pajarito 0 #401 January 7, 2007 Quote Hahahaha....... Man...people would pay good money to have the delusions you're having. You should extract the chemicals from your head and sell them in pill form. You'd make a killing in college campuses everywhere. Or better yet, teach a course in advanced mathematical theory, which is the absolute basis of logic and everything. You seem to know a lot more about logic than my professors did. I'm here to amuse you. You're welcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #402 January 7, 2007 Quote That is sooo not the answer! The world according to Jakee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #403 January 7, 2007 Quote I'm here to amuse you. You're welcome. Aye aye .... but you're not the only one.... The whole world is here for my amusement....This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #404 January 7, 2007 Now I remember why I do not venture into the Speakers Corner... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #405 January 7, 2007 Quote Now I remember why I do not venture into the Speakers Corner... Scared?..... Say scared... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweetmoose 0 #406 January 7, 2007 Quote Fixed .... although I do think "kick ass for the Lord" sounds better .... it's also a reference to a scene in n early Peter Jackson film.... Here's another one you might like, I didn't make this one up, but heard it a little over a year ago, Jesus walks on water, Chuck Norris walks on Jesus.We die only once, but for such a very long time. I'll believe in ghosts when I catch one in my teeth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #407 January 7, 2007 Quote Quote Now I remember why I do not venture into the Speakers Corner... Scared?..... Say scared... I'm scared. Between "God electing George Bush" and being aware that at least 40% of America believes in similar nonsense to what you're preaching...I'm scared for the future. Is half of America truly so ill informed and lazy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #408 January 7, 2007 Did you know that Chuck Norris is an outspoken Christian? I just thought you'd find that interesting. Such a tough dude--- self-sufficient, empowered, man's man, etc. But can he skydive?????!!!!Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #409 January 7, 2007 Did you know that Chuck Norris is an outspoken Christian? I just thought you'd find that interesting. Such a tough dude--- self-sufficient, empowered, man's man, etc. But can he skydive?????!!!! Quote Who care's if he can skydive, Chuck Norris has counted to infinity, TWICE!! and because he's the man, when God was creating the universe he wanted to take ten days, Chuck gave him sevenHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #410 January 7, 2007 Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #411 January 7, 2007 Hey I would have been happy with just amking one person laugh tonight, but now I've made you and that squirrel in you avatar laugh, I'M AWESOME!!!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
udder 0 #412 January 7, 2007 How can you be so bold as to say "God said this" and 'God said that' when he has never spoken to you."In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #413 January 7, 2007 Quote Did I say we have infinite time? I think I said just the opposite. Infinite regression requires infinite time. I say that is illogical. You implied that by saying god has always existed. You can't have always existed (requiring infinite time) without the possibility of infinite regression (requiring infinite time). Quote There had to be something which brought everything into existence. I'm also saying that the universe (matter, energy, the forces that govern them, space, time) could not have brought itself into existence. Goes back to "there must have been an uncaused cause (God)." The Creator is above his creation. He's not part of or controlled by it. Your argument is basically "Everything except god must have a cause" because that's the only way you can get round your infinite regression problem. If this argument is valid then it must also be valid to say "Everything except the Universe must have a cause". Anyway "cause" is a temporal concept that requires time. All human concepts of a caused beginning necessarily have something before that beginning (including the cause); this is not true of time itself. So the universe (which includes time) does not even need a cause. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #414 January 7, 2007 Your argument is basically "Everything except god must have a cause" because that's the only way you can get round your infinite regression problem. If this argument is valid then it must also be valid to say "Everything except the Universe must have a cause". Quote Anyway "cause" is a temporal concept that requires time. All human concepts of a caused beginning necessarily have something before that beginning (including the cause); this is not true of time itself. So the universe (which includes time) does not even need a cause.If you're saying that God must be timeless, then you are on the right track. If there is a creation, there must be a creator, which has a creator, which has a creator, and on and on. There is a huge mess on my desk. I was the creator of that mess. As