kbordson 8
Poor dog. That would have been 2 and a half hard minutes for his partner/handler. A friend of mine was a K9 officer and I watched him train a couple of times. Those dogs are highly trained... but I don't know why he would have been released at that time.
I also doubt the "shot 81 times" in the title.
I wonder what the real story on that video was.
I also doubt the "shot 81 times" in the title.
I wonder what the real story on that video was.
Richards 0
QuoteQuotePoor dog. That would have been 2 and a half hard minutes for his partner/handler. A friend of mine was a K9 officer and I watched him train a couple of times. Those dogs are highly trained... but I don't know why he would have been released at that time.
It really is quite upsetting to watch. Thinking that the poor guy was just being a loyal devoted servant to his trainer, the poor guy got shot up by his own people doing what he had been conditioned to do probably since puppyhood. Again the video description claims he was airlifted out. If he did not make it, I at least hope the little guy didn't suffer too much.QuoteI also doubt the "shot 81 times" in the title.
As with anything on the web....grain of salt.My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
bazelos 0
The police doesn't shot anyone just for the fun of it, this guy must have done something pretty bad, but to feel bad for an animal and let a human die like that is insulting.
Some more info about this, the name of the guy getting shot at is Deandre Brunston
from: http://www.copwatchla.org/newsaction.cgi?article=9999999811202.995513459621
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from http://www.refuseandresist.org/brutality/art.php?aid=1098
Some more info about this, the name of the guy getting shot at is Deandre Brunston
QuoteJubilee Shine, Compton, CA
In August, 2003, deputies fired 81 shots at unarmed 24 year old Deandre Brunston after putting an attack K9 on him following 30 minutes of negotiation, killing him and the dog, violating all arrest procedures. (They airlifted the dog to trauma center and left Deandre to bleed until the next morning.) The order to release the K9 was given over cell phone by Lt. Patrick Maxwell from a Sunday night drinking party over the shouting protest of the K9 officer on the scene, Earnest Burwell, who Maxwell ordered away, and who then quit as deputy, agreed to testify, and is now hiding for his life from his former co-workers.
Lt. Patrick Maxwell was suspended five days in 2003 for killing a suspect who had fled into the San Gabriel River, shooting him with projectiles from land for 3 hours until he drowned.
Maxwell was the lieutenant who decided to use road flares to "burn out" an suspect who had been hiding in a house near Palmdale. The man died of gunshot wounds and burns.
In Torrance in 1990, Maxwell shot and killed an unarmed mistaken suspect who was face down on the ground.
In 1999, Maxwell was assigned as Sheriff Lee Baca's personal assistant and driver. He was then promoted to head of K9 units for the entire Los Angeles County.
Compton does not need these maurading white supremacist killers. It needs local control of local cops.
from: http://www.copwatchla.org/newsaction.cgi?article=9999999811202.995513459621
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QuoteDeandre Brunston
Los Angeles, August 2003
Cops Shoot Man and Dog-- Rush Dog to the Hospital
Deandre Brunston, whose nickname was Trey, was a 24 year old African-American. On Sunday, August 24, 2003, a gang of LA County Sheriffs shot him to death on the front stoop of a tiny apartment in a dirt-poor section of Los Angeles called Willowbrook.
Earlier this year, Trey enrolled in a drug treatment program. He went for a couple of weeks but he couldn't hang with it and soon dropped out. The Sheriffs claimed that Trey "had an outstanding arrest warrant for narcotics." Nicole said that if the Sheriffs had arrested Trey, he would have been referred back to the treatment program and not sent to prison.
On the day he was killed, Trey was unusually angry about something. Around 7 pm, he argued with both Nicole and his girlfriend Fonda. The conflict escalated and got physical. He punched Nicole who called the Sheriff to report the assault. Ninety minutes passed and the cops had not shown up. Nicole, eight months pregnant, started feeling sick. Nicole had forgotten about calling the cops by then and called the paramedics instead. When an ambulance arrived, so did the Sheriffs. The Sheriffs went to an apartment across the way where Trey's aunt lives. Nicole's daughter told the cops that he had gone over there after leaving Nicole's place. Trey must have seen the cops coming because he jumped out of an upstairs window and ran down the street. A grip of Sheriffs with their guns drawn were close behind.
