England: "Ban" Air Guns

[JohnRich 4]

News:

Sheridan to target air gun ban

"SOCIALIST MSP Tommy Sheridan today unveiled plans for a Bill to ban air guns. The proposed legislation which would see the weapons restricted to registered gun clubs.

"Under the Bill, all air guns would be securely stored in gun clubs or by local authorities for pest control purposes. Anyone keeping a gun elsewhere would be breaking the law and would face a criminal charge.

"Mr Sheridan said: 'All of us have a vested interest in safer communities. We seek maximum peace of mind for our children and the wider community. Small step changes can be made quickly to make our streets safer and one such change is the banning of all air rifles and pistols.'"

Source: Scotsman.com

Note: this proposal wouldn't actually ban ownership. It would just mean that you can't keep the airgun in your own home - you would have to store it and use it only at a gun club.

It's okay, however, to have shotguns in your home!

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John John John....

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While this would be a horrible idea for the US, this is a great idea for England. Imagine what kind of ruckus would break loose if any hooligan on the street could have access to air guns?

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[NCclimber 0]

You'll put your eye out, kid!

[shropshire 0]

I really enjoyed mine when I was younger... They dont really have any point but are fun & I wouldn't ban then - Daft Idea IMHO

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[orribolollie 0]

I actually know that one in one hundred sorry twat who could loose his eye to kids playing with air guns

yep, he did 16 years old shot in the eye with an air gun pop no eye

[SkyDekker 1,465]

but think of the animals it will save:

http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/12/19/2876650-sun.html

[shropshire 0]

It's a fair point () - but could happen with a dart or a sharpe stick or..... countless other things. Y'can't wrap folk up in cotton wool forever... Shit WILL happen to some people, some of the times.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Woah! JohnRich and a gun thread! Surprising news, I'm lost

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[JohnRich 4]

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Woah! JohnRich and a gun thread! Surprising news, I'm lost

In the month of December, I've started eight threads in Speaker's Corner. Only two of those have been about guns.

So, yes, you are lost yet again.

Do you ever have anything constructive to offer?

[JohnRich 4]

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I actually know that one in one hundred sorry twat who could loose his eye to kids playing with air guns

And your point is what?

Do you think that air guns should be banned from homes, to attempt to prevent the occasional accident?

Are you willing to see people go to jail for having an air gun in their home, even though they haven't done anything to threaten or harm anyone with them?

Do you want to criminalize mere possession, rather than first requiring that someone actually do something wrong?

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Note: this proposal wouldn't actually ban ownership. It would just mean that you can't keep the airgun in your own home - you would have to store it and use it only at a gun club.

It's okay, however, to have shotguns in your home!

What's the point of that? Air guns are the only thing you can shoot inside your home without worying about things like bullet stops and ventilation.

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In the month of December, I've started eight threads in Speaker's Corner. Only two of those have been about guns.

It's a good thing that one gun thread per month law didn't get passed.

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While this would be a horrible idea for the US, this is a great idea for England. Imagine what kind of ruckus would break loose if any hooligan on the street could have access to air guns?

Perhaps they are thinking of the problems caused by Prof. James Moriarty or Col. Sebastian Moran.

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hummm dose pneumatic nail guns ? how about straws and spit wads?

and I thought we had it bad in Canada.

What every happened to tacking responsability for your actions and failing that your parents making shure you do ?

I use to go in the woods all the time with an airgun as a Kid one thing that stands out is my father making it quite clear to me to never shoot a living thing unless your going to eat it, trophy hunting will never be tolerated in his household.

I still hold on to that eaven though I hunt I dont hunt for trophy I hung for good eats.

SO this one time at band camp.....

"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."

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They dont really have any point but are fun & I wouldn't ban then - Daft Idea IMHO

If they are fun then that is kinda the point isn't it???? I am not sure I understand your statement. Do expensive trap, sporting clays, and exotic target guns have no point as well?

btw. I have had eaten my fair share of game harvested with an Air Powered Firearm.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[Andy9o8 2]

I find it hard to get myself worked up into a boner about what the Brits do and do not do re: their guns.

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News:

Sheridan to target air gun ban

"SOCIALIST MSP Tommy Sheridan...

Does this mean that they will only be banned in Scotland?

He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.

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England: "Ban" Air Guns

Christ John at least get the chuffing right country!

This is news from SCOTLAND about what a SCOTTISH MP wants to propose.

edited to add: ps it's a moronic idea. Glad it's not being floated in my country. That said - it has next to zero chance of making it through their Parliament.

[CornishChris 5]

Your title would indicate that England had already banned airguns. This, like many other proposals from MPs all over the world, is unlikely to ever get anywhere.

