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How abiut the fact that they write tickets for the very thing they do?



You mean like teachers talking in class?:o

Remember when Jeff Spicoli "explained" to Mr. Hand the whole "my time... your time... our time" dynamic.;)



Teachers talking in class the same as a cop breaking laws he writes tickets for? I understand.....

Law enforcement breaking laws - not the same as - teachers talking in class. So how do you expect teachers to teach in they cannot teach? Hand signals? Writing only? What about speech classes?

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How abiut the fact that they write tickets for the very thing they do? I feel seatbelts are a hazzard, but if I do not wear mine ans gte caught, I get a ticket..... that's the hypocrisy.



They also speed, run red lights, carry a gun, have red or blue lights visible from the front of the car...ect. How much you want to bet that if they pulled you over for speeding and you had a pregnant wife in the car they would not ticket you? I was once caught doing 100mph trying to get a guy that was ODing to a hospital. I didn't even get a lecture, I got directions.

So, it is not hypocrisy. Just you being pissed off for not getting your way when you want it.

They have valid reasons for not wanting to wear a seatbelt. Reasons that could put them in harms way...You do not.

Also the article is so poorly documented. Any really critical thinking would show all the holes in the story and the use of leaps of false logic used to tie it together.



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They also speed, run red lights, carry a gun, have red or blue lights visible from the front of the car...ect.



That's true, they murder people too and don't even get fired half the time, WTF am I thinking here? :S

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I was once caught doing 100mph trying to get a guy that was ODing to a hospital. I didn't even get a lecture, I got directions.



Did you recover from your OD condition? ;)

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So, it is not hypocrisy. Just you being pissed off for not getting your way when you want it.



No, I don't get seat belt tickets, I buckle up before the cop comes to the car and I live in a secondary state. Nice try to make it personal tho.

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They have valid reasons for not wanting to wear a seatbelt. Reasons that could put them in harms way...You do not.



Really? You can't speak for me, you do not know if that's true.

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Also the article is so poorly documented. Any really critical thinking would show all the holes in the story and the use of leaps of false logic used to tie it together.



Fortunately you do not have that, so I'm OK. B|

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"Cops Hypocrites"
Yeah, and all skydivers have a death wish.

Reminds me of a protestor who said to me at a demo once "You cops, you're all prejudiced".

Got a blank look when I invited her to take a moment to think about that sentence.

I genuinely hope you never need a police officers help really urgently. I also hope if you do, he or she breaches all manner of minor traffic rules in order to PROVIDE HELP FOR YOU, to the best of his or her ability, regardless of your personal opinion of his or her chosen career.

By the way, I've never issued a seatbelt ticket in 15 years and I almost always wear one at work. I just don't like being called a hypocrite.



Cops carry this facade of being impervious to corruption, yet we see it all the time, so I wonder where all the dirty cops are, they never seem to stand up and be counted, just deny everything.

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A question for you. Do you accept that there are ANY good Cops in the world?

If you do you shouldn't start a post "Cops Hypocrites".

I was recently ripped off by an electrician. I would not start a post stating "Electricians Dishonest". It's insulting.

You have obviously had a bad experience with the police. Don't allow that to poison your attitude to all of them.

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That's true, they murder people too and don't even get fired half the time, WTF am I thinking here?



Proof, or are you just ranting again?

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Did you recover from your OD condition?



You try and hit me for making it personal...What the hell is this then?

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No, I don't get seat belt tickets, I buckle up before the cop comes to the car and I live in a secondary state. Nice try to make it personal tho.



I just used your own words..."How abiut the fact that they write tickets for the very thing they do? I feel seatbelts are a hazzard, but if I do not wear mine ans gte caught, I get a ticket." Sounds personal already to me.

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They have valid reasons for not wanting to wear a seatbelt. Reasons that could put them in harms way...You do not.

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Really? You can't speak for me, you do not know if that's true.



OH PLEASE, give us your vaild reasons then....I'll wait. Plus I already tried to explain that if you have a good reason you will not get cited. You, of course, ignored anything that disproves you...AGAIN.

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Also the article is so poorly documented. Any really critical thinking would show all the holes in the story and the use of leaps of false logic used to tie it together.

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Fortunately you do not have that, so I'm OK.



You are the one using the poorly written article as "proof".

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A question for you. Do you accept that there are ANY good Cops in the world?

