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You know, today isn't a day for conspiracy theories or debunking of same. I think it's more a day to spend with our families thinking about what we have, not what other people might or might not have done.
So anyway, have a great christmas! We can worry about who blew up what later.
So anyway, have a great christmas! We can worry about who blew up what later.
two40 0
all i can say is the rich and powerful in your country are bending you over one by one and giving it to you without lube. this is just one example. hope you enjoy it.
rhys 0
no, they couldn't get two lines there?
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
busaunit 0
600 billion spent on the war on terror
around 10 billion spent on new orleans
enough said
around 10 billion spent on new orleans
enough said
rhys 0
You too Bill, and everyone for that matter.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
sundevil777 102
Quote600 billion spent on the war on terror
around 10 billion spent on new orleans
enough said
The only thing I understand from your statement is that more should be spent on helping New Orleans.
It is not "enough said" to understand if you mean anything more than this, such as whether the disparity is evidence that the WTC attack was a conspiracy by the government.
If New Orleans isn't getting enough money for rebuilding, is it the fault of the president alone? Are his political opponents powerless to increase funding?
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
billvon 2,990
Hope you had a good christmas! Back to the matter at hand:
>The source of those fires is a seam of coal that is being mined for
>its ability to burn so well.
Nope, the seams that are burning now are seams that are not commercially viable - too thin, too small. But fire doesn't care. Fire will burn almost anything that's flammable, no matter how small, how spread out and how thin.
>The floors were 'attched' to the central core so a sandwhich collapse
>would leave the central core standing? No?
Had a fully fueled 767 not destroyed most of the core at that level - that's possible. Keep in mind that the core of this building was NOT designed as a stand-alone structure; it was only stable with the addition of the external structural elements (i.e. the external frame.)
>"It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see
>professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors
>and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop" That's exactly what --
>because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that's
> when I saw the building coming down." [Daniel Rivera - Paramedic
>(E.M.S.)]
I once had the misfortune to hear a small plane crash. There was a thud, then a slam-slam-slam as small pieces rebounded away from the impact. And that was about one one-hundred-thousandth of the mass making all that noise. No explosions.
Lots of things sound like explosions that aren't. Anyone who's heard a cable under tension snap, or a landslide, or a high speed car collision has heard such noises.
>Now if that pop pop pop that the paramedic explained in the first of
>those comments was the windows blowing out because the
>phenomonon you explained much earlier. do you think he would still
>be alive today?
Uh - yes. Why would a pressure wave kill him?
>what are the noises and explosives immediately prior to the collapse.
Likely girders giving way, concrete beams snapping, and debris dropping 20-30 feet that began the proceess.
>Now, I dont think there sould have been a aircraft shaped hole in the
>building with a bit of soot around the hole, i do agree that part of the
> top of the building would have been weakend to the point of collapse.
OK.
>But the whole structure completely failing at the same time is not at
>all likely.
Right - it didn't, and the fact that it withstood the first impact is a testament to its design. It wasn't until that damage was combined with fire damage that the structure gave way.
>why does the 'Real story' talk 'Not' talk about the possibility of the said
>terrorists using such explosives?
Same reason they don't talk about the possibility of a meteor hitting both towers just before they fell, I suppose (although it's certainly possible!)
if you scroll down the page with the photos we have been talking about there are many links to different evidence related to the same topic.
>Look at the evidence of 'Shaped Charges' on the stumps of the central
>core structure with no bending and the residual evidence of isolated
>moulten metal associated with it.
I believe you are confusing your conspiracy theories now! Those stumps had been previously explained by thermite, not shaped charges.
Merry XmasSmile I'm now going on a Nice picnic with my beautiful partner.
>The source of those fires is a seam of coal that is being mined for
>its ability to burn so well.
Nope, the seams that are burning now are seams that are not commercially viable - too thin, too small. But fire doesn't care. Fire will burn almost anything that's flammable, no matter how small, how spread out and how thin.
>The floors were 'attched' to the central core so a sandwhich collapse
>would leave the central core standing? No?
