Chester street. It's the biggest house in the neighborhood. Remember when we followed the pretty young wife the other day? Remember the expensive jewelry she was wearing? Remember the Mercedes she was driving? There must be a fortune in that house, Jimmy," said Benny Doland, his mouth almost watering.

Benny Doland was tall and skinny, about 30 years old. He had small, narrow eyes, a long nose, and heavy, wet lips. He had a high-pitched voice and his hands moved erratically as he talked.

He was talking to Jimmy, his partner. Jimmy Greeves was short, barrel-chested, around 27 years old. He had cold, brutal eyes, a small nose, and a thin, tight mouth. He looked at Benny Doland with contempt. "Yeah," he said, "the little wifey was sure pretty, wasn't she Benny? I sure would like a piece of that."

Benny looked at his partner with fear. He had seen that look on Jimmy's face before, and he remembered what happened the last time they hit a house. Jimmy had raped and strangled the pretty young wife in that house, and left her for dead on her living room floor. Jimmy Greeves had raped her five times. He had spent so much time raping the girl, that they didn't search the house to find the cash and jewelry. They left empty-handed. Benny didn't want that to happen again.

"Jimmy," he said, "remember what happened the last time? Please, Jimmy, let's keep our minds on robbing the place, not the girl. O.K?"

Jimmy looked up at his partner with a sneer. "You just case the joint and find the loot in the house, Benny. I'll take care of the pretty little wife." Jimmy looked at the cold eyes of his partner and didn't say anything.

Then Benny said, "Jimmy, what if they have a gun in the house? What if the husband has a rack of guns and his wife knows how to use them? I don't want to get killed just trying to rob a house."

Jimmy Greeves looked at Benny with contempt. "You idiot, don't you read the newspapers? Our friends in the State legislature just passed a gun-control law that forced all gun owners to hand in their guns to the cops. Ain't that grand? We always used to worry about getting shot when we hit a house. Now, we don't have no more worries. If I could, I would kiss the moron politicians who passed the gun-control laws. They give guys like us a free ride. All we have to do is break into the house, and the house and pretty little wife is ours for the taking."

Benny's wet lips smiled at the thought. "Yeah," he said, "I forgot about that. You're right. They just passed that law. And all the obedient law-abiding citizens in this town turned in their guns. Do you believe that? I guess they think they don't have to worry about guys like us any more. I guess they think the cops will protect them. Ain't that a laugh, Jimmy? Yeah, Jimmy, let's hit that house tomorrow night. Remember, we saw the husband with his packed bags riding off to the airport yesterday. I guess he's going on a business trip. The wifey will be all alone."

Jenny Hanson loved her house, her husband, and her two little daughters. She was 25 years old, with beautiful blue eyes, a delicate nose, and a wide, sensuous mouth. Her dark, lustrous hair flowed over lovely shoulders. She had a lush, curvy body that she tried to hide under sweatshirts and baggy jeans.

But Jenny Hanson also had an inner core of steel. She was raised as an army brat. Her father was a Marine Corp colonel who loved his daughter to distraction. Because he loved her so much, because he saw how beautiful she was, and because he knew how men were, he taught his daughter how to use guns from an early age. Jenny Hanson was a deadly shot.

Jenny had a close friend growing up, Betty Draper. One night, when they were teens, she witnessed her friend Betty being raped by a gang of drunk teenagers. Jenny had managed to escape before the gang could get her, too. That terrible night was etched in her brain, in her heart. Later, her friend Betty had committed suicide.

Sweet, lovely Jenny therefore kept several loaded pistols in her house. She kept them hidden and locked up, so her daughters could never find them or reach them. When the State legislators passed the gun-confiscation laws, her father had called her from his base in Colorado. He told her, "Honey, the hell with those damn politicians. The government in Australia just confiscated all handguns. Guess what? Rapes, robberies, and murders are way up there. What else could you expect? Jenny, I forbid you from handing in your guns. Do you hear?"