Trey ran down a driveway toward some tiny apartments down the block. Latino immigrants stayed in all of these places. Trey stopped on the porch in front of one apartment and witnesses said they thought he tried to talk to the people inside. But they spoke Spanish and Trey spoke English. All the while, more and more Sheriffs kept showing up. A helicopter overhead ordered people in Spanish to go back into their homes. The cops said that Trey "barricaded himself on the porch of a nearby home" and "told the deputies that he had a gun and threatened to kill them." But the porch in front of the tiny apartment was barren. There was no railing, no furniture, no items of any kind that could be used in a desperate attempt to shield oneself from guns of the police. Trey was surrounded and completely exposed to the cops.
Meanwhile, a Sheriff interviewed Nicole at a nearby hospital. He asked Nicole if she knew someone named Deandre Brunston. He said that Deandre had two guns and they had already taken one away from him. Nicole told the cop that there was no way that her friend had a gun. She heard cops talking on the radio about a man on a porch. She told the cop again and again, "he has no gun." Then Nicole heard a voice on the radio say a "man was down." One cop had a dog. The cops used the dog to attack Trey and then shot Trey many, many times. In this hail of police bullets, the cops also shot their own dog. The front of tiny apartment was left pockmarked with bullet holes.
Neighbors saw the cops dragging Trey down the dirt driveway. One man offered to help the cops carry him, but they told everyone to get back in the house. All of this has weighed heavily on neighbors who speak fearfully about what they had seen. Then the Sheriffs added further outrage to this cruel act of police brutality: a medivac helicopter landed nearby and the Sheriffs carried the dog to the helicopter and rushed it to a veterinarian hospital. They left Trey to lie in the dirt by that tiny apartment until 5 am the next day.
from http://www.refuseandresist.org/brutality/art.php?aid=1098
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QuotePoor dog. That would have been 2 and a half hard minutes for his partner/handler. A friend of mine was a K9 officer and I watched him train a couple of times. Those dogs are highly trained... but I don't know why he would have been released at that time.
I also doubt the "shot 81 times" in the title.
I wonder what the real story on that video was.
Subject: Deandre "Trey" Brunston, Compton California, August 2003
Full length police video is here (about 20 minutes):
http://myspace.com/jubileeshine
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It was quite possibly a non-compliant dog used for extreme scenarios such as sieges and involved when people have weapons. Unfortunately they are not considered in the same light as general purpose police dogs and are just another use of force, another officer response option, so sadly although maybe upsetting, it would be half expected ![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]")
The officer probably felt the oppurtunity was there to release the dog as a resolution. Its quite possible that when the dog was on the move thats when the guy reached for whatever he reached for and then got shot.
Just summising but seems quite reasonable possibility
The officer probably felt the oppurtunity was there to release the dog as a resolution. Its quite possible that when the dog was on the move thats when the guy reached for whatever he reached for and then got shot.
Just summising but seems quite reasonable possibility
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QuoteThe police doesn't shot anyone just for the fun of it, this guy must have done something pretty bad, but to feel bad for an animal and let a human die like that is insulting.
I imagine that the bond between the cop and the dog was very strong so the cop would naturally be preoccupied by the fact that his dog was dying. May sound harsh but people tend to prioritise and the gunman had just moments before been waving a gun around. In fairness the man was aware of the consequences of his actions. The dog on the other hand was simply an innocent creature doing what humans trained it to do.
They airlifted the dog to trauma center and left Deandre to bleed until the next morning
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I doubt they would leave a living man to bleed to death.
***Maxwell was the lieutenant who decided to use road flares to "burn out" an suspect who had been hiding in a house near Palmdale. The man died of gunshot wounds and burns.
