kallend 2,108 #76 December 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote"Iraq Surrender Group Report" Was wondering what the right wing spin on this report would be. Now we know. They're quiet for a few days. Then all of a sudden there's an opinion. Gee, I wonder where it came from? http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html Have you read the entire report for yourself or have you relied on newspapers and websites to break it down for you? - Soon you'll be telling us that Bush never claimed to be a conservative. .......and you will be telling us you take all politicians on face value. Or perhaps you only hear what you want to? Ever wonder why Bush used "Compassionate" before Conservative? So where's the "compassionate" in this speech? "I am a conservative because I believe in the power of each individual. My philosophy trusts individuals to make the right decisions for their families and communities [instead of] from distant bureaucracies. I am a conservative because I believe government should be limited and efficient. I am a conservative because I believe in a strong national defense [and] I support free markets and free trade. I am a conservative because I believe government closest to the people governs best." George W. Bush 12/9/1999 I guess he was just practising his lying.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #77 December 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote"Iraq Surrender Group Report" Was wondering what the right wing spin on this report would be. Now we know. They're quiet for a few days. Then all of a sudden there's an opinion. Gee, I wonder where it came from? http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html Have you read the entire report for yourself or have you relied on newspapers and websites to break it down for you? - Soon you'll be telling us that Bush never claimed to be a conservative. .......and you will be telling us you take all politicians on face value. Or perhaps you only hear what you want to? Ever wonder why Bush used "Compassionate" before Conservative? So where's the "compassionate" in this speech? "I am a conservative because I believe in the power of each individual. My philosophy trusts individuals to make the right decisions for their families and communities [instead of] from distant bureaucracies. I am a conservative because I believe government should be limited and efficient. I am a conservative because I believe in a strong national defense [and] I support free markets and free trade. I am a conservative because I believe government closest to the people governs best." George W. Bush 12/9/1999 I guess he was just practising his lying. Ha ha... Please tell me you don't believe that makes him a Conservative. Of course if labels are important to you and help pigeonhole people, then I guess it is. Hearing any politician descibe himself with a label and believing it is for the uneducated and naive. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #78 December 8, 2006 QuoteHearing any politician descibe himself with a label and believing it is for the uneducated and naive. Kewl so you just described Right Wing Talk Radio.. well done.. cause they certainly believed he was a conservative and a christian because they certainly described him that way when they were selling that load of crap to the right wing americans out there who elected him and his cronies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #79 December 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote"Iraq Surrender Group Report" Was wondering what the right wing spin on this report would be. Now we know. They're quiet for a few days. Then all of a sudden there's an opinion. Gee, I wonder where it came from? http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html Have you read the entire report for yourself or have you relied on newspapers and websites to break it down for you? - Soon you'll be telling us that Bush never claimed to be a conservative. .......and you will be telling us you take all politicians on face value. Or perhaps you only hear what you want to? Ever wonder why Bush used "Compassionate" before Conservative? So where's the "compassionate" in this speech? "I am a conservative because I believe in the power of each individual. My philosophy trusts individuals to make the right decisions for their families and communities [instead of] from distant bureaucracies. I am a conservative because I believe government should be limited and efficient. I am a conservative because I believe in a strong national defense [and] I support free markets and free trade. I am a conservative because I believe government closest to the people governs best." George W. Bush 12/9/1999 I guess he was just practising his lying. Ha ha... Please tell me you don't believe that makes him a Conservative. Of course if labels are important to you and help pigeonhole people, then I guess it is. Hearing any politician descibe himself with a label and believing it is for the uneducated and naive. . . That's spin-talk for "Bush Lied". I guess you're slowly coming around. The truth will set you free.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #80 December 8, 2006 QuoteEver wonder why Bush used "Compassionate" before Conservative? He wanted to maximize his number of campaign lies?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #81 December 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote"Iraq Surrender Group Report" Was wondering what the right wing spin on this report would be. Now we know. They're quiet for a few days. Then all of a sudden there's an opinion. Gee, I wonder where it came from? http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html Have you read the entire report for yourself or have you relied on newspapers and websites to break it down for you? - Soon you'll be telling us that Bush never claimed to be a conservative. .......and you will be telling us you take all politicians on face value. Or perhaps you only hear what you want to? Ever wonder why Bush used "Compassionate" before Conservative? So where's the "compassionate" in this speech? "I am a conservative because I believe in the power of each individual. My philosophy trusts individuals to make the right decisions for their families and communities [instead of] from distant bureaucracies. I am a conservative because I believe government should be limited and efficient. I am a conservative because I believe in a strong national defense [and] I support free markets and free trade. I am a conservative because I believe government closest to the people governs best." George W. Bush 12/9/1999 I guess he was just practising his lying. Ha ha... Please tell me you don't believe that makes him a Conservative. Of course if labels are important to you and help pigeonhole people, then I guess it is. Hearing any politician descibe himself with a label and believing it is for the uneducated and naive. . . That's spin-talk for "Bush Lied". I guess you're slowly coming around. The truth will set you free. I know the truth. What are we children? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #82 December 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteHearing any politician descibe himself with a label and believing it is for the uneducated and naive. Kewl so you just described Right Wing Talk Radio.. well done.. cause they certainly believed he was a conservative and a christian because they certainly described him that way when they were selling that load of crap to the right wing americans out there who elected him and his cronies. 9.9 on the Irony scale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #83 December 9, 2006 Hi GM Quote I do find it interesting that James Baker's law firm is defending the Saudis against lawsuits brought by the victims and their families of 9/11 and that he is very involved with the Saudis as I already posted above. Whats so interesting about that. isn't that SOP for a lot of retired political appointee's. it s business. Prof the next time we do this stupid shit we won't be able to buy our allies at any price. We've got highly skilled subcontractor's in this country who are employed by.... Retired militiy, political, ex VP's etc. Boeing hired th head of procuremt for the air force before she even retired. Boeing almost got away with leaseing the pentagon a new fleet of aerial refuelers at a such a inflated price that the contract was cancelled after Mccain blew the whistle. Punishment for procuremt offical 6 mo someplace and it's not gitmo. We complain about other countries having graft and corruption Here we have lobbyists and politicans that have to raise funds for reelection. Red, blue same same money and greed is color blind R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #84 December 9, 2006 Quote>Failure huh . . . Yep. Getting Saddam - success Finding WMD's - failure Freeing Iraqis from tyranny - failure "Ending torture chambers, rape rooms and mass graves forever" - failure Creating a stable democracy in the Middle East - failure Denying terrorists a training ground - failure Getting Bin Laden - failure Eliminating the Taliban - failure Reducing terrorism worldwide - failure He's 1 for 9. That's even lower than his approval rating. Time to stop losing. This is what the American people voted for and believed in and this is what we got! YOU SUCKERS! I would type more but there are some uniformed guys with guns and badges at my front door asking if they can come in and conduct a "voluntary" search of my home......wonder what brought that on? After they are done with me, they might be on their way to your home! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #85 December 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote"Iraq Surrender Group Report" Was wondering what the right wing spin on this report would be. Now we know. They're quiet for a few days. Then all of a sudden there's an opinion. Gee, I wonder where it came from? http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html Have you read the entire report for yourself or have you relied on newspapers and websites to break it down for you? - Soon you'll be telling us that Bush never claimed to be a conservative. .......and you will be telling us you take all politicians on face value. Or perhaps you only hear what you want to? Ever wonder why Bush used "Compassionate" before Conservative? So where's the "compassionate" in this speech? "I am a conservative because I believe in the power of each individual. My philosophy trusts individuals to make the right decisions for their families and communities [instead of] from distant bureaucracies. I am a conservative because I believe government should be limited and efficient. I am a conservative because I believe in a strong national defense [and] I support free markets and free trade. I am a conservative because I believe government closest to the people governs best." George W. Bush 12/9/1999 I guess he was just practising his lying. Ha ha... Please tell me you don't believe that makes him a Conservative. Of course if labels are important to you and help pigeonhole people, then I guess it is. Hearing any politician descibe himself with a label and believing it is for the uneducated and naive. . . That's spin-talk for "Bush Lied". I guess you're slowly coming around. The truth will set you free. I know the truth. What are we children? - In that case you know that what he claimed in 1999 is what you claim he never claimed. Weasel away all you want.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #86 December 9, 2006 buttfucking I don't think I have ever actually seen this word in print! HAHAHAHA! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #87 December 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote"Iraq Surrender Group Report" Was wondering what the right wing spin on this report would be. Now we know. They're quiet for a few days. Then all of a sudden there's an opinion. Gee, I wonder where it came from? http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html Have you read the entire report for yourself or have you relied on newspapers and websites to break it down for you? - Soon you'll be telling us that Bush never claimed to be a conservative. .......and you will be telling us you take all politicians on face value. Or perhaps you only hear what you want to? Ever wonder why Bush used "Compassionate" before Conservative? So where's the "compassionate" in this speech? "I am a conservative because I believe in the power of each individual. My philosophy trusts individuals to make the right decisions for their families and communities [instead of] from distant bureaucracies. I am a conservative because I believe government should be limited and efficient. I am