Jenny said, with love in her voice, "I know, my wonderful, protecting Daddy. You didn't have to tell me that. Do you think I would give up my guns because some gun-control morons want to take away my right to defend myself and my children? May those bastards be damned for disarming us. Especially for disarming the women in this town. Now every woman on my block is threatened by rape or robbery because they can't defend themselves with a gun. Don't worry, Dad, I have my revolver armed and loaded. Good-night, Daddy."

Her father, on the other end of the line, was proud of his daughter. "O.K. sweetheart, I was just checking. You know how I am. Good night, and call me if you need anything."

"O.K, Dad," Jenny said.

At 9:15 p.m. the next evening, Benny Doland and Jimmy Greeves broke a back window on Jenny's house. What they didn't know was that Jenny had a good alarm system. She was upstairs in Sara and Melissa's bedroom, reading to them from their favorite book. When she heard the alarm go off, she got up very slowly from the bed. Sara and Melissa looked up at their mother with fear.

"What is that noise, Mommy?" Melissa said. Jenny looked down calmly at her daughters and said, "Sara, Melissa, I want you both to stay in your bed and be very quiet. I have to see where that noise is coming from. It's very important that you be quiet so I can hear the noise. O.K, darlings? Do you promise?"

Sara and Melissa both nodded their little heads yes and watched as their mother walked slowly out the bedroom door. They heard the outside key to their door lock, something their mommy had never done before.

Jenny walked to the master bedroom, went into the closet, opened a stepladder, then took away some big boxes on the top shelf. Behind the boxes, was a small locked box. She took out a special key, opened the box, and removed the fully loaded revolver.

She calmly walked out of the master bedroom and down the carpeted stairway to the big living room. She heard the voices of two men whispering to each other. She heard drawers being opened, cabinet glass being smashed, and she heard curses too. She knew the men would find nothing. All their valuables were hidden in a secret safe under the floor in the master bedroom. The men's voices were angry, she knew, because they had found nothing.

Jenny switched on the light to the living room and came down the stairs. The two thieves, startled by the light, turned around and saw this beautiful woman slowly, calmly walking down the stairs towards them. What astounded them most was that the girl seemed to be totally unafraid. She held her right hand behind her back as she walked towards them.

"Get out of this house right now," Jenny said. She faced the two men with utter calm. "There are no valuables here," she said. "They are all in our bank vault. You will find nothing, here. If you leave now, I won't call the police."

Jimmy Greeves was astounded. This ripe plum was giving them orders. He was also angry. He said, "You bitch. Where's the cash? Where's the jewels? Don't give me that crap about the bank vault. We saw you wearing those expensive jewels. We tailed you."

"I told you there is nothing here." Jenny said. "Those jewels are fake. There isn't more than $100 cash in the house. Now get out, or I will call the police."

Jimmy Greeves's eyes turned cold. He took in every curve of her body, lusting for her. He wanted her even more for being so arrogant. "O.K., just for being nasty to us, me and Benny are going to have some fun with you. You won't mind, will you, bitch? We know you pretty little housewives always lust for bad guys like us. You asked for it, so now you're going to get it."

Jenny was seeing her friend Betty after she was raped and beaten. She was remembering the phone call Betty's mother made to her six months later, telling her that Betty had committed suicide. Jenny looked at the short, ugly thug approaching her and felt the steel rising in her.

She took the revolver from behind her back and pointed it straight at Jimmy Greeves's chest. The thug's eyes opened wide with shock as he saw the pistol come up. She fired twice, point-blank, and Jimmy Greeves flew backwards from the impact of the bullets. He lay dead on the floor in front of Benny Doland, whose startled eyes were wide open. Benny looked down at his dead partner, then looked at the barrel of the smoking revolver in Jenny's hand. What scared him most was the calm, merciless look on Jenny's face. He panicked, and ran screaming out the front door. Jenny watched him run with a grim smile of satisfaction.

When the police arrived, they arrested Jenny for unlawful possession of a handgun.

