Pedro1960 0 #1 January 10, 2007 Dear Friends, Please see this (it´s VERY hard to see!) http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin and, after if you feel like doing something to stop those images go here and sign. After, spread the word: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/golfinho/petition.html The dolphins can't talk like us (and they live in the sea not in the air...), but I´m sure they will thank you, in their language. Regards Pedro Taborda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #2 January 10, 2007 dophin massacre in Japan? I always thought the Dolphins got massacred in Chicago. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #3 January 10, 2007 Who are WE to tell THEM what to do?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 January 10, 2007 QuoteWho are WE to tell THEM what to do? You beat me to it... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 January 10, 2007 If dolphins massacre a few helpless people, well, we've been making them jump through hoops just to finance the jobs of a few marine biologists - so it's a fair trade. But I don't think it's very polite of the dolphins. No sir, no sir ree Bob. "but I´m sure they will thank you, in their language" ip ip ip ip ack ack ip ack skree ack ack ip skree phew skree skree ack ack ack ack ip ack ack ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #6 January 10, 2007 QuoteThe dolphins can't talk like us (and they live in the sea not in the air...), but I´m sure they will thank you, in their language. The dolphins would only thank us if they knew what we were preventing. If they knew what we were preventing, they'd stay the hell away from Japan. Of course, if it suddenly stopped, they'd have no idea that I had anything to do with it. Instead of doing it for dolphins who would thank us for it, why not simply do it for the sake of doing something good? The dolphins don't know that Japanese slaughter them like that. The only ones that do can't tell anyone because they soon are dead. The dolphins won't know about a petition to stop it, The dolphins won't know I signed the petition, because we can't tell them I signed it. The dolphins won't know to thank me. The dolphins won't know to thank anybody or anything. Even if we could tell them, they couldn't thank us back. The dolphins can't thank us for anything. We can't speak for dolphins. edited to add: If you want to see a REAL holocaust, check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wSnpd1evoI The details of the devastation caused to the poor critters are deliberately not shown - only the cruel system used to deliver death. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 January 10, 2007 Quoteif you feel like doing something to stop those images go here and sign. After, spread the word: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/golfinho/petition.html Quote: "These dolphins do not belong to Japan . The status of the species of dolphins and whales that you kill are either endangered, threatened, or unknown. It is an unthinkable waste that they will likely end up as a meat product or deceptively sold as whale meat, polluted with toxic levels of mercury and cadmium, killing people that eat it. It is tragic and unacceptable that the remaining dolphins that are not killed will end up destined for death in an aquarium, water park, or "swim with dolphins" program." Um, you've got a few facts wrong there. But if everyone who ate the dolphin meat died from it, don't you think that would cause the hunting to cease immediately? Do you think that the Japanese enjoy commiting suicide by eating poison meat? Do you think that dolphins in the wild don't die eventually, just like dolphins in aquariums? Shouldn't your petition apply to fish and other sea life too? Heck, those slant-eyes even eat things like eels and octopus. The Japanese slaughter an awful lot of those critters also. Oh, by the way, most dolphin species are neither endangered nor threatened. Your petition is rather worthless, in my opinion, except that it makes people feel good. I don't think that the 165 names you've collected are going to sway the Prime Minister. You would do better putting your wallet where your mouth is and donating some cash to a wildlife conservation fund that has some clout. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pedro1960 0 #8 January 10, 2007 After reading your comments, I can understand how and why a country elected a asshole 2 times in a role, and why it is probably the most hated country in the world. The inteligent people around there are very few unfortunately... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #9 January 10, 2007 QuoteYour petition is rather worthless, in my opinion, except that it makes people feel good. Signing that petition made me feel good. I love dolphins. Now I am going to Florida to fish for some manatees with dynamite._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #10 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteYour petition is rather worthless, in my opinion, except that it makes people feel good. Signing that petition made me feel good. I love dolphins. Now I am going to Florida to fish for some manatees with dynamite.Yeah. Kill a few for me. I'm tired of them fucking up my boat propellersI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #11 January 10, 2007 I do love a good Dolphin steak... but it's nothing compared to Spotted Owl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 January 10, 2007 I have it on good authority that the ones behind all this sectarian violence are the Porpoises. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 January 10, 2007 QuoteAfter reading your comments, I can understand how and why a country elected a asshole 2 times in a role, and why it is probably the most hated country in the world. The inteligent people around there are very few unfortunately... Yeah, we amerercans may be some dum asswholes, but we be dangd proud of owselves, and we gots lots o guns. So dont you mess wit us! Where da heck is dat portugal place anyhow? Aint dat in africka somwheres? I agree wit you bout that damn Billy Clinton - he relly was a big asshol. Oh, and thank yu for straigtning me out on dem dolphin things, bout how dey dont talk english, and live in de water. I dint know that befor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 January 10, 2007 QuoteI have it on good authority that the ones behind all this sectarian violence are the Porpoises. Actually, it's the sea otters, they desire to smash our heads on their tummies.