quade 4 #1 December 14, 2006 Interesting CNN.com Editorial HERE by a fairly surprising author. Pretty much sums up my current views.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #2 December 14, 2006 because everyone knows GOD LOVES MY POLITICAL PARTY MORE THAN YOURS! SO THERE! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #3 December 14, 2006 Wow. That's a great outlook.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 December 14, 2006 What happened to Christians is what happened to "Neocons" is what happened to "bleeding heart liberals" is what happened to "hippies" is what happened to... As a group, they took themselves too seriously. As a group, they thought their way was THE way and the ONLY right way. This almost always leads to resentment by the masses, who eventually say, "Who the hell are YOU to tell ME?" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #5 December 15, 2006 That is a really beautiful editorial. I think I'd like Christianity a lot better if more Christians shared Jay Bakker's attitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hajnalka 0 #6 December 15, 2006 Liked that editorial. Have a problem with the use of the term "Christian" though. I still love Christians - followers of Christ (though I must admit I'm not one myself.) They're so humble. They never judge. They don't bother with labels or groups or individual sins. They do so much good behind the scenes - no chance of recognition or accolades for their help and sacrifice. They would deny it if it were offered! Most of all, they try to help people down on their luck - the outcast, the misfits, the downtrodden. They hang out with sinners. They're the first to acknowledge their own faults. They know the Gospels well, and they try to follow their teachings: Above all, they know they are NOT of this world, but for the next. So - why get involved in debate or politics? Answer: they don't. They'd never consider it. Jesus didn't, and he was pretty outspoken about this. So, they watch the world evolve as Caesar (read: government) does what it does. They sit and watch and wait for heaven/judgement (rather prosaically) and sacrifice and help anyone whenever possible and live good lives, the best they can. I've been watching world events .... and this forum .... for some time. I just found out that a dear man I've known for 10 years is deeply Christian - a follower of Jesus. You'd never know it - the most laid-back, coolest dude ever. Never judging, never preaching, always helping and enriching. A strong presence in many lives in the skydiving world. But now I think back to the gospels that I learned as a child, and I think, "OF COURSE!" I'll bet my last dollar that there are many, many others out there like him. I feel really sorry for them that "Christian" has become a dirty word for some (and almost for me, although I'm sticking with "religious right" for now.) I'm sure we'll never hear from him . He, and others like him, will just continue to live like Jesus told them to, and they'll keep on doing their good stuff .... behind the scenes. I love that my friend will continue to rejoice when he sees me doing good, and will never, ever tell me that I'm going to hell when I die . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #7 December 15, 2006 QuoteChristians ..... They're so humble. They never judge. Really? In whose world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #8 December 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteChristians ..... They're so humble. They never judge. Really? In whose world? Its in Super Happy Fun Land where ducks grow on trees and steaks roam free.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #9 December 15, 2006 QuoteIts in Super Happy Fun Land where ducks grow on trees and steaks roam free. Which rifle should I buy to go steak hunting with my blind muslim immigrant friend?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #10 December 15, 2006 Actually a TRUE Christian... one who follows the word of Christ is humble, doesn't judge. The problem is that there are so many 'Christians' that have warped the original teachings and give the rest of them a bad name. The predominance of 'Christians' is why I completely left organized religion. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #11 December 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteChristians ..... They're so humble. They never judge. Really? In whose world? Believers do not have to "judge" unbelievers. QuoteHe that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 December 15, 2006 QuoteWhat happened to Christians is what happened to "Neocons" is what happened to "bleeding heart liberals" is what happened to "hippies" is what happened to... As a group, they took themselves too seriously. As a group, they thought their way was THE way and the ONLY right way. This almost always leads to resentment by the masses, who eventually say, "Who the hell are YOU to tell ME?" I'll take a different 2nd paragraph (I don't think "they" took themselves too seriously, only a handle of them did and they started getting into politics. The rest, and most, are just as decent as always) - as a group, they are still out there, but we don't see that anymore. The term used for them has been coopted by one political party in an attempt to garner membership, while the opposite political party has taken efforts to demonize the term in order counter that effort. Therefore the term doesn't apply to the real christians anymore, it only applies to stereotypes based on the most extreme types that don't really get it. it's very analogous to the term "liberal" which was also twisted into an us vs them thing instead of just defining the more open minded across the entire political spectrum ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #13 December 15, 2006 QuoteActually a TRUE Christian... one who follows the word of Christ is humble, doesn't judge. The problem is that there are so many 'Christians' that have warped the original teachings and give the rest of them a bad name. The predominance of 'Christians' is why I completely left organized religion. It wouldn't matter if every Christian was a total doormat, we'd still hear the same BS from unbelievers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orribolollie 0 #14 December 15, 2006 Politics, racism, guns, womens rights.....ill tackle any of those. But a view on a particular religion, sorry not even im that masochistic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 December 15, 2006 QuoteIt wouldn't matter if every Christian was a total doormat, we'd still hear the same BS from unbelievers. Do you really think so? I'm almost certain I've never berated anybody for their religion if that person left me alone. I mean, think about it. How many religions are there in this world? If the people practicing those religions keep to themselves and don't bother anybody, do you really have a compelling reason to give them crap? Seriously, I don't give a crap if the guy next door is a full on Satan worshiper if he keeps it to himself. Why should you?