Had a fully fueled 767 not destroyed most of the core at that level - that's possible. Keep in mind that the core of this building was NOT designed as a stand-alone structure; it was only stable with the addition of the external structural elements (i.e. the external frame.)
>"It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see
>professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors
>and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop" That's exactly what --
>because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that's
> when I saw the building coming down." [Daniel Rivera - Paramedic
>(E.M.S.)]
I once had the misfortune to hear a small plane crash. There was a thud, then a slam-slam-slam as small pieces rebounded away from the impact. And that was about one one-hundred-thousandth of the mass making all that noise. No explosions.
Lots of things sound like explosions that aren't. Anyone who's heard a cable under tension snap, or a landslide, or a high speed car collision has heard such noises.
>Now if that pop pop pop that the paramedic explained in the first of
>those comments was the windows blowing out because the
>phenomonon you explained much earlier. do you think he would still
>be alive today?
Uh - yes. Why would a pressure wave kill him?
>what are the noises and explosives immediately prior to the collapse.
Likely girders giving way, concrete beams snapping, and debris dropping 20-30 feet that began the proceess.
>Now, I dont think there sould have been a aircraft shaped hole in the
>building with a bit of soot around the hole, i do agree that part of the
> top of the building would have been weakend to the point of collapse.
OK.
>But the whole structure completely failing at the same time is not at
>all likely.
Right - it didn't, and the fact that it withstood the first impact is a testament to its design. It wasn't until that damage was combined with fire damage that the structure gave way.
>why does the 'Real story' talk 'Not' talk about the possibility of the said
>terrorists using such explosives?
Same reason they don't talk about the possibility of a meteor hitting both towers just before they fell, I suppose (although it's certainly possible!)
if you scroll down the page with the photos we have been talking about there are many links to different evidence related to the same topic.
>Look at the evidence of 'Shaped Charges' on the stumps of the central
>core structure with no bending and the residual evidence of isolated
>moulten metal associated with it.
I believe you are confusing your conspiracy theories now! Those stumps had been previously explained by thermite, not shaped charges.
Merry XmasSmile I'm now going on a Nice picnic with my beautiful partner.
kallend 2,026
Quote
Same reason they don't talk about the possibility of a meteor hitting both towers just before they fell, I suppose (although it's certainly possible!)
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IIRC, the targeted meteor shower was one tactic used by Ming the Merciless... Maybe we're looking at the wrong culprit! Where's Flash Gordon when you need him?
...
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
I have read that the heat was primarily created by the combustible objects in the building that were set on fire by the fuel and after the first 10 minutes, all fuel had burned completely. In addition, the vidoes clearly show molten aluminum flowing down the sides of the both buildings and I think aluminum melts at about 1600 or so.....I think it was probably much hotter than that and heat caused the exoskeleton to fail-which supports both buildings. I would bet that the popping sound was made from the high-torque bolts or revits "popping" under stress and other metal components withstanding treatment they were not designed to handle. I have read that the groans from the Titanic just before she broke in two were like no other anyone has ever experienced!
I read a really good book about the towers and it gave the best account as to why they collapsed......I will look for the book and post the title when I or if I find it......
"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"
I read a really good book about the towers and it gave the best account as to why they collapsed......I will look for the book and post the title when I or if I find it......
"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"
nanook 1
QuoteI read a really good book about the towers and it gave the best account as to why they collapsed......I will look for the book and post the title when I or if I find it......
According to Cartman, it was Kyle.
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rhys 0
Quote>Hope you had a good christmas!
Sure did, good company, good food, new team canopies, and a healthy re-numeration pacage to boot.Quote>The source of those fires is a seam of coal that is being mined for
>its ability to burn so well.
Nope, the seams that are burning now are seams that are not commercially viable - too thin, too small. But fire doesn't care. Fire will burn almost anything that's flammable, no matter how small, how spread out and how thin.