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 January 10, 2007 Actually, i'll re-write the Petition into something I can sign in good faith and honesty: My rewrite (sans vitriol and puffery), is something that I can more readily support. I hate useless vitriol and puffery, and lacking an excessive number of adverbs. Quote We, the undersigned, are upset by the video accounts of the slaughter of dolphins and whales that takes place in Japan . In viewing videos of this hunt, we believe that the herding and killing of these dolphins not only is unnecessary, but unnecessarily brutal and inhumane. The general consensus worldwide is that humans should take necessary action to cease and prevent over-exploitation of the ocean's resources and to protect the creatures that live in them, including whale species. Under the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling, which was signed in Washington DC on 2nd December 1946, the International Whaling Commission was created, of which Japan is a member state. Japan presently utilizes a narrow interpretation that smaller Cetaceans, like dolphins and porpoises, are not protected under the ICW. Furthermore, Japan has apparently been issuing permits pursuant to Article VIII of the Convention to usurp the 1986 moratorium on whaling. While it appears that Japan has a colorable argument that it has the right to conduct these hunts under the Convention, it has been suggested that much of the whale meat is being sold as a product in the marketplace. Also, it appears that mothers and calves are being separated and/or killed, in violation of the Convention. The methods of herding, hooking and killing these dolphins are unnecessarily cruel, and antithetical to the world's understanding of the Japanese ethos. We request that Japan give a more open definition that include all Cretaceans as species protected under the Convention and the 1986 Moratorium. Further, re request that Japan institute a policy of greater deference toward advice of the Scientific Committee pursuant to rsolution 1999-2. We further request that Japan institute regulations regarding the whale hunt. As of 2005, Japan had no legislation to implement the 1986 moratorium, includes limits on catches and implementation of the final Recomendations of the Workshop on Whale killing Methods and Associated Welfare Issues, including: 1. practical criteria for determining the onset of irreversible insensibility and death; 2. means of improving the efficiency of whale killing methods; 3. reducing times to death and other associated welfare issues; 4. means for reducing struck and lost rates in whaling operations; 5. the welfare implications of methods used to kill whales caught in nets where they are not released alive; and 6. practicable methods of reviewing and collecting data from aboriginal hunts. While Japan has stated that, "‘Japan considers that the whale killing methods and associated welfare issues are outside the competence of the IWC. Therefore, its contributions, including provisions of data and attendance at the Working Group are made on a voluntary basis," we believe that even if Japan is not required to further reduce death times well beyond the average of 2 minutes it alleged for minke whales to at least 90 percent instantaneous death rate within the next two years. Finally, we request that Japan withdraw its JARPA II proposal pursuant to Resolution 2005-1. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #16 January 10, 2007 QuoteAfter reading your comments, I can understand how and why a country elected a asshole 2 times in a role, and why it is probably the most hated country in the world. The inteligent people around there are very few unfortunately... Do not listen to them ... they just wanna play. If you did expect any serious answer, sorry guy: That's wrong site. As a vegetarian, I know what you mean, I've seen the slaughtering in TV many times - we just have to accept that Dolphins for countries like Japon are not more than a dog for Chinese folks, or a turkey for Americans - something to eat, something you do not care about. But, there are more things to consider: Within our own continent, we should follow up the transportation of cattle, horses, pigs etc. down to south under circumstances, which made me cry - I am a member of International Protection of Horses and have seen lots of horrible transports leaving our own country ... Do not expect too much from this site. It's not made for this and should not be used for every single "animal problem" in the world - there are hundreds. It just needs folks like you to change something - good luck to you. I'm working on my own small fields - don't give up on yours. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #17 January 10, 2007 The problem with it is that he turned a "vent" into a petition. How many people here act upon the venting of significant others? And you can expect a governmental body to act upon the collective vent of a few hundred or a few thousand non-residents? Turn the vent into something that is useful and constructive. So, somebody says, to France, "We demand that France permanently and immediately renounce and stop this senseless slaughter and suffering for production of foie gras. We will work diligently to bring this issue to international light until you have ceased your reprehensible violence." Pussies that they are, France would STILL say, "Fuckez vous." If you want change, subvert. Build it up through the constituency. Anger and contempt are good things to have, except when such anger and contempt is directed by an outsider towards the person in power. Then it serves no purpose but to piss that person off. p.s. - by the way, why not try something that can be MORE useful? The ICW website is loaded with useful links? Pedro may choose to direct his energies by contacting Prof. J. M. M. M. Palmeirim, the Portuguese Commissioner to the ICW. I believe he's at Universidade de Lisboa. Wouldn't he be someone in a position of authority that you could actually help? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #18 January 10, 2007 sigh... a petition against dolphin killing somehow turns into america bashing MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #19 January 10, 2007 Agreed, Lawrocket. Nobody can be everywhere - everyone has its own preferences - like you mentioned about "Foi Gras" in France: For me a torture which is unbelievable - for them (and my husband is French ) something very tasty, so special ... we cannot change all bad treatments in the world in one day - it only can be done step by step. Means: Starting in own country before jumping into other country's matters, right? I've seen what they did to dolphins - horrible. I've seen what others did to seals - horrible too! WE CANNOT change those things in one day - OTOH: It needs ppl like Pedro to work on that - so I just say: Don't give up, go on wherever you are - you will hit ears that are prepared to listen to you, and every single voice counts. If you like to call on here at this site: Go on, too! But, pls, expect replies you do not like. Perhaps. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #20 January 10, 2007 Quotesigh... a petition against dolphin killing somehow turns into america bashing ??? Where ??? A bit touchy, right? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #21 January 10, 2007 It's the TONE of the Petition that would not be taken seriously. The point of a rant is often lost simply because it is a rant. People do not like rants. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #22 January 10, 2007 Quotefor production of foie gras Step away from the wonderfully delicate and buttery delicacy. Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #23 January 10, 2007 QuoteAfter reading your comments, I can understand how and why a country elected a asshole 2 times in a role, and why it is probably the most hated country in the world. The reason we are the most hated country in the world is because the rest of the world wishes they were in charge, when in fact it is us. And the reason we are in charge is because our men have balls made of steel that clink together when they walk.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #24 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuotefor production of foie gras Step away from the wonderfully delicate and buttery delicacy. Step away from it? Why? It's delectable! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #25 January 10, 2007 QuoteAs a vegetarian, I know what you mean... You're a vegetarian, yet you like to hunt. So what do you do with the meat from the game you kill? And if you're so concerned about the welfare of animals, then why do you hunt? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
