SpeedRacer 1 #51 January 2, 2007 Quote Another claim that has proven to be utterly false. It didn't fall that fast, the earlier link I provided detailed this. You seem to think that taken together, all the little things that don't add up must mean that there is something to it all. However, each of the little things are lies and half truths. When so many claims are shown to so, I think you gotta come up with some new evidence. Perhaps take a repeated look at some bit of video, and notice something that looks unusual, then think of a way for it to fit the conspiracy and throw it out for general consumption. At least that would be more interesting than re-killing the same assertions. As I have said before: Bullshit can be piled up to a magnificent height, but it doesn't stop being bullshit. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #52 January 2, 2007 The world domination plan of the PNAC involved invading Iraq & taking out Saddam, way before 9/11. It was on their minds long before, and at the top of their agenda. Just read the stuff on the website. . If this was the elaborately-carried out plot by the US government, under the control of the Neo-Con PNAC people, they would have made DAMN sure that at least one of the hijackers was an Iraqi. If they had done all that other shit, they sure as hell wouldn't neglect that detail. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyflyer 0 #53 January 2, 2007 QuoteThe world domination plan of the PNAC involved invading Iraq & taking out Saddam, way before 9/11. It was on their minds long before, and at the top of their agenda. Just read the stuff on the website yes i agree as i mentioned in my previous post it was part of their plan. Quotethey would have made DAMN sure that at least one of the hijackers was an Iraqi. there could be many reasonble reasons such as the ones i just mentioned. the lack of iraqis does not disprove the complicity just as the flip question does not prove anything."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #54 January 2, 2007 QuoteBullshit can be piled up to a magnificent height, but it doesn't stop being bullshit. But can it reach freefall speeds when it collapses? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #55 January 2, 2007 But can it reach freefall speeds when it collapses? Quote Is it solid bullshit, or kind of runny, cause that makes a differenceHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #56 January 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteHeck, I'm still trying to figure out what a "thermite explosive" is!! Here you go. http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspc149/defs149.htm Appreciate the definitions... still doesn't answer the fact that thermite BURNS, not explodes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #57 January 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHeck, I'm still trying to figure out what a "thermite explosive" is!! Here you go. http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspc149/defs149.htm Appreciate the definitions... still doesn't answer the fact that thermite BURNS, not explodes. Of course Thermite explodes. How else could the puffs of smoke be explained? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #58 January 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe world domination plan of the PNAC involved invading Iraq & taking out Saddam, way before 9/11. It was on their minds long before, and at the top of their agenda. Just read the stuff on the website yes i agree as i mentioned in my previous post it was part of their plan. Quotethey would have made DAMN sure that at least one of the hijackers was an Iraqi. there could be many reasonble reasons such as the ones i just mentioned. the lack of iraqis does not disprove the complicity just as the flip question does not prove anything.yep, if you want to cling to a conspriracy theory, pretty much anything will suffice. The important thing is to support the conspiracy theory above all else. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #59 January 2, 2007 Quote>Anyone who has the least bit of science or physics background gets quite the chuckle out of the tinfoil hatter's theories... and the same pessemists of any conspiracy keep contributing one liners with no substance."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #60 January 2, 2007 Quote>The majority of the smoke was black, Before you go too far.... the initial fire of a few minutes had black smoke and the debris had a white steam looking smoke for over a week. look it up!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #61 January 2, 2007 I refer you back to the post immediately preceeding yours...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #62 January 2, 2007 QuoteI mean, shit, they had to get all those hundreds of people involved in planting the thermite explosives, tell all the Jewish workers to stay home that day, kidnap all the people who were on the flight that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon (which, as we know, was actually hit by a rocket) & hide them in Area 51 so that everyone would think they were killed in the "plane crash", then invent & stage the whole heroic Todd Beamer story etc etc. Careful; they are going to make you president of their club." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #63 January 2, 2007 OH!! Don't forget this guy, too!! *see attached*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #64 January 2, 2007 Elaborate please? are you saying i'm clinging on to my beliefs? i don't understand your refernece to speed racers post?