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #16 December 16, 2006 >It wouldn't matter if every Christian was a total doormat, we'd >still hear the same BS from unbelievers. Oh, I think that if buddhists were as aggressive as some christians, you'd hear everyone complaining about them, too. But since they tend to not evangelize, people don't get as riled at them. I'm a christian, and I get annoyed at some of the more fervent christians telling people that this guy and that woman are going to hell. Certainly not all christians do that, but a very vocal minority do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #17 December 16, 2006 Here are some folks who are really helping improve the image.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #18 December 16, 2006 >It wouldn't matter if every Christian was a total doormat, we'd >still hear the same BS from unbelievers. Oh, I think that if buddhists were as aggressive as some christians, you'd hear everyone complaining about them, too. But since they tend to not evangelize, people don't get as riled at them. I'm a christian, and I get annoyed at some of the more fervent christians telling people that this guy and that woman are going to hell. Certainly not all christians do that, but a very vocal minority do. QuoteIt's not the people that ticks off the unbelievers, it's the message. Telling someone that they will never be good enough on their own to make the grade just doesn't set well with most people. Christianity is the only religion that make this claim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #19 December 16, 2006 QuoteThat is a really beautiful editorial. I think I'd like Christianity a lot better if more Christians shared Jay Bakker's attitude Me too, I think the bible has some very good morals, i liked the part that read, The Apostle Paul describes this idea of love beautifully in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7: "Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance." that statement could be tweaked by the likes of GWB for self gain. But if interpreted as it is actually written, is a wonderful statement that should be adopted by christians and non christians alike and the world would be a much better place to be."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #20 December 16, 2006 Quote>It wouldn't matter if every Christian was a total doormat, we'd >still hear the same BS from unbelievers. Oh, I think that if buddhists were as aggressive as some christians, you'd hear everyone complaining about them, too. But since they tend to not evangelize, people don't get as riled at them. I'm a christian, and I get annoyed at some of the more fervent christians telling people that this guy and that woman are going to hell. Certainly not all christians do that, but a very vocal minority do. QuoteIt's not the people that ticks off the unbelievers, it's the message. Telling someone that they will never be good enough on their own to make the grade just doesn't set well with most people. Christianity is the only religion that make this claim. Controlling behavior of the "my way or the highway" variety is certainly falling out of favor as people become better educated.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,500 #21 December 16, 2006 Quote Here are some folks who are really helping improve the image. I think I'm going to be sickDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #22 December 16, 2006 QuoteControlling behavior of the "my way or the highway" variety is certainly falling out of favor as people become better educated. This country has been subjected to that for years.. The Religeous Wrong wants everyone to live by THEIR brand of Morality. If they could they would legislate it even more than they have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #23 December 16, 2006 QuoteThe Religeous Wrong wants everyone to live by THEIR brand of Morality. If they could they would legislate it even more than they have. Not our brand of morality....God's. This is the reason for the season. Merry Christmas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #24 December 16, 2006 So we are back to separation of church and state... I do not want morality legislated... The Bible is fairly clear about FREE WILL and choosing ones own path.... not having that path chosen by the little old man down the block who couldnt get laid when he was young let alone now. The old JUDGE not lest ye be judged comes to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,006 #25 December 16, 2006 > Telling someone that they will never be good enough on their own >to make the grade just doesn't set well with most people. Christianity >is the only religion that make this claim I'd recommend reading up on a few other religions. There are quite a few that claim you will go to hell (or get reincarnated, which is 'hell' for many Hindus) without divine intervention. But in any case, people don't get mad when they learn about new religions. They get mad that they are told over and over that THEY don't measure up to other people's expectations. If Hindus were constantly carping about the "war on Vishnu," held protests in front of stores that celebrate christmas instead of Vijayadashami, and constantly were coming to your door trying to "save" you from your silly belief in a scary pointy-horned pitchfork-wielding devil - you'd get annoyed at them, too. 