How can we stop Bush?

[kallend 2,106]

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Protests didn't stop Vietnam

I still think the protests had a salutory effect, even if only at an anemic pace. They helped cause LBJ to withdraw from running for a 2nd term, when he might have continued escalation had he been reelected. As the protests grew more widespread, more and more people in the mainstream of American society opened their eyes to the truth of the Vietnam fiasco and were willing to say so publicly. (LBJ is quoted as saying, "If I've lost Walter Cronkite, I've lost the country." And remember the beloved Dr. Benjamin Spock protesting the war?) .

You are showing your age. A lot of the "new right", unfortunately, have no actual memory of this, or Watergate. Each generation thinks its parent's generation was stupid.

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[kallend 2,106]

Bush is betting 20,000 additional American boys' lives on the ability of the Maliki government to deliver.

Is it a bet that anyone would make if they really had US interests at heart?

Bush is doing it because he only has his own interests at heart. It's a wild gamble with other people's lives in an attempt to avoid going down as the worst president in US history.

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>Just a story for the agenda driven.

Here are some comments from the lying liberal . . . uh . . . US troops in iraq:

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Caldwell, a tall, lean 20-year-old from Montesano, Wash, . . echoed a sentiment shared by many in his squad: "They're kicking a dead horse here. The Iraqi army can't stand up on their own."

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"They feed us what they want," said Spec. Josh Lake, 26, of Ventura, Calif., referring to Iraqi intelligence. "I guarantee that everyone in the city knows where we're going. Because the IA told them. The only thing they don't know is how big a force we're coming with."

"Pretty soon the Shiites will be tired of our presence, just like the Sunnis," said Lake, noting that the squad now makes almost daily trips to Hurriyah.

"The general feeling among us is we're not really doing anything here," Caldwell said. "We clear one neighborhood, then another one fires up. It's an ongoing battle. It never ends."

"We're constantly being told that it's not our fight. It is their fight," said Sgt. Jose Reynoso, 24, of Yuma, Ariz., speaking of the Iraqi army. "But that's not the case. Whenever we go and ask them for guys, they almost always say no, and we have to do the job ourselves."

"You do have corruption problems among the ranks," said Sgt. Justin Hill, 24, of Abilene Tex., the squad leader. "I don't know what they can do about that. They have militias inside them. They are pretty much everywhere."

Caldwell, as he listened to the conversation, leaned his head back and said:

"I want to go back and play my PlayStation."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/11/AR2007011102219.html

I do not think anyone will deny that there are those with this opinion out there. OK, it is noted but, it is not the majority opinion of those that are there. Not ever close. So, it is what it is.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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You are showing your age.

Could be worse. Coulda been showing your age.

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Good Lord Lady!

If Bush is going to Hell because of his job performance and use of words, would not your beloved Clinton be sitten' in the love seat of heat with him? That is, if the Ten Commandments are to be applied evenly and not selectively.

How about actual points for the discussion instead of blind hatred of the man because you are Left Wing DEM and he is right wing(admittedly way right) REP.

I personally think both parties have failed us and the system is full of nothing but corrupt individuals looking out for themselves and themselves alone.

But I see two exceptions, McCain and Leiberman, those two on a ticket and I vote there.

You want to stop the POTUS? Stop whining and start campaining for the fellow or woman (Hillary is falling in the polls so she is out as the DEM party is starting to back Obama more openly) you want. Plus as suggested earlier, yes write your reps in Capital Hill, if enough do it they will have to listen, they are after all in this for themselves and if your gonna help vote them out they will kiss you ass for the political reprieve.

Hating politicians in general,
Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[kallend 2,106]

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>Just a story for the agenda driven.

Here are some comments from the lying liberal . . . uh . . . US troops in iraq:

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Caldwell, a tall, lean 20-year-old from Montesano, Wash, . . echoed a sentiment shared by many in his squad: "They're kicking a dead horse here. The Iraqi army can't stand up on their own."

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"They feed us what they want," said Spec. Josh Lake, 26, of Ventura, Calif., referring to Iraqi intelligence. "I guarantee that everyone in the city knows where we're going. Because the IA told them. The only thing they don't know is how big a force we're coming with."