Come on Bill, not commercially viable - too thin, too small means it cost too much to get it out. this subject is getting way off tarck now
and to reply to the rest or your reply, thoery and story you seem to beleive. you can read this page,
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/WTC/they-lied-about-trusses.htm
it has all your engineering mumbo jumbo and calculations from someone that at least appears to know what they are talking about.
I have decided there is something fishy going on and it will be uncovered in the near future. I don't want to spend all my time thinking about it because what i say will not change a thing. There are plenty of people asking the right questions so if it is a lie it will not last. Who, what and why I am not entirly sure of for now. But this whole 911 carry on, the war on terror situation is not as we are told. I am sure of that.
In finishing contributing to this thread I will provide a poem/song that describes in a round about way a portion of the decline of (but not limited to) The United States of America.
"The Decline"
Where are all the stupid people from?
And how'd they get to be so dumb?
Bred on purple mountain range
Feed amber waves of grains
To lesser human beings, zero feelings
Blame it on
Human nature, mans destiny (mans destiny)
Blame it on the greediocracy (greediocracy)
Fear of God
The fear of change
The fear of truth
Add the Bill of Rights, subtract the wrongs
There's no answers
Memorize and sing star spangled songs
When the questions
Aren't ever asked
Is anybody learning from the past?
We're living in united stagnation
Father what have I done?
I took that .22
A gift to me from you
To bed with me each night
Kept it clean
Polished it well
Cherished every cartridge, every shell
Down, by the creek, under brush, under dirt
There's a carcass of my second kill
Down, by the park, under stone, under pine
There's a carcass of my brother William
Brother where, have you gone to?
I swear, I never thought I could
I see so many times
They told me to shoot straight
Don't pull the trigger, squeeze
That will insure a kill
A kill is what you want
A kill is why we breed
The Christians love their guns
The church and NRA
Pray for their salvations
Prey on the lower faiths
The story book's been read
And every line believed
Curriculum's been set
Logic is a threat
Reason searched and seized
Jerry spent some time in Michigan
A twenty year vacation, after all he had a dime
A dime is worth a lot more in Detroit
A dime in California, a twenty dollar fine
Jerry only stayed a couple months
It's hard to enjoy yourself while bleeding out the ass
Asphyxiation is simple and fast
It beats seventeen fun years of being someone's bitch
Don't think (Stay)
Drink your wine (Home)
Watch the fire burn (Be)
His problems not mine (Safe)
Just be that model citizen
I wish I had a schilling
For every senseless killing
I'd buy a government
America's for sale
And you can get a good deal on it
(A good deal on it)
And make a healthy profit
Or maybe, tear it apart
Start with assumption
That a million people are smart
Smarter than one
Serotonin's gone
She gave up, drifted away
Sara fled, thought process gone
She left her answering machine on
The greeting left spoken sincere
Messages no one will ever hear
Ten thousand messages a day
A million more transmissions lay
Victims of the laissez faire
Ten thousand voices, a hundred guns
A hundred decibels turns to one
One bullet, one empty head
Now with Serotonin gone
The man who used to speak
Performs a cute routine
Feel a little patronized
Don't feel bad
They found a way inside your head
And you feel a bit misled
It's not that they don't care, yeah
The television's put a thought inside your head
Like a Barry Manilow, jingle
I'd like, to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
A symphonic blank stare, yeah
It doesn't make you care (make you care)
Not designed to make you care (make you care)
They're betting you won't care (you won't...)
Place a wager on your greed
A wager on your pride
Why try to beat them when, a million others tried?
We are the whore
Intellectually spayed
We are the queer
Dysfunctionally raised
One more pill to kill the pain
One more pill to kill the pain
One more pill to kill the pain
Living through conformity
One more prayer to keep me safe
One more prayer to keep us warm
One more prayer to keep us safe
There's gonna be a better place
Lost the battle, lost the war
Lost the things worth living for
Lost the will to win the fight
One more pill to kill the pain
The going get tough, the tough get debt
Don't pay attention, pay the rent
Next of kins pay for your sins
A little faith should keep us safe
Save us
The human, existence
Is failing, resistance
Essential, the future
Written off, the odds are
Astronomically against us
Only moron and genius
Would fight a losing battle
Against the super ego
When giving in is so damn comforting
And so we go, on with our lives
We know the truth, but prefer lies
Lies are simple, simple is bliss
Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat, live in decline
Be the victim of our own design
The status quo, built on suspect
Why would anyone stick out their neck?