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rhys 0 #19 December 16, 2006 QuoteThat is a really beautiful editorial. I think I'd like Christianity a lot better if more Christians shared Jay Bakker's attitude Me too, I think the bible has some very good morals, i liked the part that read, The Apostle Paul describes this idea of love beautifully in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7: "Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance." that statement could be tweaked by the likes of GWB for self gain. But if interpreted as it is actually written, is a wonderful statement that should be adopted by christians and non christians alike and the world would be a much better place to be."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #20 December 16, 2006 Quote>It wouldn't matter if every Christian was a total doormat, we'd >still hear the same BS from unbelievers. Oh, I think that if buddhists were as aggressive as some christians, you'd hear everyone complaining about them, too. But since they tend to not evangelize, people don't get as riled at them. I'm a christian, and I get annoyed at some of the more fervent christians telling people that this guy and that woman are going to hell. Certainly not all christians do that, but a very vocal minority do. QuoteIt's not the people that ticks off the unbelievers, it's the message. Telling someone that they will never be good enough on their own to make the grade just doesn't set well with most people. Christianity is the only religion that make this claim. Controlling behavior of the "my way or the highway" variety is certainly falling out of favor as people become better educated.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,500 #21 December 16, 2006 Quote Here are some folks who are really helping improve the image. I think I'm going to be sickDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #22 December 16, 2006 QuoteControlling behavior of the "my way or the highway" variety is certainly falling out of favor as people become better educated. This country has been subjected to that for years.. The Religeous Wrong wants everyone to live by THEIR brand of Morality. If they could they would legislate it even more than they have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #23 December 16, 2006 QuoteThe Religeous Wrong wants everyone to live by THEIR brand of Morality. If they could they would legislate it even more than they have. Not our brand of morality....God's. This is the reason for the season. Merry Christmas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #24 December 16, 2006 So we are back to separation of church and state... I do not want morality legislated... The Bible is fairly clear about FREE WILL and choosing ones own path.... not having that path chosen by the little old man down the block who couldnt get laid when he was young let alone now. The old JUDGE not lest ye be judged comes to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,006 #25 December 16, 2006 > Telling someone that they will never be good enough on their own >to make the grade just doesn't set well with most people. Christianity >is the only religion that make this claim I'd recommend reading up on a few other religions. There are quite a few that claim you will go to hell (or get reincarnated, which is 'hell' for many Hindus) without divine intervention. But in any case, people don't get mad when they learn about new religions. They get mad that they are told over and over that THEY don't measure up to other people's expectations. If Hindus were constantly carping about the "war on Vishnu," held protests in front of stores that celebrate christmas instead of Vijayadashami, and constantly were coming to your door trying to "save" you from your silly belief in a scary pointy-horned pitchfork-wielding devil - you'd get annoyed at them, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jakee 1,500 #21 December 16, 2006 Quote Here are some folks who are really helping improve the image. I think I'm going to be sickDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 December 16, 2006 QuoteControlling behavior of the "my way or the highway" variety is certainly falling out of favor as people become better educated. This country has been subjected to that for years.. The Religeous Wrong wants everyone to live by THEIR brand of Morality. If they could they would legislate it even more than they have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #23 December 16, 2006 QuoteThe Religeous Wrong wants everyone to live by THEIR brand of Morality. If they could they would legislate it even more than they have. Not our brand of morality....God's. This is the reason for the season. Merry Christmas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #24 December 16, 2006 So we are back to separation of church and state... I do not want morality legislated... The Bible is fairly clear about FREE WILL and choosing ones own path.... not having that path chosen by the little old man down the block who couldnt get laid when he was young let alone now. The old JUDGE not lest ye be judged comes to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #25 December 16, 2006 > Telling someone that they will never be good enough on their own >to make the grade just doesn't set well with most people. Christianity >is the only religion that make this claim I'd recommend reading up on a few other religions. There are quite a few that claim you will go to hell (or get reincarnated, which is 'hell' for many Hindus) without divine intervention. But in any case, people don't get mad when they learn about new religions. They get mad that they are told over and over that THEY don't measure up to other people's expectations. If Hindus were constantly carping about the "war on Vishnu," held protests in front of stores that celebrate christmas instead of Vijayadashami, and constantly were coming to your door trying to "save" you from your silly belief in a scary pointy-horned pitchfork-wielding devil - you'd get annoyed at them, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