"Pretty soon the Shiites will be tired of our presence, just like the Sunnis," said Lake, noting that the squad now makes almost daily trips to Hurriyah.

"The general feeling among us is we're not really doing anything here," Caldwell said. "We clear one neighborhood, then another one fires up. It's an ongoing battle. It never ends."

"We're constantly being told that it's not our fight. It is their fight," said Sgt. Jose Reynoso, 24, of Yuma, Ariz., speaking of the Iraqi army. "But that's not the case. Whenever we go and ask them for guys, they almost always say no, and we have to do the job ourselves."

"You do have corruption problems among the ranks," said Sgt. Justin Hill, 24, of Abilene Tex., the squad leader. "I don't know what they can do about that. They have militias inside them. They are pretty much everywhere."

Caldwell, as he listened to the conversation, leaned his head back and said:

"I want to go back and play my PlayStation."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/11/AR2007011102219.html

I do not think anyone will deny that there are those with this opinion out there. OK, it is noted but, it is not the majority opinion of those that are there. Not ever close. So, it is what it is.

You can provide proof of your claim?

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>OK, it is noted but, it is not the majority opinion of those that are
>there. Not ever close. So, it is what it is.

In the most recent Army Times poll:

35% think Bush is doing a good job with the war
42% think he is doing a bad job

Only 50% think success in Iraq is likely

Only 41% think the US should have ever started a war with Iraq

13% think we should leave immediately

62% think the military is spread too thin

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How about actual points for the discussion instead of blind hatred of the man because you are Left Wing DEM and he is right wing(admittedly way right) REP.

In what way, shape, or form is GWB "right"?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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I made no such claim.

I only pointed out that Amazan does not either.

At least that is how I read the posts.

But to humor you, I think there is a little validity to the argument that we are meeting the terrorist in Iraq. Look at the incident in Irbil today, 5 Iranian SOF soldiers arrested with new weapons, large amounts of cash and communications gear. There has been a large amount of non-Iraqi Muslim Insurgents coming from Syria and Iran, but I only know that from personal experience.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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>Just a story for the agenda driven.

Here are some comments from the lying liberal . . . uh . . . US troops in iraq:

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Caldwell, a tall, lean 20-year-old from Montesano, Wash, . . echoed a sentiment shared by many in his squad: "They're kicking a dead horse here. The Iraqi army can't stand up on their own."

. . .

"They feed us what they want," said Spec. Josh Lake, 26, of Ventura, Calif., referring to Iraqi intelligence. "I guarantee that everyone in the city knows where we're going. Because the IA told them. The only thing they don't know is how big a force we're coming with."

"Pretty soon the Shiites will be tired of our presence, just like the Sunnis," said Lake, noting that the squad now makes almost daily trips to Hurriyah.

"The general feeling among us is we're not really doing anything here," Caldwell said. "We clear one neighborhood, then another one fires up. It's an ongoing battle. It never ends."

"We're constantly being told that it's not our fight. It is their fight," said Sgt. Jose Reynoso, 24, of Yuma, Ariz., speaking of the Iraqi army. "But that's not the case. Whenever we go and ask them for guys, they almost always say no, and we have to do the job ourselves."

"You do have corruption problems among the ranks," said Sgt. Justin Hill, 24, of Abilene Tex., the squad leader. "I don't know what they can do about that. They have militias inside them. They are pretty much everywhere."

Caldwell, as he listened to the conversation, leaned his head back and said:

"I want to go back and play my PlayStation."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/11/AR2007011102219.html

I do not think anyone will deny that there are those with this opinion out there. OK, it is noted but, it is not the majority opinion of those that are there. Not ever close. So, it is what it is.

You can provide proof of your claim?

The stories are posted (as it apears to me) that the point is being made that this is what the soldier think. I am not the one making a claim, others are. You prove your side.

As for my opinion. I know many over there. I know many parents who have sons and dauters over there. Not once have I heard comments close to those posted.

No, you prove it is the statisical norm for the views posted........

It would not matter if I did thought as you would flame the data and the calculations even it they were perfect.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Blair make an argument to your quesion.

Ya it is from newsmax linked from Reuters.

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/1/12/111717.shtml?s=lh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Bush is betting 20,000 additional American boys'

Ahhhhh, don't leave out the girls, might offend some infantry wannabe chick...