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #65 January 2, 2007 More this part: Quoteyep, if you want to cling to a conspriracy theory, pretty much anything will suffice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #66 January 2, 2007 Quotewhy would they shoot down planes that were off course? The whole purpose of my argument was to demonstrate the irrelevance of the military aircraft and they not being scrambled in time. We have not shot down an aircraft over the U.S. We've always escorted. We never would have shot them down. We knew they were hijacked, We didn't know what they were going to do. This has never happened before. 20/20 hindsight is not a way of debunking a govt involvement. Quoteso your counter argument is that bin laden's cave is the technological equivalent to norads command center No, you missed it. The counter argument was that directing out of a cave is possible. The way you wrote it, you made it seem that Bin Laden couldn't have directed it out of a cave. Quoteit looks like your arguments are just the utilization of junk logic. Nope. Fact and Real experience. Join the Service. Get a Clearance. You will learn a lot about how the real world works, and true abilities of the Govt and Military. Its a complete different world from fantasy writers and Tom Clancy._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #67 January 2, 2007 QuoteWe didn't know what they were going to do. yes utilizing junk logic it would have been difficult to predict what the other three planes were going to do once the first one struck, but using regular logic we can see that if one plane struck the wtc and another is headed in the same direction..well i'll let you try to figure out the rest. QuoteNo, you missed it. The counter argument was that directing out of a cave is possible thats a good one"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #68 January 2, 2007 QuoteErm...well...there are some who think the US government did it. Some think that God did it. However, I believe the evidence firmly points to one asshat named Usama Bin Ladin, and his organization (may they rot in deepest darkest hottest hell) Al Q'aida. If you're looking for discussion/argument, run a search - there are myriad threads discussing this ad nauseum...you should be able to find one which matches your own opinion. Ciels- Michele Well putWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #69 January 2, 2007 Quote but using regular logic we can see that if one plane struck the wtc and another is headed in the same direction..well i'll let you try to figure out the rest. That's not regular logic. That's called Assumption. See, that's the big problem here. You don't go around shooting down airliners full of civillians based on a hunch. Remember, this has never happened before. Just because one plane flies through doesn't mean the others were going to. We didn't have that information previously. Again, Hindsight is 20/20._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #70 January 2, 2007 there is no point in arguing wether or not the planes would have been shot down. the point is that the jets were not even scrambled as is the normal procedure. shooting down hijacked planes after the first plane hit certainly would have been on the table."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #71 January 2, 2007 You say "the point is that the jets were not even scrambled as is the normal procedure" Are you claiming that this is proof of government involvement? It might be if you also assume that the government never fucks up But... if the government never fucks up then where did all this juicy evidence you have that proves government involvment come from?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #72 January 2, 2007 Again, as I said: QuoteThe whole purpose of my argument was to demonstrate the irrelevance of the military aircraft and they not being scrambled in time. This whole "aircraft scrambling" stuff does nothing to add to the overall conspiracy theory of Govt involvement. It's not even evidence._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #73 January 2, 2007 QuoteThis whole "aircraft scrambling" stuff does nothing to add to the overall conspiracy theory of Govt involvement. i disagree. when there are hundreds, more likely thousands of jets scrambles in the decade before 9/11 with an average time of 10-20 min for off course flights. on 9/11 we have 4 hijacked planes, planes stricking builings during an hour an a half with no jets scrambled. this is the largest terrorist attack on america in history and no jets were scrambled for an hour and a half when normal intercept time is 15 min. the references(quotes from the military) for these claims have been posted in the other thread."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #74 January 2, 2007 when there are hundreds, more likely thousands of jets scrambles in the decade before 9/11 with an average time of 10-20 min for off course flights. on 9/11 we have 4 hijacked planes, planes stricking builings during an hour an a half with no jets scrambled. this is the largest terrorist attack on america in history and no jets were scrambled for an hour and a half when normal intercept time is 15 min. the references(quotes from the military) for these claims have been posted in the other thread. Quote just a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #75 January 3, 2007 Quotejust a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter? FINALLY! Someone understands what I'm trying to say!!