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then the police arrived, they arrested Jenny for unlawful possession of a handgun.

and Sara and Melissa were put in a decent liberal non-gun foster home to protect them from their parents' poor decisions to own 'evil' guns. Which is fortunate since their father is working 3 jobs to pay off Jimmy's family for the civil suit they won. Also, he's paying for Benny's civil suit as well for the trauma he suffered.

Jenny's dog received 3 years of state sponsored pet therapy for the emotional trauma of hearing a gun fire.

Strangely enough, the dog and Benny are receiving therapy at the same state run clinic......

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When the police arrived, they arrested Jenny for unlawful possession of a handgun not shooting and killing both criminals.

Fixed it for you.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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"Jimmy, let's hit that big, brick house on Chester street. It's the biggest house in the neighborhood. Remember when we followed the pretty young wife the other day? Remember the expensive jewelry she was wearing? Remember the Mercedes she was driving? There must be a fortune in that house, Jimmy," said Benny Doland, his mouth almost watering. both Jimmy and Benny have been robbing houses to live as the minimum wage just isn't enough for them to own a big house and have a play station each, it's not their fault, those houses on Chester street are just a symbol of their economic oppression

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Jimmy looked at Benny Doland with contempt. "Yeah," he said, "the little wifey was sure pretty, wasn't she Benny? I sure would like a piece of that."

Benny ..... remembered what happened the last time they hit a house. Jimmy had raped and strangled the pretty young wife in that house, and left her for dead on her living room floor. of course, it wasn't Jimmy's fault, it's the fault of society for driving his parents to beat and abuse him as a youngster. If only there would be national health care, Jimmy would get the therapy he needs. Frankly, the pretty young wives are asking for it by acting and dressing like wives instead of womyn - thus perpetuating their roles as sex slaves in an unfair patriarchial society

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Jimmy Greeves looked at Benny with contempt. "You idiot, don't you read the newspapers? Our friends in the State legislature just passed a gun-control law that forced all gun owners to hand in their guns to the cops. Ain't that grand? We always used to worry about getting shot when we hit a house. Now, we don't have no more worries. If I could, I would kiss the moron politicians who passed the gun-control laws. They give guys like us a free ride. All we have to do is break into the house, and the house and pretty little wife is ours for the taking." finally, someone is protecting the little guys like us. Serves these rich wierdos right for exploiting us


Jenny Hanson blah, blah, blah Jenny is obviously a product of antiquated values and brainwashing by horrible people trying to perpetuate a masculine dominated culture, obviously in denial of her lesbian urges, she tries to compensate by pushing the limits of male stereotypes and owning guns - obviously a desire for her own penis - which everyone knows is just a bad excuse for violent behavior and denial that socialism will work if people would just try

At 9:15 p.m. the next evening, Benny Doland and Jimmy Greeves broke a back window on Jenny's house. in desparation as they couldn't eat and buy a Play station game simultaneously

"What is that noise, Mommy?" Melissa said. Jenny looked down calmly at her daughters ......They heard the outside key to their door lock, something their mommy had never done before. again showing that she's abusive and is perpetuating the idea that little girls are also property to be locked in

Jenny walked to the master bedroom, her mouth drooling in anticipation of the blood she'll liberate tonight went into the closet, opened a stepladder, then took away some big boxes on the top shelf. Behind the boxes, was a small locked box. She took out a special key, opened the box, and removed the fully loaded revolver.

She calmly walked out of the master bedroom and down the carpeted stairway to the big living room. She heard the voices of two men whispering to each other. She heard drawers being opened, cabinet glass being smashed, and she heard curses too. She knew the men would find nothing. All their valuables were hidden in a secret safe under the floor in the master bedroom. The men's voices were angry, she knew, because they had found nothing. this is also Jenny's fault because if she'd have left all her valuable on the front porch, the criminals wouldn't have HAD to enter the house in the first place, thus eliminating the potential conflict in the first place

Jenny .......

