Iraq murder charges for US marine

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> Our invasion of Iraq has done nothing but help the good people of Iraq.

Yep. Especially the 80,000 innocent Iraqis that were killed "accidentally" as a result of our invasion. Why, we've helped them even more than the 9/11 terrorists helped the workers in the Twin Towers.

You should check your statistics( or quit lieing) we have not killed even close to 80 ,000 people............. IGNORANCE shows somtimes.......... but i am sure i will be band from this forum after i post the truth about you and Kallend not liking conservative point of veiws

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Do we not have rulew for ignorant posters that asume they know it all?????????

By the way ignorant postor this is the first time i have read this post.,.................... maybe i shoulde read this forum more so i seam more regular to you

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>Wow your friend does not kill combatants that have just killed
>fellow servicemen, and even shot him?

Nope. He's a better man than most people here, apparently.

>Or this is BS.

He'd get a kick out of hearing you say that! Perhaps you're one of those people who has to stick their finger in the hole before you believe them.

Sounds like he is a more ignorant man that me!!!!!!!!

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Good... the redneck has learned how to use a computer....So please
explain to us all how it is ignorant, if given the choice NOT to shoot a 13 year old girl....


But then again i can see your point....Just like all those babies dressed as viet cong.... They wont be doing THAT again

.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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Here is a question for you..... If you KNEW it was a 10 year old girl and you could either

a) pop her in the head...easy peasy lemon squeezy or

b) try to take her alive at a slightly elevated risk......and i say slightly elevated risk because she IS a 10 year old girl coming up against some marines

I couldnt shoot her so i guess that makes me ignorant?....

.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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The spelling and general grammer is shitty enough. Don't we have rules for morons who have more than one screenname?

Flooding a thread with posts do not make you any less wrong.

Rightness or wrongness is not determined by spelling, grammar (which you spelled wrong, by the way), or the number of postings someone makes, either high or low. And calling someone a "moron" is a forbidden personal insult.

If you disagree with that poster, I suggest you try using some facts and logic instead.

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I'll take the time to disagree with posters that follow the rules.

Thanks.
.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

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>If you KNEW it was a 10 year old girl and you could either
>a) pop her in the head...easy peasy lemon squeezy or
>b) try to take her alive at a slightly elevated risk.

A friend of mine had to face that decision after a 13 year old sniper shot him in the leg. He took her alive - and is glad that he did, because he can still sleep at night.

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>If you KNEW it was a 10 year old girl and you could either
>a) pop her in the head...easy peasy lemon squeezy or
>b) try to take her alive at a slightly elevated risk.

A friend of mine had to face that decision after a 13 year old sniper shot him in the leg. He took her alive - and is glad that he did, because he can still sleep at night.

I will take from you post that he had the oportunity to do what you said here. ( I will assume you make a truthful post)

However, had he not been give the oportunity one or the other of them would be sleeping permantly.

The context in which you posted this is absurd and insulting.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>However, had he not been give the oportunity one or the other of
>them would be sleeping permantly.

Correct. Fortunately, he was both smart and skilled enough to ensure that neither happened. I admire him for that; it takes a lot of guts to do what he did.

>The context in which you posted this is absurd and insulting.

I was answering Base_NZ who asked that precise question.

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so you have called the mod insulting and a lier.......hmmmmm


First.... Im guessing you are one of those people who reads the last post and no more.... Then answers with no idea what he is talking about....

I asked the question because i too know people who have been in the same situation and made the same choice.......A choice all of them would say in a way saved there own life......and definitely not a decision i would ever want to make!!!

But sounds like you wouldnt have a problem with it so join the army.....

PA deleted. Your one warning.

.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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so you have called the mod insulting and a lier.......hmmmmm


First.... Im guessing you are one of those people who reads the last post and no more.... Then answers with no idea what he is talking about....

I asked the question because i too know people who have been in the same situation and made the same choice.......A choice all of them would say in a way saved there own life......and definitely not a decision i would ever want to make!!!

But sounds like you wouldnt have a problem with it so join the army.....

PA deleted. Your one warning.

I have followed the tread from the beginning. And if I remember correctly I made some posts that indicated that people were all exicted because they had an example of a evil military and, as I have stated on many a thread on this site, all should wait to see what comes out post the original heavy breathing.

I am happy for those who have the oprotunity to make a choice NOT to take a life whatever the age. That said however does not excuse the context of the post I called out.

I called no one a liar and I did think it was insulting to place the reply in that context.

To be fair, I am not exacty sure of your point but, this covers my take on it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>If you KNEW it was a 10 year old girl and you could either
>a) pop her in the head...easy peasy lemon squeezy or
>b) try to take her alive at a slightly elevated risk.

A friend of mine had to face that decision after a 13 year old sniper shot him in the leg. He took her alive - and is glad that he did, because he can still sleep at night.

I will take from you post that he had the oportunity to do what you said here. ( I will assume you make a truthful post)

However, had he not been give the oportunity one or the other of them would be sleeping permantly.

The context in which you posted this is absurd and insulting.

So how were you insulted?......... Remember we have been talking about if you had a CHOICE, what would you do?

.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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>However, had he not been give the oportunity one or the other of
>them would be sleeping permantly.

Correct. Fortunately, he was both smart and skilled enough to ensure that neither happened. I admire him for that; it takes a lot of guts to do what he did.

>The context in which you posted this is absurd and insulting.

I was answering Base_NZ who asked that precise question.