_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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mnealtx 0 #56 January 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteHeck, I'm still trying to figure out what a "thermite explosive" is!! Here you go. http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspc149/defs149.htm Appreciate the definitions... still doesn't answer the fact that thermite BURNS, not explodes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #57 January 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHeck, I'm still trying to figure out what a "thermite explosive" is!! Here you go. http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspc149/defs149.htm Appreciate the definitions... still doesn't answer the fact that thermite BURNS, not explodes. Of course Thermite explodes. How else could the puffs of smoke be explained? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #58 January 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe world domination plan of the PNAC involved invading Iraq & taking out Saddam, way before 9/11. It was on their minds long before, and at the top of their agenda. Just read the stuff on the website yes i agree as i mentioned in my previous post it was part of their plan. Quotethey would have made DAMN sure that at least one of the hijackers was an Iraqi. there could be many reasonble reasons such as the ones i just mentioned. the lack of iraqis does not disprove the complicity just as the flip question does not prove anything.yep, if you want to cling to a conspriracy theory, pretty much anything will suffice. The important thing is to support the conspiracy theory above all else. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #59 January 2, 2007 Quote>Anyone who has the least bit of science or physics background gets quite the chuckle out of the tinfoil hatter's theories... and the same pessemists of any conspiracy keep contributing one liners with no substance."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #60 January 2, 2007 Quote>The majority of the smoke was black, Before you go too far.... the initial fire of a few minutes had black smoke and the debris had a white steam looking smoke for over a week. look it up!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #61 January 2, 2007 I refer you back to the post immediately preceeding yours...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #62 January 2, 2007 QuoteI mean, shit, they had to get all those hundreds of people involved in planting the thermite explosives, tell all the Jewish workers to stay home that day, kidnap all the people who were on the flight that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon (which, as we know, was actually hit by a rocket) & hide them in Area 51 so that everyone would think they were killed in the "plane crash", then invent & stage the whole heroic Todd Beamer story etc etc. Careful; they are going to make you president of their club." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #63 January 2, 2007 OH!! Don't forget this guy, too!! *see attached*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #64 January 2, 2007 Elaborate please? are you saying i'm clinging on to my beliefs? i don't understand your refernece to speed racers post?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #65 January 2, 2007 More this part: Quoteyep, if you want to cling to a conspriracy theory, pretty much anything will suffice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #66 January 2, 2007 Quotewhy would they shoot down planes that were off course? The whole purpose of my argument was to demonstrate the irrelevance of the military aircraft and they not being scrambled in time. We have not shot down an aircraft over the U.S. We've always escorted. We never would have shot them down. We knew they were hijacked, We didn't know what they were going to do. This has never happened before. 20/20 hindsight is not a way of debunking a govt involvement. Quoteso your counter argument is that bin laden's cave is the technological equivalent to norads command center No, you missed it. The counter argument was that directing out of a cave is possible. The way you wrote it, you made it seem that Bin Laden couldn't have directed it out of a cave. Quoteit looks like your arguments are just the utilization of junk logic. Nope. Fact and Real experience. Join the Service. Get a Clearance. You will learn a lot about how the real world works, and true abilities of the Govt and Military. Its a complete different world from fantasy writers and Tom Clancy._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #67 January 2, 2007 QuoteWe didn't know what they were going to do. yes utilizing junk logic it would have been difficult to predict what the other three planes were going to do once the first one struck, but using regular logic we can see that if one plane struck the wtc and another is headed in the same direction..well i'll let you try to figure out the rest. QuoteNo, you missed it. The counter argument was that directing out of a cave is possible thats a good one"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #68 January 2, 2007 QuoteErm...well...there are some who think the US government did it. Some think that God did it. However, I believe the evidence firmly points to one asshat named Usama Bin Ladin, and his organization (may they rot in deepest darkest hottest hell) Al Q'aida. If you're looking for discussion/argument, run a search - there are myriad threads discussing this ad nauseum...you should be able to find one which matches your own opinion. Ciels- Michele Well putWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #69 January 2, 2007 Quote but using regular logic we can see that if one plane struck the wtc and another is headed in the same direction..well i'll let you try to figure out the rest. That's not regular logic. That's called Assumption. See, that's the big problem here. You don't go around shooting down airliners full of civillians based on a hunch. Remember, this has never happened before. Just because one plane flies through doesn't mean the others were going to. We didn't have that information previously. Again, Hindsight is 20/20._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #70 January 2, 2007 there is no point in arguing wether or not the planes would have been shot down. the point is that the jets were not even scrambled as is the normal procedure. shooting down hijacked planes after the first plane hit certainly would have been on the table."