That is better than sending your men in to possibly be ambushed by the guy. When they say "come out with your hands up", come out with your hands up. I would not want to have to storm a house with an armed man in it. He was probably concerned about the well being of his own officers.
QuoteCompton does not need these maurading white supremacist killers.
Where is the evidence that race is the predominant factor in these incidents.
QuoteNeighbors saw the cops dragging Trey down the dirt driveway.
With the amount of bullets that hit him, I doubt he was alive when they dragged him.
The web links that you are posting, with names like copwatch and"refuse and resist" they hardly sound like objective oversite groups. Anyway I was not here to bash the deceased gunman, I do feel sympathy for his family, I just thought I wanted to post about the tragedy of the poor dog who was the innocent one here.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
I doubt they would leave a living man to bleed to death.
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Like the big LA bank robbery shoot out?!
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Richards 0
QuoteLike the big LA bank robbery shoot out?!
I'm not familiar with the facts on that one, can you please summarise?
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QuoteQuoteLike the big LA bank robbery shoot out?!
I'm not familiar with the facts on that one, can you please summarise?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
go down 3/4 of the way and read the 'outcome' section.
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bazelos 0
QuoteI imagine that the bond between the cop and the dog was very strong so the cop would naturally be preoccupied by the fact that his dog was dying. May sound harsh but people tend to prioritise and the gunman had just moments before been waving a gun around. In fairness the man was aware of the consequences of his actions. The dog on the other hand was simply an innocent creature doing what humans trained it to do.
I am not debating the shooting, he probably got what was comming to him. Whether or not he was left to die, that I don't know, but at the end of the film one of the officer attends to the dog, while his buddies are pointing guns to the (dead?) guy. Surely they should try to help the suspect first?
QuoteThe web links that you are posting, with names like copwatch and"refuse and resist" they hardly sound like objective oversite groups. Anyway I was not here to bash the deceased gunman, I do feel sympathy for his family, I just thought I wanted to post about the tragedy of the poor dog who was the innocent one here.
Don't get me wrong, the only reason I posted these links is because they where the only few links I found about the incident, they seem to be biased but at least they do give some info about the video.
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Richards 0
Sounds like in that one they tried to prevent him from bleeding to death.
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Richards 0
QuoteI am not debating the shooting, he probably got what was comming to him. Whether or not he was left to die, that I don't know, but at the end of the film one of the officer attends to the dog, while his buddies are pointing guns to the (dead?) guy. Surely they should try to help the suspect first?
From a sterilised after the fact perspective I suppose that would be the appropriate thing to do, but again this was a tense standoff. A dog can become as close to a person as a family member. For the dog handler, he must have seemed like a real partner. Imagine you train with a dog every day, work with him for years, drive around every day with him as your sole companion in your vehicle, and even make one way small talk with him. You know he is feircely loyal to the point where he would put his own life in peril to protect yours, and he may have already saved your life at one point. Then one night due to a crazy dirtbag with a gun, some hyped up cops, and perhaps a handling error on your part he gets shot up doing his duty. In that situation I might be overwhelmed with concern for the dog. Not correct procedure perhaps but the cops are only human.
I can see what you are saying but I do sympathise with the cop on this one.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
From a sterilised after the fact perspective I suppose that would be the appropriate thing to do, but again this was a tense standoff. A dog can become as close to a person as a family member. For the dog handler, he must have seemed like a real partner. Imagine you train with a dog every day, work with him for years, drive around every day with him as your sole companion in your vehicle, and even make one way small talk with him. You know he is feircely loyal to the point where he would put his own life in peril to protect yours, and he may have already saved your life at one point. Then one night due to a crazy dirtbag with a gun, some hyped up cops, and perhaps a handling error on your part he gets shot up doing his duty. In that situation I might be overwhelmed with concern for the dog. Not correct procedure perhaps but the cops are only human.