much, for the sake of laziness, I would like to buy into your theory that everything came into existance on its own, out of nothing, and put itself into a perfect working order, the top of my desk proves otherwise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #415 January 7, 2007 So you didn't read what I posted. Thanks, it means a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweetmoose 0 #416 January 7, 2007 Quote Did you know that Chuck Norris is an outspoken Christian? I just thought you'd find that interesting. Such a tough dude--- self-sufficient, empowered, man's man, etc. But can he skydive?????!!!! Yeah, I knew that he was a big christian, don't really care though, not real interested in him anyways, the jokes are funny because of how corny he is, especially on Walker Texas Ranger. Oh, and Chuck Norris invented skydiving, duh.We die only once, but for such a very long time. I'll believe in ghosts when I catch one in my teeth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #417 January 7, 2007 you know, i don't come here much anymore... and long drawn out threads like this are partly why... but here's my thing... if i get to heaven, i won't have a question for God... i'm just going to stare into His Face and say "Thank You!" peace everybody. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,558 #418 January 7, 2007 Quote If there is a creation, there must be a creator, which has a creator, which has a creator, and on and on. There is a huge mess on my desk. I was the creator of that mess. As much, for the sake of laziness, I would like to buy into your theory that everything came into existance on its own, out of nothing, and put itself into a perfect working order, the top of my desk proves otherwise. And much as I would like to believe that Royd popped into existence bereft of any human intervention, he did in fact have (2) creators. So Royd, it's nice to see that you agree God would have needed a creator just as much as the universe.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #419 January 7, 2007 Chuck Norris doesn't skydive. The world comes to him at 120 miles per hour.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweetmoose 0 #420 January 7, 2007 Quote Chuck Norris doesn't skydive. The world comes to him at 120 miles per hour. Oh man, that cracked me up, did you make that one up yourself? too funny.We die only once, but for such a very long time. I'll believe in ghosts when I catch one in my teeth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #421 January 7, 2007 Quote Quote Chuck Norris doesn't skydive. The world comes to him at 120 miles per hour. Oh man, that cracked me up, did you make that one up yourself? too funny. I wanted a funny joke, and Chuck Norris put it in my head.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #422 January 8, 2007 Quote How can you be so bold as to say "God said this" and 'God said that' when he has never spoken to you. Quote All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #423 January 8, 2007 Quote You implied that by saying god has always existed. You can't have always existed (requiring infinite time) without the possibility of infinite regression (requiring infinite time). God is above his creation. Quote Your argument is basically "Everything except god must have a cause" because that's the only way you can get round your infinite regression problem. If this argument is valid then it must also be valid to say "Everything except the Universe must have a cause". We exist. Therefore, something had to cause it. Quote Anyway "cause" is a temporal concept that requires time. All human concepts of a caused beginning necessarily have something before that beginning (including the cause); this is not true of time itself. So the universe (which includes time) does not even need a cause. You said something very insightful: "All human concepts." ......very limited. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #424 January 8, 2007 Quote Quote You implied that by saying god has always existed. You can't have always existed (requiring infinite time) without the possibility of infinite regression (requiring infinite time). God is above his creation. Quote Your argument is basically "Everything except god must have a cause" because that's the only way you can get round your infinite regression problem. If this argument is valid then it must also be valid to say "Everything except the Universe must have a cause". We exist. Therefore, something had to cause it. Quote Anyway "cause" is a temporal concept that requires time. All human concepts of a caused beginning necessarily have something before that beginning (including the cause); this is not true of time itself. So the universe (which includes time) does not even need a cause. You said something very insightful: "All human concepts." ......very limited. You just go on and on giving names to things that defy logic. You justify defying logic by making up new rules. Your entire system is based on a foundation of myth. No matter how many references you make to scripture, in the end it all just comes back to myth.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #425 January 8, 2007 So what came before & caused the Big Bang? (ooh, I know! I know!: The Big Fuse!) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