Fellow members of
Club "We've Got Ours"
I'd like to introduce you to our host
He's got his, and I've got mine
Meet the decline
We are the queer
We are the whore
Ammunition
In the class war
We are worker
We love our queen
We sacrifice
We're soilent green
We are the queer
We are the whore
Ammunition
In the class war
If you like punk/ska/rock this song is an 18 minute masterpiece but if you do not it is a bunch of noise with well tought out lyrics the artists ar 'NOFX'"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
sundevil777 102
Quoteit has all your engineering mumbo jumbo and calculations from someone that at least appears to know what they are talking about.
It has just enough simple calculations to fool those without an engineering background. Seriously, that site is not impressive in an engineering sense at all. It makes HUGE assertions and conclusions with nothing at all to back them up, such as:
QuoteAnother point to consider, is that if the walls alone handle lateral loading, then the pressure on the windward wall must be transmitted via the corners to the remaining walls (this transmission of loading to the other walls is what gave the WTC its rigidity) but the corners are far too weak to handle this task alone.
The article does nothing to prove the claim that the corners are far too weak. The article is difficult to follow, but that should be expected when it is LYING!
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
rhys 0
Quote>The article does nothing to prove the claim that the corners are far too weak. The article is difficult to follow, but that should be expected when it is LYING!
Dude it is not proving the corners are too weak you are confused again. it is saying the constuction of the building was completely different to what was described in the 'official story' of why the buildings fell.
in simple terms for you so you don't get confused again,
the whole building was interconnected by its frame of solid steel beams and built to flex with strong winds. It was not constructed as described in the official findings!
but as i said earlier i'm finito on the thread, too many circles just like the religon threads!
see ya, hope you are enjoying your life."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
nanook 1
Quote"The Decline"
Where are all the stupid people from?
And how'd they get to be so dumb?
Bred on purple mountain range
Feed amber waves of grains
To lesser human beings, zero feelings . . . ect. . .
Wouldn't use musicians as references or any type of guidance in anything that deals with life, culture, current events and/or reality. Too much reliance of the emotional appeal and other appeals to credibility. Especially music genres that deal with rebellion, solitude, alternativeness or anti-anything.
Remember all the great things John Lennon's music help solve? Definitely solved the spare space that needed filling in the Hard Rock Cafe.
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rhys 0
Quote>Wouldn't use musicians as references or any type of guidance in anything that deals with life, culture, current events and/or reality. Too much reliance of the emotional appeal and other appeals to credibility. Especially music genres that deal with rebellion, solitude, alternativeness or anti-anything.
Words are words take them as you will?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
jakee 1,489
Does this thread remind anyone else of those guys that comment on youtube videos?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
http://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleFunctions/ArticleDetails.php?ArticleID=10744
This link was posted by someone else but didn't get much attention.
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You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million
Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.
Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks.
The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.
Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.
Another little “coincidence” -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.
Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.
There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.
WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.
How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:
"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.
One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history — including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building’s tenants:
US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank
The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.
Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.
What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.
Incidentally, it’s worth noting that one of Lucky Larry’s closest friends — a person with whom it’s said he speaks almost daily by phone — is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
More on that cozy little relationship later...
This link was posted by someone else but didn't get much attention.
_____________________________________________
You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million
Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.
Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks.
The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.
Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.
Another little “coincidence” -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.
Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.
There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.
WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.
How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:
"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.
One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history — including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building’s tenants:
US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank
The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.
Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.
What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.
Incidentally, it’s worth noting that one of Lucky Larry’s closest friends — a person with whom it’s said he speaks almost daily by phone — is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
More on that cozy little relationship later...
Any picture, it doesn't matter. Flame color offers no useful information without also knowing exact chemical composition of what's burning.
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