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From a legal stand point it may very well be the wrong answer, but IMO the Police officer gets treatment first, whether it be human or animal. Of course this is coming from someone who has a dog that never leaves my side, so if it came down to treating my dog, or treating a person who created the incident that got my dog shot, my dog comes first.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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QuoteSounds like in that one they tried to prevent him from bleeding to death.
The LAPD was later criticized for refusing to allow Matasareanu to receive medical attention, which could have been life-saving;
During the trial, the lawyer of Matasareanu's children, Stephen Yagman, showed jurors a news videotape that showed two police officers slapping hands in a congratulatory gesture; one of the officers then kicks the handcuffed suspect. A photo taken by a press photographer--who had managed get so close that Matasareanu had begun yelling curse words at him--showed Officer John Futrell smirking as he pushed Matasareanu's face into the pavement.
Yeah...I guess that's ONE way of interpeting it!
I'm not saying these two didn't have coming what they got, but if you honestly believe police don't DO that sort of thing, you aren't being realistic.
There was a case in San Diego some years back where one of the arresting officers in a robbery attempt, gave the wounded suspect continual 'CPR'...(at least the pressing down part, no mouth to mouth)...until the guy bled out from a stomach wound. I was noted by witness that the suspect was conscious and asking the cop to stop it.
If you're conscious, doubtful CPR is really needed.
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so if it came down to treating my dog, or treating a person who created the incident that got my dog shot, my dog comes first.
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Thank you for making my point.
And for the record, that's the way it SHOULD be!
When a bad guy hurts a good guy...(or dog) ...he goes to the end of the line for aid.
If someone doesn't believe it should be so, in the 'real world'... then they aren't living in the REAL WORLD!
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Uhh...am I the only one here who is thinking "fuck the dog"?
Jesus-Fucking-Christ, there is a warning to dog lovers that the video shows a dog being shot. (Apparently by individuals whose motive may have been that the dog had a better chance for promotion...based on intelligence testing.)
That a person is shot and killed...well, apparently that is mild viewing.
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Jesus-Fucking-Christ, there is a warning to dog lovers that the video shows a dog being shot. (Apparently by individuals whose motive may have been that the dog had a better chance for promotion...based on intelligence testing.)
That a person is shot and killed...well, apparently that is mild viewing.
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QuoteUhh...am I the only one here who is thinking "fuck the dog"?
That a person is shot and killed...well, apparently that is mild viewing.
I honestly understand your point... but the dog was innocent in this entire dealing. He didn't start the fight, call the cops, or even ask to be drug out on a dark and cold night to go and bite someone. But yet... he took a bullet.
The person in question did deserve a better death. I will definately grant you that. But how much did he contribute to the final response. There are bad cops, and bad decisions made by officers... and bad outcomes... meaning people die. But.... I don't think this guy was completely innocent in this situation (by some of the background now provided, he was beating his pregnant girlfriend....).
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My post was not an attempt to debate whether or not lethal force was warranted. I just can't get over the fact that in the introduction to a video in which a human being is shot to death, this fact is treated as an afterthought.
It's chilling.
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It's chilling.
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I would fire the cops, the next thing they shoot in error will be each other.
I would have traded a cop for the dog.
But like I said, I like animals better than people.
I would have traded a cop for the dog.
But like I said, I like animals better than people.
I just can't get over the fact that in the introduction to a video in which a human being is shot to death, this fact is treated as an afterthought.
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the man was beating his girlfriend, he should be considered one of the lowest forms of life on Earth, and deserved a death. the dog, serving the public, hold his actions on high and do everything you can to save him.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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Quotethe man was beating his girlfriend, he should be considered one of the lowest forms of life on Earth, and deserved a death. the dog, serving the public, hold his actions on high and do everything you can to save him.
It is the judicial system's place to judge, not the police officers'.
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I'm not a cop so I do not know what the correct procedure is in a situation like that. I guess I was more bothered by the poor dog getting it, and curious as to why the dog wasn't kept under tighter grips if they were getting ready to fire.
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