If you do you shouldn't start a post "Cops Hypocrites".

I was recently ripped off by an electrician. I would not start a post stating "Electricians Dishonest". It's insulting.

You have obviously had a bad experience with the police. Don't allow that to poison your attitude to all of them.



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A question for you. Do you accept that there are ANY good Cops in the world?



Yes, and I am on a quest to find him. I have sailed the seven seas, climbed the tallest mointain and yet have failed to find the honest cop. I know he's out there, perhaps hiding in the haystack, yet I swaer I will find that one honest cop.

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I was recently ripped off by an electrician. I would not start a post stating "Electricians Dishonest". It's insulting.



Electricians are scum, they're all scheisters :) (JK)

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You have obviously had a bad experience with the police. Don't allow that to poison your attitude to all of them.



A bad experience? I believe 10-20% of the cops are generally honest. I think many have murdered and most get a way with it. The real problem is the courts, they let these cops get away with what they do and even condone their illegal acts to keep a bit of fear in the public. I think if the courts weren't so dirty that the people who are cops would be very legitimate, but as it is, the courts almost entice the cops to corrupt.

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You are the one using the poorly written article as "proof".



- Only fools or smart people making an error use the P word. I checked and I didn't use it so don;t quote me on it. I didn't advertise anything as proof, so use it for yourself.

- The article was posted merely to state that cops don't use seatbelts, others took it and expounded on other aspects of the article. If you look at my context you will see that I was only establishing that cops don;t use belts and we know they love to write others for not wearing them. Don't get ahead of yourself here.

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Plus I already tried to explain that if you have a good reason you will not get cited.



It's purely officer discretion, don't speak for them either - you seem to do a lot of that. Furthermore, if I wore a gun on my hip - legal in this state - a cop would still write me for not wearing my belt.

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You, of course, ignored anything that disproves you...AGAIN.



Since it's a matter of officer discretion, you cannot disprove anything even most of the time, epsecially with your, 'life experience' position.

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Proof, or are you just ranting again?



I donlt prove things. As I said, Jesus buffons, conservatives and the sort prove things; people of science don't prove things since once they are disproven, all things comming from the pool of proof is under scrutiny. Evidence, support, etc.

As for cops getting away with murder, you would just mitigate them anyway. A local cop was doing an alleged 75 in a 45 as I recall it, he hit and killed a peestrian and was issued and found responsible for a civil speeding ticket. This happened last week where he was found repsonsible. If I post it will it make you go away? I could write for hours about cops getting aay with things and you would mitigate them, so why do it?

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If you look at my context you will see that I was only establishing that cops don;t use belts and we know they love to write others for not wearing them



And you don't bother looking at anything else as normal. You are just pissed you can't do something and ranting again.

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I donlt prove things



That's clear, you also don't use critical thinking at all. You post your opinions, yet expect people to give them the same weight as evidence. As soon as someone questions the validity of your statements you cry it is just an opinion, but act like they should just accept them. Sheesh.

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Cops also speed, run stop signs, etc.

The actual wording varies from state to state, but basically a police cruiser is considered an "emergancy vehicle" and emergancy vehicles are basically excempt from traffic laws. So they're not hypocrites, the law allows for the excemption.



Dave, this brings to mind something I've always wondered about. I certainly understand that emergency vehicles are exempt from traffic laws when emergencies, or police necessity, etc, make it necessary. But it seems I constantly see police cars, traveling at normal traffic speeds, seemingly not on any particular emergency, making turns without using their turn signals – you know, pretty much the same way cabbies and pickup truck drivers do all the time. ;)I've been driving for 30 years, so this is not just a couple of isolated instances I've seen (and I see it in every state and part of the country). What's with that?

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But it seems I constantly see police cars, traveling at normal traffic speeds, seemingly not on any particular emergency, making turns without using their turn signals – you know, pretty much the same way cabbies and pickup truck drivers do all the time.



Maybe it is just like experienced jumpers do not always get gear checks? They spend so much time driving that they most likely let things slip.

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"There are times, I'm afraid, where some officers think it's to their benefit to not have their seat belt on," Floyd said in an interview. "They're worried that if someone were to start shooting at them and they have to jump out of their car quickly, it might get tangled."