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #71 January 2, 2007 You say "the point is that the jets were not even scrambled as is the normal procedure" Are you claiming that this is proof of government involvement? It might be if you also assume that the government never fucks up But... if the government never fucks up then where did all this juicy evidence you have that proves government involvment come from?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #72 January 2, 2007 Again, as I said: QuoteThe whole purpose of my argument was to demonstrate the irrelevance of the military aircraft and they not being scrambled in time. This whole "aircraft scrambling" stuff does nothing to add to the overall conspiracy theory of Govt involvement. It's not even evidence._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #73 January 2, 2007 QuoteThis whole "aircraft scrambling" stuff does nothing to add to the overall conspiracy theory of Govt involvement. i disagree. when there are hundreds, more likely thousands of jets scrambles in the decade before 9/11 with an average time of 10-20 min for off course flights. on 9/11 we have 4 hijacked planes, planes stricking builings during an hour an a half with no jets scrambled. this is the largest terrorist attack on america in history and no jets were scrambled for an hour and a half when normal intercept time is 15 min. the references(quotes from the military) for these claims have been posted in the other thread."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #74 January 2, 2007 when there are hundreds, more likely thousands of jets scrambles in the decade before 9/11 with an average time of 10-20 min for off course flights. on 9/11 we have 4 hijacked planes, planes stricking builings during an hour an a half with no jets scrambled. this is the largest terrorist attack on america in history and no jets were scrambled for an hour and a half when normal intercept time is 15 min. the references(quotes from the military) for these claims have been posted in the other thread. Quote just a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #75 January 3, 2007 Quotejust a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter? FINALLY! Someone understands what I'm trying to say!!_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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rhys 0 #60 January 2, 2007 Quote>The majority of the smoke was black, Before you go too far.... the initial fire of a few minutes had black smoke and the debris had a white steam looking smoke for over a week. look it up!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #61 January 2, 2007 I refer you back to the post immediately preceeding yours...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #62 January 2, 2007 QuoteI mean, shit, they had to get all those hundreds of people involved in planting the thermite explosives, tell all the Jewish workers to stay home that day, kidnap all the people who were on the flight that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon (which, as we know, was actually hit by a rocket) & hide them in Area 51 so that everyone would think they were killed in the "plane crash", then invent & stage the whole heroic Todd Beamer story etc etc. Careful; they are going to make you president of their club." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #63 January 2, 2007 OH!! Don't forget this guy, too!! *see attached*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #64 January 2, 2007 Elaborate please? are you saying i'm clinging on to my beliefs? i don't understand your refernece to speed racers post?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #65 January 2, 2007 More this part: Quoteyep, if you want to cling to a conspriracy theory, pretty much anything will suffice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #66 January 2, 2007 Quotewhy would they shoot down planes that were off course? The whole purpose of my argument was to demonstrate the irrelevance of the military aircraft and they not being scrambled in time. We have not shot down an aircraft over the U.S. We've always escorted. We never would have shot them down. We knew they were hijacked, We didn't know what they were going to do. This has never happened before. 