Iraq vs. Civil War of the United States of America

[shropshire 0]

<> - Then in this... we agree.

But if 'we' do stay, 'we' need to do what is right for the innocent locals and NOT of our With-Profits coorporations!!


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[Gawain 0]

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I agree with you completely, it also highlights a major difference between the two wars, because during our civil war there was no foriegn nation caught up between us.

Not at all true. Both the UK and France were meddling in the affairs on both sides of the Mason/Dixon line. While it wasn't direct military involvement, each country had an interest in seeing the "young" USA fail.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[rehmwa 2]

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no, it's more like swimming with sharks. Do it long enough and things will get real ugly real quick.

that's also true with swimming with old people or fat people

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[kallend 2,026]

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Hey News Flash.... If the Foriegn Military forces weren't there, then the insurgents would likely not be able to have a pop at them - now would they?

Chicken or Egg?

Exactly my point. Our presence there invites violence.

Yes, and the presence of provocatively dressed women invites rape.

Hey, Uncle Joe Stalin could have used that line to justify his occupation of Poland, E. Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary...

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[spudboy 0]

you forgot to mention all the native americans that took part in the US Civil war, but I would be more inclined to compare France and the UK's involvement to that of Iran and Syria's medling in our war in Iraq

[crwtom 0]

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You also might be interested to know that it took Germany's insurgents about 4 years to finally give up after the end of WWII.

this must be a joke - a German post-WWII insurgency?

never heard of such a thing

Cheers, T

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[AggieDave 6]

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this must be a joke - a German post-WWII insurgency?

never heard of such a thing

Are you serious or are you joking with your post?

I really hope you're joking...

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[billvon 2,990]

>Do do you believe that we should back away (saving American lives)
>and allow them to have their own civil war?

At this point we should set a date and withdraw troops starting on that date, while giving them all the help they could possibly want training their own military. This "we'll stay here forever no matter how lazy you guys are" tactic isn't producing results. Once the new Iraqi government knows they won't have disposable US troops forever, they might well start to get serious about training their own troops.

And if they fail? That really sucks. We will have made a bad problem worse. That's still better for the US than participating in someone else's civil war.

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posted September 23, 2005 at 10:30 a.m.

The 'myth' of Iraq's foreign fighters

Report by US think tank says only '4 to 10' percent of insurgents are foreigners.

By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com
The US and Iraqi governments have vastly overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, and most of them don't come from Saudi Arabia, according to a new report from the Washington-based Center for Strategic International Studies (CSIS). According to a piece in The Guardian, this means the US and Iraq " feed the myth" that foreign fighters are the backbone of the insurgency. While the foreign fighters may stoke the insurgency flames, they make up only about 4 to 10 percent of the estimated 30,000 insurgents.
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From the recently released Iraq study group report:

"Most attacks against Americans still come from the Sunni insurgency. . . . It has significant support with the Sunni Arab community. . . . Al-Qaida in Iraq is now largely Iraqi-run and composed of Sunni Arabs. Foreign fighters - numbering an estimated 1,300 - play a supporting role or carry out suicide operations."

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