I don't know what city or state you're referring to but this varies from state to state. In the NYPD if we're caught, driver or passenger and even prisoner, without wearing a seatbelt, we lose 5 -10 vacation days. It's not worth it for me to lose my vacation days for something that takes less than 30 seconds to put on and less than 30 seconds to take off.

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They write tickets and then don't follow the same laws.



I catch over 100 people a day not wearing seatbelts. I only give 3 - 4 no seat belts a month. I mostly warn and admonish them. I can catch over 1,000 people not wearing their seatbelts in NY within a month. Can you imagine if I ticketed each and everyone of them? No one in NY really wears their seatbelts. I'm only a stickler for kids under 4 not in safety seat or kids under 12 not wearing seat belts or babies on their mother's laps and not in a child seat.

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But it seems I constantly see police cars, traveling at normal traffic speeds, seemingly not on any particular emergency, making turns without using their turn signals –



Couldn't tell you that. It could very well have something to do with having to read/type on the MDC, talk on the radio and observe everything around you while you're just driving along. Or that cop, like a large percent of all drivers, just doesn't use turn signals.
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But it seems I constantly see police cars, traveling at normal traffic speeds, seemingly not on any particular emergency, making turns without using their turn signals – you know, pretty much the same way cabbies and pickup truck drivers do all the time. I've been driving for 30 years, so this is not just a couple of isolated instances I've seen (and I see it in every state and part of the country). What's with that?



I catch hundreds of people within a day changing lanes or making turns without signaling. You know how many tickets I give out to them? ZERO! Thousands of people in NY do not signal when turning or while changing lanes. I also catch hundreds of people stopping on red on a crosswalk or blocking the intersection, do you know how many tickets I give for that? None. I simply make an executive decision and direct traffic to let it flow more smoothly so no one blocks the intersection.

If any of you were to drive daily in NYC you would be extremely pissed off or extremely terrified because only a handful of people actually obey traffic laws. I guarantee you, you will not have a pleasant experience.

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Do you think you could start enforcing red light running? It's getting to be the norm and is extremely dangerous. Maybe smack a few of the violators around.



Dude, for every 3 minutes, at least 4 or 5 people run red lights in NYC. This is the big city bro. You can't arrest or ticket everyone. Besides, I'm mostly on foot so by the time I get to someone's car, they take off. I can only catch people when there's traffic. And when there's traffic, it's pretty fucked up to stop people to cause more congestion which will cause even more people to run steady red lights. So there's a catch 22 problem right there.

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Do you think you could start enforcing red light running? It's getting to be the norm and is extremely dangerous. Maybe smack a few of the violators around.



Dude, for every 3 minutes, at least 4 or 5 people run red lights in NYC. This is the big city bro. You can't arrest or ticket everyone. Besides, I'm mostly on foot so by the time I get to someone's car, they take off. I can only catch people when there's traffic. And when there's traffic, it's pretty fucked up to stop people to cause more congestion which will cause even more people to run steady red lights. So there's a catch 22 problem right there.



Does the law allow you to write down the tag number and just mail them a ticket?

I really wish the govt. would pass a law that makes the fine for running red light very high. Heck, in my area it's a larger fine for violating HOV restrictions than running a red light.

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Does the law allow you to write down the tag number and just mail them a ticket?



Negative. Only the red light cameras and the DOT (ticket agents) have that kind of authority. This may or may not vary from state to state. In NYC, about 90% of moving violations almost always end up in court. Therefore, in order to give someone a a moving violation summons, you have to be able to identify them using their proper identification.

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Do you think you could start enforcing red light running? It's getting to be the norm and is extremely dangerous. Maybe smack a few of the violators around.



Dude, for every 3 minutes, at least 4 or 5 people run red lights in NYC. This is the big city bro. You can't arrest or ticket everyone. Besides, I'm mostly on foot so by the time I get to someone's car, they take off. I can only catch people when there's traffic. And when there's traffic, it's pretty fucked up to stop people to cause more congestion which will cause even more people to run steady red lights. So there's a catch 22 problem right there.



Does the law allow you to write down the tag number and just mail them a ticket?

I really wish the govt. would pass a law that makes the fine for running red light very high. Heck, in my area it's a larger fine for violating HOV restrictions than running a red light.