Problem is we are only sending in 20,000 instead of 500,000 and a shit-load of ordinance to get the job done right.

If we cut and run then 3,000 of our military fighting men and women have lost their lives for nothing and we will have proven to the world that America does not have the resolve to stay the course and follow through her commitments to the final resolution...
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>If we cut and run then 3,000 of our military fighting men and women
>have lost their lives for nothing and we will have proven to the world that
> America does not have the resolve to stay the course and follow through
>her commitments to the final resolution...

So what? Who cares? What gets damaged, other than our big american egos?

We did the "cut and run" thing in Vietnam after losing a whole lot more soldiers. Our biggest mistake there was not leaving sooner. We seemed to survive. Indeed, we "beat" the USSR in the long run, once we realized the way to do that was economically and not militarily.

So the question becomes - is it better to leave after losing 3000, or after losing 30,000?

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In the most recent Army Times poll:

35% think Bush is doing a good job with the war
42% think he is doing a bad job

Only 50% think success in Iraq is likely

Only 41% think the US should have ever started a war with Iraq

13% think we should leave immediately

62% think the military is spread too thin

NOW, but when this was all started the polls were different. I will agree that the numbers are falling at a terrible rate. But how many voted "Yes" now say "No". That is the problem IMO with polls. They only count the opinion now. I would love to see how many backed the invasion who now vote it is a bad idea.

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>I would love to see how many backed the invasion who now vote it is a bad idea.

Probably quite a few. Which is fine - learning is a good thing.

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If Bush is going to Hell because of his job performance and use of words, would not your beloved Clinton be sitten' in the love seat of heat with him?

All depends on their TRUE rleationship with GOD..

How many of the Ten Commandments do you think GW has broken repeatedly... I saw his true face of what he believes in the National Prayer service after the election....Truely enlightening...

Bill... definitely adultery... guess as I said it all depends on their personal level of hypocrisy of if they truely beleive they are saved.. and if GOD thinks so...they both are supposedly devout men.. but I think in Georges case.. its just a sham for the sheeple.

In the long run its not my call to judge I will leave that up to GOD

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Blair make an argument to your quesion.

Ya it is from newsmax linked from Reuters.

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/1/12/111717.shtml?s=lh

I'm not sure how one makes an argument to a question, but please point out where in that article Blair describes Bush as "right" (as in "right-wing").

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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How many of the Ten Commandments do you think GW has broken repeatedly...

Guess that means I'm goin' to Hell.

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If we cut and run then 3,000 of our military fighting men and women have lost their lives for nothing and we will have proven to the world that America does not have the resolve to stay the course and follow through her commitments to the final resolution...
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This logic justifies throwing every serviceman and woman you can find into the meatgrinder.

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Guess that means I'm goin' to Hell.

IT certainly is a matter of scale.. and certainly intent...IT also relies on your belief system.. do you believe... have youasked for redress of that which you knew was wrong...

George says he believes.. and since his rebirth he can do these kinds of actions on a monumental scale???

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I do not think anyone will deny that there are those with this opinion out there. OK, it is noted but, it is not the majority opinion of those that are there. Not ever close. So, it is what it is.

You can provide proof of your claim?

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NOW, but when this was all started the polls were different. I will agree that the numbers are falling at a terrible rate. But how many voted "Yes" now say "No". That is the problem IMO with polls. They only count the opinion now. I would love to see how many backed the invasion who now vote it is a bad idea.

Good judgment is the result of experience.

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Guess that means I'm goin' to Hell.

It also relies on your belief system..

It also relies on your belief system???

I don't understand...

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I do not think anyone will deny that there are those with this opinion out there. OK, it is noted but, it is not the majority opinion of those that are there. Not ever close. So, it is what it is.

You can provide proof of your claim?

The stories are posted (as it apears to me) that the point is being made that this is what the soldier think. I am not the one making a claim, others are. You prove your side.

As for my opinion. I know many over there. I know many parents who have sons and dauters over there. Not once have I heard comments close to those posted.

No, you prove it is the statisical norm for the views posted........

It would not matter if I did thought as you would flame the data and the calculations even it they were perfect.

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One persons opinion is the majority?

Wow

Seems to work in this Whitehouse.