20/20 hindsight is not a way of debunking a govt involvement. Quoteso your counter argument is that bin laden's cave is the technological equivalent to norads command center No, you missed it. The counter argument was that directing out of a cave is possible. The way you wrote it, you made it seem that Bin Laden couldn't have directed it out of a cave. Quoteit looks like your arguments are just the utilization of junk logic. Nope. Fact and Real experience. Join the Service. Get a Clearance. You will learn a lot about how the real world works, and true abilities of the Govt and Military. Its a complete different world from fantasy writers and Tom Clancy._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #67 January 2, 2007 QuoteWe didn't know what they were going to do. yes utilizing junk logic it would have been difficult to predict what the other three planes were going to do once the first one struck, but using regular logic we can see that if one plane struck the wtc and another is headed in the same direction..well i'll let you try to figure out the rest. QuoteNo, you missed it. The counter argument was that directing out of a cave is possible thats a good one"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #68 January 2, 2007 QuoteErm...well...there are some who think the US government did it. Some think that God did it. However, I believe the evidence firmly points to one asshat named Usama Bin Ladin, and his organization (may they rot in deepest darkest hottest hell) Al Q'aida. If you're looking for discussion/argument, run a search - there are myriad threads discussing this ad nauseum...you should be able to find one which matches your own opinion. Ciels- Michele Well putWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #69 January 2, 2007 Quote but using regular logic we can see that if one plane struck the wtc and another is headed in the same direction..well i'll let you try to figure out the rest. That's not regular logic. That's called Assumption. See, that's the big problem here. You don't go around shooting down airliners full of civillians based on a hunch. Remember, this has never happened before. Just because one plane flies through doesn't mean the others were going to. We didn't have that information previously. Again, Hindsight is 20/20._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #70 January 2, 2007 there is no point in arguing wether or not the planes would have been shot down. the point is that the jets were not even scrambled as is the normal procedure. shooting down hijacked planes after the first plane hit certainly would have been on the table."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #71 January 2, 2007 You say "the point is that the jets were not even scrambled as is the normal procedure" Are you claiming that this is proof of government involvement? It might be if you also assume that the government never fucks up But... if the government never fucks up then where did all this juicy evidence you have that proves government involvment come from?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #72 January 2, 2007 Again, as I said: QuoteThe whole purpose of my argument was to demonstrate the irrelevance of the military aircraft and they not being scrambled in time. This whole "aircraft scrambling" stuff does nothing to add to the overall conspiracy theory of Govt involvement. It's not even evidence._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyflyer 0 #73 January 2, 2007 QuoteThis whole "aircraft scrambling" stuff does nothing to add to the overall conspiracy theory of Govt involvement. i disagree. when there are hundreds, more likely thousands of jets scrambles in the decade before 9/11 with an average time of 10-20 min for off course flights. on 9/11 we have 4 hijacked planes, planes stricking builings during an hour an a half with no jets scrambled. this is the largest terrorist attack on america in history and no jets were scrambled for an hour and a half when normal intercept time is 15 min. the references(quotes from the military) for these claims have been posted in the other thread."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #74 January 2, 2007 when there are hundreds, more likely thousands of jets scrambles in the decade before 9/11 with an average time of 10-20 min for off course flights. on 9/11 we have 4 hijacked planes, planes stricking builings during an hour an a half with no jets scrambled. this is the largest terrorist attack on america in history and no jets were scrambled for an hour and a half when normal intercept time is 15 min. the references(quotes from the military) for these claims have been posted in the other thread. Quote just a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #75 January 3, 2007 Quotejust a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter? FINALLY! Someone understands what I'm trying to say!!_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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mnealtx 0 #61 January 2, 2007 I refer you back to the post immediately preceeding yours...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #62 January 2, 2007 QuoteI mean, shit, they had to get all those hundreds of people involved in planting the thermite explosives, tell all the Jewish workers to stay home that day, kidnap all the people who were on the flight that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon (which, as we know, was actually hit by a rocket) & hide them in Area 51 so that everyone would think they were killed in the "plane crash", then invent & stage the whole heroic Todd Beamer story etc etc. Careful; they are going to make you president of their club." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #63 January 2, 2007 OH!! Don't forget this guy, too!! *see attached*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #64 January 2, 2007 Elaborate please? are you saying i'm clinging on to my beliefs? i don't understand your refernece to speed racers post?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #65 January 2, 2007 More this part: Quoteyep, if you want to cling to a conspriracy theory, pretty much anything will suffice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #66 January 2, 2007 Quotewhy would they shoot down planes that were off course? The whole purpose of my argument was to demonstrate the irrelevance of the military aircraft and they not being scrambled in time. We have not shot down an aircraft over the U.S. We've always escorted. We never would have shot them down. We knew they were hijacked, We didn't know what they were going to do. This has never happened before. 