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The city I recently moved from, wanted to put cameras at intersections where folks were running red-lights and stop-signs all too often. The purpose: to get tag numbers and send the owner of the vehicle a ticket. Those folks, went nuts! Letters were written to the editor of the local newspaper stating their civil rights would be violated and the like. Personally, I think, it's a great idea! It answers the question: 'Where's a cop, when you need one?'


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A local cop was doing an alleged 75 in a 45 as I recall it, he hit and killed a peestrian and was issued and found responsible for a civil speeding ticket. This happened last week where he was found repsonsible. If I post it will it make you go away? I could write for hours about cops getting aay with things and you would mitigate them, so why do it?



Lucky... you're proving a point I become more aware of as time goes on. We are SO much more sensitive of news we DON'T like than news we do. When we form a strong opinion of something we tend to focus much more on information that legitimizes our own beliefs. Such as we see here.

You're picking apart police, telling us 75% of them are corrupt. You could go on forever about the bad things police have done. I would never deny there is ever any bad behavior. But that goes for EVERY line of service out there. It's called 'being human'. But you're completely ignoring any good that is going on out there. Honestly, I believe there is more good than bad.
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Does the law allow you to write down the tag number and just mail them a ticket?

I really wish the govt. would pass a law that makes the fine for running red light very high. Heck, in my area it's a larger fine for violating HOV restrictions than running a red light.

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The city I recently moved from, wanted to put cameras at intersections where folks were running red-lights and stop-signs all too often. The purpose: to get tag numbers and send the owner of the vehicle a ticket. Those folks, went nuts! Letters were written to the editor of the local newspaper stating their civil rights would be violated and the like. Personally, I think, it's a great idea! It answers the question: 'Where's a cop, when you need one?'
Chuck



A fine idea (which they do use in some cities), but my concern is this: the offender in a moving violation is the driver, not the owner. If the camera system photos both the license plate AND the driver's face, that's fine with me. But if the camera only identifies the car and plate, and not the actual driver, then - in my ever-so-humble (as always) opinon - a presumption that the owner is also the driver is improper.

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In the UK we issue fines to the registered keeper of the vehicle. If they can't prove someone else was driving, which would be required by law to comply with S170 of the Road Traffic Act the legal responsibilty falls to the owner.

This is why one of our chief constables got 2 speeding fines when one of his staff drove through a speed camera and failed to fill out the vehicle log book as being the driver that shift :D

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Does the law allow you to write down the tag number and just mail them a ticket?

I really wish the govt. would pass a law that makes the fine for running red light very high. Heck, in my area it's a larger fine for violating HOV restrictions than running a red light.

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The city I recently moved from, wanted to put cameras at intersections where folks were running red-lights and stop-signs all too often. The purpose: to get tag numbers and send the owner of the vehicle a ticket. Those folks, went nuts! Letters were written to the editor of the local newspaper stating their civil rights would be violated and the like. Personally, I think, it's a great idea! It answers the question: 'Where's a cop, when you need one?'
Chuck



A fine idea (which they do use in some cities), but my concern is this: the offender in a moving violation is the driver, not the owner. If the camera system photos both the license plate AND the driver's face, that's fine with me. But if the camera only identifies the car and plate, and not the actual driver, then - in my ever-so-humble (as always) opinon - a presumption that the owner is also the driver is improper.



In this area, a red light camera ticket is treated the same way a parking ticket. The owner of a car that runs a red light is not charged with a moving violation and no points are put on his driving record. The owner of the vehicle should know who was driving on that day and time and just like a parking ticket, can collect the fine from them.

Originally, I had a problem with red light camera's, but after almost being killed by someone running a red light, my views have changed. I actually have more of a problem with a camera that takes a picture of the drivers face than I do with one that just takes a picture of the car and tag number. YMMV.

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In the UK we issue fines to the registered keeper of the vehicle. If they can't prove someone else was driving, which would be required by law to comply with S170 of the Road Traffic Act the legal responsibilty falls to the owner.



The problem I have with that is that it seems to shift the initial burden of proof to the defendant, rather than having it on the prosecution. Defendants should never have the initial burden of proving innocence; the prosecution should always have the initial burden of proving guilt.

No offense, but the more I learn about UK law, the more thankful I am for the US Constitution.

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In this area, a red light camera ticket is treated the same way a parking ticket. The owner of a car that runs a red light is not charged with a moving violation and no points are put on his driving record.



That approach addresses some of my concern. Not entirely so, but it's a compromise.

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