a conservative because I believe in a strong national defense [and] I support free markets and free trade. I am a conservative because I believe government closest to the people governs best." George W. Bush 12/9/1999 I guess he was just practising his lying. Ha ha... Please tell me you don't believe that makes him a Conservative. Of course if labels are important to you and help pigeonhole people, then I guess it is. Hearing any politician descibe himself with a label and believing it is for the uneducated and naive. . . That's spin-talk for "Bush Lied". I guess you're slowly coming around. The truth will set you free. I know the truth. What are we children? - In that case you know that what he claimed in 1999 is what you claim he never claimed. Weasel away all you want. Only a child would be disappointed by a Politician. I suppose now you are going to admit you were fooled? Is that really what you are saying? BTW you confuse the truth with your truth. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #88 December 9, 2006 Wow..... A whole thread in a single post (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #89 December 9, 2006 I HATE those.. nested replies arrrrggggghhhh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #90 December 9, 2006 Quote Only a child would be disappointed by a Politician. I suppose now you are going to admit you were fooled? Is that really what you are saying? BTW you confuse the truth with your truth. . In that case why did you bother to write that Bush never claimed himself to be a conservative? You DID write that, www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2542394#2542394 and it IS untrue. Unless someone was impersonating you when you wrote that, I don't think I'm the one having trouble with the truth here. As far as my being fooled by Bush, that warrants an irony score of 15 on a scale of 0 - 10. I have written for years that Bush is an incompetent and a liar, as well you know.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #91 December 9, 2006 QuoteQuote Only a child would be disappointed by a Politician. I suppose now you are going to admit you were fooled? Is that really what you are saying? BTW you confuse the truth with your truth. . In that case why did you bother to write that Bush never claimed himself to be a conservative? You DID write that, www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2542394#2542394 and it IS untrue. Unless someone was impersonating you when you wrote that, I don't think I'm the one having trouble with the truth here. As far as my being fooled by Bush, that warrants an irony score of 15 on a scale of 0 - 10. I have written for years that Bush is an incompetent and a liar, as well you know. Check. Mate in two. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #92 December 9, 2006 Some people just want to believe SOOO badly.... OH LOOK.....another delusion just flew right past.....zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #93 December 9, 2006 QuoteI'm in the process of reading it. I haven't commented on it's text because I'm not done yet. I hope others will read the report, too. http://www.usip.org/isg/iraq_study_group_report/report/1206/index.html It's an 84 page PDF; the last 20 pages are the appendices, so there's really only 60 pages. It's not an overly technical report, clearly written, no political bias "spin". Anyone with a 12th grade reading level should be able to understand its recommendations. It's certainly not a "cut and run" proposal. "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #94 December 10, 2006 The big problem with using the military is that while they're very good - excellent - at what they do, that is all they can be expected to do and no more. Which is why shooting their way into a foreign country, overwhelming that country's military defenses, and bringing down the ruling government was the easy part. It's one of the things the Army's meant to do, that and of course defending the American homeland from foreign invasion. What the military was NOT designed to do is nation building, teaching civics to people who just want to kill each other anyway, or impose an occupation. No army has ever been good at occupying another country, they all end up being hated by the locals, regardless of policy, religion, or whatever. The locals will always be willing to fight and die until the occupying power's folks back home get sick enough of the mess to pull out and leave. It has nothing to do with Iraqis, or Muslims, or with our troops, or America. Occupation is simply folly. The British, French, Italians, Germans, Japanese, Russians, and unfortunately ourselves have all found this out the hard way. "When the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, pretty soon everything starts looking like a nail". We can't hammer all the world's problems. Some problems need a wrench or a screwdriver (i.e. diplomacy, etc). The military cannot be expected to do what they were not designed for. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #95 December 10, 2006 Well, said. Maybe we can take up a collection and send the President a copy of Sun Tzu's Art of War for Christmas."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #96 December 10, 2006 Cracking post (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #97 December 10, 2006 Quote What the military was NOT designed to do is nation building, teaching civics to people who just want to kill each other anyway, or impose an occupation. . You stole that idea from this guy: "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." George W. Bush, October 3, 2000 "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building." George W. Bush, October 11, 2000 I wonder what ever happened to him.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #98 December 10, 2006 QuoteYou stole that idea from this guy: "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." George W. Bush, October 3, 2000 "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building." George W. Bush, October 11, 2000 I wonder what ever happened to him. He's still around (unfortunately). He just flip-flopped.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #99 December 11, 2006 Some good points!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #100 December 11, 2006 Ahhhh... consensus...how nice....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
