Richards 0 #1 December 31, 2006 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061230.wxsoldier30/BNStory/Afghanistan/home I can't really offer an opinion on his argument because I have never been in a war. To critique or support his actions/explaination would just make me a monday morning quarterback. I am curious to see the opinions of some of you who have served in combat and see what kind of debate this stirs up (or doesn't) I would like to hear what most of you think of it. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #2 December 31, 2006 It's hard to really ort everything out having not been there, but usually it's safe to say that if everyone in the team are agreeing that this guy is a coward, it's pretty safe to say he is. there are even a few holes in his story. And thepart about leaving the one guy because he wanted to stay and fight, I call BS, I doub tit went down the way this guy says, and if it did, well guess what, you get to stand there next to your guy that won't listen and fight next to him, YOU DON'T FUCKING LEAVE A MAN BEHIND. Of course he is giving his side of the story after having ample time to sit at home and cook up his excuses for everything he did, he claims he went back to the vehicle to move it, that was after they had dismounted it and he had been right next to it in the first place, yeah not so much. In the US military you can be charged with cowardice, I hope the Canadians have a similar policy.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 December 31, 2006 QuoteWhen the ambush began, he ordered the troops to dismount. That rendered the light-armoured vehicle's cannon useless, because any fire would endanger Canadian troops, said Private Francois LePage, the man behind the cannon that day. I smell bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #4 December 31, 2006 I would like to point out this one smells from both ends as GQ pointed out the other possible bovine excrement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #5 December 31, 2006 Quote well guess what, you get to stand there next to your guy that won't listen and fight next to him, YOU DON'T FUCKING LEAVE A MAN BEHIND. in the first place, yeah not so much. . Alive or dead.....you dont leave a man behind. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #6 December 31, 2006 That was kind of how it came across to me but again being someone who has never been there I am very reluctant to judge. What seemd to stand out to me was the fact that his whole section was in agreement against him. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #7 January 1, 2007 That was kind of how it came across to me but again being someone who has never been there I am very reluctant to judge. What seemd to stand out to me was the fact that his whole section was in agreement against him. Quote Obviously none of us were there and will probably nevr know the real facts, but this is what caused me to doubt this guy. When you tell YOUR SIDE of a story, if it's a story like this, you are probably going to tell it in a fashion that makes you look justified in everything you did, well this guy failed to justify his actions to me, even hearing him tell it I still doubt he made any right decisions. Usually if you listen to both sides of the story the truth lies soemwhere in the middle, and when you have a whole team saying one thing, and one guy making a weak arguent to justify his actions........ enough saidHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #8 January 1, 2007 How the heck did this ever make the news, if he's out of the service and it's unrelated to the casualties. Something stinks about the way this has been handled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #9 January 1, 2007 There are SOP's and ROE's that must be followed, as well as tactics at all times. Now, as others have stated, all his soldiers are against him. Based on experience, I can tell you this, when shit hits the fan the leader will not leave, if he does, the someone will take charge, or should. What I really find unnerving about this ex NCO comment, is that at first he states that he decides to be the runner (messenger) and leaves his post, because there is no radio, instead of staying, ordering suppressing fire for his runner to go to the truck and retrieve the radio / send the message. He should take responsibility for what went wrong that day."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #10 January 1, 2007 He should take responsibility for what went wrong that day. Quote PERFECT ANSWER!!! Couldn't have said it better myself, when you are in charge, guess what, it's your fault, if something goes wrong, it's your fault, grab your sack and admit that you failed. True story or not the leadership here failed and there is no excuseHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #11 January 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteThere are SOP's and ROE's that must be followed, as well as tactics at all times. Now, as others have stated, all his soldiers are against him. Based on experience, I can tell you this, when shit hits the fan the leader will not leave, if he does, the someone will take charge, or should. What I really find unnerving about this ex NCO comment, is that at first he states that he decides to be the runner (messenger) and leaves his post, because there is no radio, instead of staying, ordering suppressing fire for his runner to go to the truck and retrieve the radio / send the message. He should take responsibility for what went wrong that day. Makes sense. I was highly skeptical of his claim, but having never been in combat I am reluctant to judge even some of the more obvious issues. I just wanted to hear from some of you guys who have experience before I jumped to any conclusions. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
dorbie 0 #8 January 1, 2007 How the heck did this ever make the news, if he's out of the service and it's unrelated to the casualties. Something stinks about the way this has been handled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #9 January 1, 2007 There are SOP's and ROE's that must be followed, as well as tactics at all times. Now, as others have stated, all his soldiers are against him. Based on experience, I can tell you this, when shit hits the fan the leader will not leave, if he does, the someone will take charge, or should. What I really find unnerving about this ex NCO comment, is that at first he states that he decides to be the runner (messenger) and leaves his post, because there is no radio, instead of staying, ordering suppressing fire for his runner to go to the truck and retrieve the radio / send the message. He should take responsibility for what went wrong that day."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #10 January 1, 2007 He should take responsibility for what went wrong that day. Quote PERFECT ANSWER!!! Couldn't have said it better myself, when you are in charge, guess what, it's your fault, if something goes wrong, it's your fault, grab your sack and admit that you failed. True story or not the leadership here failed and there is no excuseHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #11 January 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteThere are SOP's and ROE's that must be followed, as well as tactics at all times. Now, as others have stated, all his soldiers are against him. Based on experience, I can tell you this, when shit hits the fan the leader will not leave, if he does, the someone will take charge, or should. What I really find unnerving about this ex NCO comment, is that at first he states that he decides to be the runner (messenger) and leaves his post, because there is no radio, instead of staying, ordering suppressing fire for his runner to go to the truck and retrieve the radio / send the message. He should take responsibility for what went wrong that day. Makes sense. I was highly skeptical of his claim, but having never been in combat I am reluctant to judge even some of the more obvious issues. I just wanted to hear from some of you guys who have experience before I jumped to any conclusions. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Richards 0 #11 January 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteThere are SOP's and ROE's that must be followed, as well as tactics at all times. Now, as others have stated, all his soldiers are against him. Based on experience, I can tell you this, when shit hits the fan the leader will not leave, if he does, the someone will take charge, or should. What I really find unnerving about this ex NCO comment, is that at first he states that he decides to be the runner (messenger) and leaves his post, because there is no radio, instead of staying, ordering suppressing fire for his runner to go to the truck and retrieve the radio / send the message. He should take responsibility for what went wrong that day. Makes sense. I was highly skeptical of his claim, but having never been in combat I am reluctant to judge even some of the more obvious issues. I just wanted to hear from some of you guys who have experience before I jumped to any conclusions. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