It seems there are some details missing to your story. I don't believe any soldier, marine, or sailor in his right mind would continue to allow his comrades to be at risk if he had the power to stop it. However if stopping it allowed him the opportunity to take a prisoner OR execute the enemy even though they had dropped their weapon and surrendered then anyone in his right mind would take the enemy combatant prisoner.

As a non-combat veteran... I couldn't live with myself executing anyone especially a child. In the same respect I couldn't live with myself if I took an unneccessary risk that got a buddy killed.

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As a non-combat veteran... I couldn't live with myself executing anyone especially a child. In the same respect I couldn't live with myself if I took an unneccessary risk that got a buddy killed.

Agreed.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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>If you KNEW it was a 10 year old girl and you could either
>a) pop her in the head...easy peasy lemon squeezy or
>b) try to take her alive at a slightly elevated risk.

A friend of mine had to face that decision after a 13 year old sniper shot him in the leg. He took her alive - and is glad that he did, because he can still sleep at night.

I will take from you post that he had the oportunity to do what you said here. ( I will assume you make a truthful post)

However, had he not been give the oportunity one or the other of them would be sleeping permantly.

The context in which you posted this is absurd and insulting.

So how were you insulted?......... Remember we have been talking about if you had a CHOICE, what would you do?

downwardspiral amswered this better than I ever could

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>Isn't it funny how the only murders that any liberals here concern
>themselves with are the few committed by U.S. soldiers?

People with principles do their utmost to avoid killing innocent people.

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It is even more interesting that you try to insuate that the likes of Murtha has any principles at all.

Once again you twist the context to make an mislead point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>However, had he not been give the oportunity one or the other of
>them would be sleeping permantly.

Correct. Fortunately, he was both smart and skilled enough to ensure that neither happened. I admire him for that; it takes a lot of guts to do what he did.

>The context in which you posted this is absurd and insulting.

I was answering Base_NZ who asked that precise question.

It seems there are some details missing to your story. I don't believe any soldier, marine, or sailor in his right mind would continue to allow his comrades to be at risk if he had the power to stop it. However if stopping it allowed him the opportunity to take a prisoner OR execute the enemy even though they had dropped their weapon and surrendered then anyone in his right mind would take the enemy combatant prisoner.

As a non-combat veteran... I couldn't live with myself executing anyone especially a child. In the same respect I couldn't live with myself if I took an unneccessary risk that got a buddy killed.

Yep ....Well put. Thats the sort of decision I never want to have to make...Your damned if you do and your damned if don't.

.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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>It is even more interesting that you try to insuate that the likes of
>Murtha has any principles at all.

Never said anything about Murtha's principles.

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One thing we have to remember is our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan are not stupid. They are simply underfunded. They understand how powerfull propaganda can be and know how to use our own frothy mouthed rabid dog media against us.

IMO the entire Haditha incident smelled fishy from the beginning. Something just didn't seem right and as it turns out the source of information the media used regarding this incident were known insurgent propaganda agents. How foolish are we to have fallen for it?

After reading the article does anyone here still think Staff Sgt. Wuterich and Lt. Colonel Chessani are guilty?

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[bAccording to the charge sheets, Sgt Wuterich ordered his men to "shoot first and ask questions later" when they entered a house, the Associated Press news agency reported


[bThere was no full US investigation into what happened until three months later when video footage that was taken by a local human rights activist of the aftermath reached Time Magazine.

I think that the prosecution trying to prove the unprovable doesnt mean it didnt happen, Just that they had no business trying the case.


Who laid the original charges?....and who said they heard him make that statement?.....

If it was an Iraqi civillian than i would say its all a load of shit.....But if it was a fellow soldier.....?

.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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There's a lot of details being left out I'm sure. Marines do not storm a house guns a blazing for no reason. Unfortunately we may never know what truly transpired that day. And even if it did come out one day that the Marines performed their duties lawfully and in accordance with the ROEs...the damage is already done.

If the Staff Sgt. and Lt. Colonel are aquitted many people, yourself included, will still see them as murderers.

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There's a lot of details being left out I'm sure. Marines do not storm a house guns a blazing for no reason. Unfortunately we may never know what truly transpired that day. And even if it did come out one day that the Marines performed their duties lawfully and in accordance with the ROEs...the damage is already done.

If the Staff Sgt. and Lt. Colonel are aquitted many people, yourself included, will still see them as murderers.

Hows it going up on that high horse mate???.... Now your telling other people you know nothing about, how they feel on a certain subject?......Thanks ...but my parents taught me to think for myself.


.... I know little to nothing of the facts and by what you say we may never get the full story. If they had no choice then they had no choice. As long as it was lawful and not premeditated.

I pretty sure you would feel stronger and shout louder if they where found guilty, than i would if they where found innocent.

.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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There's a lot of details being left out I'm sure. Marines do not storm a house guns a blazing for no reason. .

No... But how about for the wrong reason?

.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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Don't you find it at least a little bit amusing that you criticize me for doing something and then you go and do the same thing?

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I pretty sure you would feel stronger and shout louder if they where found guilty, than i would if they where found innocent.

If I'm wrong about you then that's great but my point remains the same.

For the record... If Staff Sgt. Wuterich is found guilty then I will be terribly disappointed. Not regarding the verdict but regarding his actions that day. I actually have a lot of faith in our military justice system.

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There's a lot of details being left out I'm sure. Marines do not storm a house guns a blazing for no reason. .

No... But how about for the wrong reason?

Can you give me an example of what a wrong reason would be? It seems likely the Marines received fire from that house and that's why they stormed it, however, I am open to any theories you may have.

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