"Get out of this house right now," Jenny said. She faced the two men with utter calm. "There are no valuables here," she said. "They are all in our bank vault. You will find nothing, here. If you leave now, I won't call the police." she mumbled this under her breath hoping the poor souls wouldn't hear it. Thus, she can honestly testify that did provide a 'warning'. In the meantime, her finger is getting itchy and her nipples are taught in anticipation of the blood bath

Jimmy Greeves was astounded. these details aren't important

She took the revolver from behind her back and pointed it straight at Jimmy Greeves's chest. The thug's eyes opened wide with shock as he saw the pistol come up. She fired twice, point-blank, and Jimmy Greeves flew backwards from the impact of the bullets. He lay dead on the floor in front of Benny Doland, whose startled eyes were wide open. Benny looked down at his dead partner, then looked at the barrel of the smoking revolver in Jenny's hand. What scared him most was the calm, merciless look on Jenny's face. He panicked, and ran screaming out the front door. Jenny watched him run with a grim smile of satisfaction. wishing he's stay so she could fire round after round into his torso. Jenny bathed her hands in Jimmy's blood, then washed up before the cops could arrive. Maybe she could pretend they are crooks and kill some more...... probably not a good idea, but just holding a gun obviously makes one feel like killing things

When the police arrived, they arrested Jenny for unlawful possession of a handgun.

which is the sensitive thing to do

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The "60 miles and an overnight" was what I thought it was, too... until I looked.

46.15(i)

(i) For purposes of Subsection (b)(3), a person is presumed
to be traveling if the person is:
(1) in a private motor vehicle;
(2) not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other
than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance
regulating traffic;
(3) not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a
firearm;
(4) not a member of a criminal street gang, as defined
by Section 71.01; and
(5) not carrying a handgun in plain view.

Looks like the burden is on the court to prove that the person was NOT traveling...as it should be, IMO

"60 miles and overnight" is how the judges generally have interpreted "traveling". But it isn't written in the law anywhere. That's just kind of how the term has evolved into a generally accepted definition.

A change was made just last year which puts the burden of proof on the prosecuter to prove that the person was NOT traveling. It used to be that the automatic presumption was that the person was not traveling (and therefore guilty), and that it was up to the person to prove himself innocent later.

This new change presumably makes it easier to carry a gun in your car and not get in trouble. But most people aren't quick to want to be the test case. And our county attorney has even stated that the change means nothing to him - he's going to continue to ask police to arrest any unlicensed people with a gun in their car. So this is an area still fraught with risk...

Tip: always keep an overnight bag in your trunk, complete with a change of clothes, bathroom kit, etc. If a cop asks where you're heading, pick the name of a city more than 60 miles away, and show your suitcase. Presto: "traveling".

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And our county attorney has even stated that the change means nothing to him - he's going to continue to ask police to arrest any unlicensed people with a gun in their car. So this is an area still fraught with risk...

And when he tries it, the statute gives the defendant a positive defense. It'll still suck to be the 'test case' though...

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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I have been seriously contemplating moving to a state where you aren't a criminal for owning firearms of any kind unless you have harmed someone or something with said firearms.

I am looking for honest suggestions and helpful informartion.

With that said what are your opinions and why?

Avoid:

IL
UT
CA
KS
DC
MD
VA
NY

I agree with that list for firearms prohibition, but as for Nazi I would say:

TX
AZ
FL
probably a lot of the southeast.

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I agree with that list for firearms prohibition, but as for Nazi I would say:

TX
AZ
FL
probably a lot of the southeast.

All those fascist bastards that won't give you your free health insurance that you deserve, right?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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She took the revolver from behind her back and pointed it straight at Jimmy Greeves's chest. The thug's eyes opened wide with shock as he saw the pistol come up. She fired twice, point-blank, and Jimmy Greeves flew backwards from the impact of the bullets.

oh, this was a movie, right?

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Hitler put Jews in concentration camps, a bad thing in itself, but ultimately forgivable and recompensable. Witness the Japanese incarceration in the USA for an example. Where Hitler made any hope of being forgiven by humanity unthinkable was in making the camps extermination facilities.

I don't think too many of the Japanese Americans forgave, and few thought they were remotely compensated even just for the financial losses of losing their homes, businesses, lives. Nevermind the emotional pain of being outcast for years while German Americans ran free.