I draw your attention to this:

"unveiled plans for a Bill "

Quite a long way from a ban methinks.

I had an airgun as a child - it was so powerful that if you shot a pigeon it would just look a bit annoyed and fly off. Banning them is pretty pointless.

Also Scotland is not England in the same way that Canada is not America.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[Skyrad 0]

John takes ALOT of flak for his gun posts but I'm glad he posted this one as its quite interesting. Also John makes a good point that under this proposal it would be legal to keep shotguns at home (It would also be legal to keep other firearms at home).
This is really a desperate attempt by a discredited Sottish MP from a minority Socialist party that will never be in power to divert attention from his continued sex scandle. I wouldn't worry about this proposed bill as I doubt that he will be in his job for much longer and strongly suspect that he will soon be in prison himself for purjory and deception.

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1521&id=1462932006

The very fact that the majority of UK gun clubs do NOT have secured premisis and that as John pointed out that firearms will still be legally held at home show this to be a desperate attempt to jump on the public bandwagon to recover support for a sleezebag commie.
On a further note, John and I have disagreed on a regular basis about many things but it would be nice if people read the post and judged it on its merits or otherwise rather than just seeing who posted it and writing it off straight away.
Cheers
J

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[christelsabine 1]

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Do you ever have anything constructive to offer?

Yes dear JR, I have - I could provide a fine trip report about the weeks I recently spent in the Kalahari desert of South Africa and Botswana and my visit to Kruger Park - but wouldn't that be kinda spin-off?

So, coming back to your ""Ban" Air Guns.... " - there's nothing intelligent to say on it, so: I'm lost. You're right.

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John - geography lesson for you I think, however, the points beeen already made. Still, I was once asked in the states if "Scatchland" was next to London....not quite.

I'd imagine if they banned air guns around the area where I grew up the biodiversity may well have been seriously effected due to population explosion of birds and rabbits and what have you.

I wouldn't ban the air guns - perhaps improve methods of keeping them away from 13 - 15 year old boys. Most are little bastards at this age when it comes to shooting anything that moves - with the only care being to achieve a shot on target.

Such as incidents like:

6 young teenagers shooting the same cow until it was literally somersaulting across the field.

Teenagers shooting a bull in the balls. The slap of the impact, the poor beast collapsing, screaming, and trying to lick its nuts simultaneously.

Shooting people bending to roll their bowl on the arse at the local bowling green in the summer.

A teenager sniping a particular gentlemans dog in the intent of driving it into a bit of a frenzy, yet killing the poor wee dog stone dead.

Days avoiding school, throwing bread onto the opposite terraced house row to shoot the birds, from bedroom windows. Then the inevitable collection of the carcasses - bin bags worth.

Trust me - this cannot be justified as normal behaviour. I'd classify it as low level evil.
Yet it happens all the time - or at least did, prior to the popularity of games consoles.

My point is that how people use their weapons cannot ever be properly policed. Inevitably there will be misuse. So why have them?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[Skyrad 0]

I agree all those things are sick but while I agree I'd like to see responsible use of airweapons I'd also like to see a change in the cultral yob mentality that is ruining our society.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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John - geography lesson for you I think, however, the points beeen already made. Still, I was once asked in the states if "Scatchland" was next to London....not quite.

I'd imagine if they banned air guns around the area where I grew up the biodiversity may well have been seriously effected due to population explosion of birds and rabbits and what have you.

I wouldn't ban the air guns - perhaps improve methods of keeping them away from 13 - 15 year old boys. Most are little bastards at this age when it comes to shooting anything that moves - with the only care being to achieve a shot on target.

Such as incidents like:

6 young teenagers shooting the same cow until it was literally somersaulting across the field.

Teenagers shooting a bull in the balls. The slap of the impact, the poor beast collapsing, screaming, and trying to lick its nuts simultaneously.

Shooting people bending to roll their bowl on the arse at the local bowling green in the summer.

A teenager sniping a particular gentlemans dog in the intent of driving it into a bit of a frenzy, yet killing the poor wee dog stone dead.

Days avoiding school, throwing bread onto the opposite terraced house row to shoot the birds, from bedroom windows. Then the inevitable collection of the carcasses - bin bags worth.

Trust me - this cannot be justified as normal behaviour. I'd classify it as low level evil.
Yet it happens all the time - or at least did, prior to the popularity of games consoles.

My point is that how people use their weapons cannot ever be properly policed. Inevitably there will be misuse. So why have them?

It's funny how this doesn't seem to be a major problem here in the states, where both firearms and air rifles are everywhere. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the age limit has been raised, I know that when I was younger, you only had to be 16 to walk into a Wal-Mart and buy an air rifle.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.