20/20 hindsight is not a way of debunking a govt involvement. Quoteso your counter argument is that bin laden's cave is the technological equivalent to norads command center No, you missed it. The counter argument was that directing out of a cave is possible. The way you wrote it, you made it seem that Bin Laden couldn't have directed it out of a cave. Quoteit looks like your arguments are just the utilization of junk logic. Nope. Fact and Real experience. Join the Service. Get a Clearance. You will learn a lot about how the real world works, and true abilities of the Govt and Military. Its a complete different world from fantasy writers and Tom Clancy._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyflyer 0 #67 January 2, 2007 QuoteWe didn't know what they were going to do. yes utilizing junk logic it would have been difficult to predict what the other three planes were going to do once the first one struck, but using regular logic we can see that if one plane struck the wtc and another is headed in the same direction..well i'll let you try to figure out the rest. QuoteNo, you missed it. The counter argument was that directing out of a cave is possible thats a good one"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #68 January 2, 2007 QuoteErm...well...there are some who think the US government did it. Some think that God did it. However, I believe the evidence firmly points to one asshat named Usama Bin Ladin, and his organization (may they rot in deepest darkest hottest hell) Al Q'aida. If you're looking for discussion/argument, run a search - there are myriad threads discussing this ad nauseum...you should be able to find one which matches your own opinion. Ciels- Michele Well putWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #69 January 2, 2007 Quote but using regular logic we can see that if one plane struck the wtc and another is headed in the same direction..well i'll let you try to figure out the rest. That's not regular logic. That's called Assumption. See, that's the big problem here. You don't go around shooting down airliners full of civillians based on a hunch. Remember, this has never happened before. Just because one plane flies through doesn't mean the others were going to. We didn't have that information previously. Again, Hindsight is 20/20._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyflyer 0 #70 January 2, 2007 there is no point in arguing wether or not the planes would have been shot down. the point is that the jets were not even scrambled as is the normal procedure. shooting down hijacked planes after the first plane hit certainly would have been on the table."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #71 January 2, 2007 You say "the point is that the jets were not even scrambled as is the normal procedure" Are you claiming that this is proof of government involvement? It might be if you also assume that the government never fucks up But... if the government never fucks up then where did all this juicy evidence you have that proves government involvment come from?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #72 January 2, 2007 Again, as I said: QuoteThe whole purpose of my argument was to demonstrate the irrelevance of the military aircraft and they not being scrambled in time. This whole "aircraft scrambling" stuff does nothing to add to the overall conspiracy theory of Govt involvement. It's not even evidence._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyflyer 0 #73 January 2, 2007 QuoteThis whole "aircraft scrambling" stuff does nothing to add to the overall conspiracy theory of Govt involvement. i disagree. when there are hundreds, more likely thousands of jets scrambles in the decade before 9/11 with an average time of 10-20 min for off course flights. on 9/11 we have 4 hijacked planes, planes stricking builings during an hour an a half with no jets scrambled. this is the largest terrorist attack on america in history and no jets were scrambled for an hour and a half when normal intercept time is 15 min. the references(quotes from the military) for these claims have been posted in the other thread."Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #74 January 2, 2007 when there are hundreds, more likely thousands of jets scrambles in the decade before 9/11 with an average time of 10-20 min for off course flights. on 9/11 we have 4 hijacked planes, planes stricking builings during an hour an a half with no jets scrambled. this is the largest terrorist attack on america in history and no jets were scrambled for an hour and a half when normal intercept time is 15 min. the references(quotes from the military) for these claims have been posted in the other thread. Quote just a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #75 January 3, 2007 Quotejust a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter? FINALLY! Someone understands what I'm trying to say!!_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
nanook 1 #75 January 3, 2007 Quotejust a quick side note on the jet scrambling aspect, what would jets "entercepting these planes have done? maybe the one headed towards the pentagon would be shot down, maybe, but the ones flying over NYC, the jets would have done little more than escort them to the WTC. So why does this even matter? FINALLY! Someone understands what I'm trying to say!!_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
