Bush/Cheney Impeachment

[rehmwa 2]

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The people who are living outside of reality are those that do not think he lied under oath, or that it is not perjury.

"He did kill someone, but since he wasn't convicted, he didn't murder someone - since murder is a legal term."

In that sense, he wasn't convicted of perjury.

See, it all depends on the definition of 'is'.

This is fun.

But, really, I heard somewhere that the California legislature was filing some sort of gesture to try and get support to impeach a lame duck US executive.

I wonder what people think about that?

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[DaVinci 0]

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We ignore it because it's IRRELEVANT!

You ignore it since you feel it makes your side less "validated" in your outrage against the other side.

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Here's an exercise: Next time there's a thread about Bush, try -- TRY -- to discuss Bush. Try to let there be one conversation about Bush that you DON'T turn to Clinton.

Lets try this...Next time there is a thread about Bush, how about you only make statements you can prove, or at least add IMO?

And when in a disagreement how about not making any attacks on the poster?

[narcimund 0]

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We ignore it because it's IRRELEVANT!

You ignore it since you feel it makes your side less "validated" in your outrage against the other side.

And you can prove this psychic analysis of my intentions?

No, I didn't think so. I guess those conversational rules you preach come with a self-exemption -- there must have been a Signing Statement.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[billvon 2,990]

>>Let's say Bush is impeached for deceiving Congress and the
>>US public into supporting a war. He is found innocent and not
>>removed from office.

>The Dems could say he was guilty. In fact *I* would as well. I would
>have no issue with anyone saying he was guilty in that situation.

"However, I hope that if found not guilty then you guys would stop the bashing."

DaVinci, meet Mr. DaVinci, who apparently disagrees with you; apparently he wishes you would stop your bashing. You two have a few points to argue over, I believe.

[kallend 2,026]

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Do I believe he believes what he said is true???
Yes.. growing up in the Bible Belt is the root cause.. because in his mind and many men in the south.. a blow job just is not SEX.
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I grew up in England, and a BJ or HJ were definitely not considered SEX there when I was a teenager.

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[DaVinci 0]

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DaVinci, meet Mr. DaVinci, who apparently disagrees with you; apparently he wishes you would stop your bashing. You two have a few points to argue over, I believe.

"Hi davinci! Do you think a guy that admitted he did something that was illegal is guilty?"

davinci: "Yes, I mean hell, *he admitted it*!"

"Oh, OK...You are right, he did. Never mind."

[rehmwa 2]

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I grew up in England, and a BJ or HJ were definitely not considered SEX there when I was a teenager.

It's a common thing for teenage boys to tell their girlfriends....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Gravitymaster 0]

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I grew up in England, and a BJ or HJ were definitely not considered SEX there when I was a teenager.

It's a common thing for teenage boys to tell their girlfriends....

I always found the indirect approach worked better. I'll bet there are still some women out there who believe in submarine races.

[kallend 2,026]

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I grew up in England, and a BJ or HJ were definitely not considered SEX there when I was a teenager.

It's a common thing for teenage boys to tell their girlfriends....

You got no credit from your peers, either. Since we didn't have baseball, we used a 10 point scale and you could only claim an "8". "Real" sex was "10".

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Amazon 7]

I think some of our right wing friends are confused about which base they are getting to.

[billvon 2,990]

>"Hi davinci! Do you think a guy that admitted he did something
>that was illegal is guilty?"
>davinci: "Yes, I mean hell, *he admitted it*!"
>"Oh, OK...You are right, he did. Never mind."

See? It's so much more efficient that way.

[sundevil777 102]

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>I wouldn't say the hardcores on either side are really any different from each other.

Quite true. Just don't point that out to them. They absolutely hate that. "I'm just an average (democrat/republican) and have nothing to do with those lying, corrupt, amoral (republicans/democrats) - and I'm insulted that you would compare me to them!"

Or better yet - "I'm an independent thinker, not beholden to any party. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the (left/right). It's sad how the (left/right) gets away with all this stuff that the more moral (right/left) is accused of."

Know what is also quite funny?

I think you are pretty darn close to fitting those stereotype descriptions.

Many likely think the same of me.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[kallend 2,026]

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>I wouldn't say the hardcores on either side are really any different from each other.

Quite true. Just don't point that out to them. They absolutely hate that. "I'm just an average (democrat/republican) and have nothing to do with those lying, corrupt, amoral (republicans/democrats) - and I'm insulted that you would compare me to them!"

Or better yet - "I'm an independent thinker, not beholden to any party. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the (left/right). It's sad how the (left/right) gets away with all this stuff that the more moral (right/left) is accused of."

Know what is also quite funny?

I think you are pretty darn close to fitting those stereotype descriptions.

Many likely think the same of me.

Yup.

“Don’t confuse me with the facts. I’m going to stick with my president even if he and I have to be taken out of this building and shot.” Congressman Earl Landgrebe (R, Indiana), Aug. 7, 1974

(Nixon resigned Aug 8, 1974)

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[jumprunner 0]

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I still feel I benefited from your service, if your not there, who would have been there in your place?

Somebody else who needed a job.

I dont see how you benfit from anything I did, but if you insist on benefiting on something, then benefit on this:

You know those gas masks and charcoal filter suits you have for chemical warefare that are supposed to keep you alive? Well, they dont, because thats not what theyre meant for. They are meant to keep you alive "a little longer", so you can fire more bullets. But in any chemical attack, your chances of survival are pretty bad.

In a chemical attack, always save one bullet so you can shoot yourself after the onset of symptoms.

There, NOW you benefited from my service, you now know what to do if you are exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I was in the Chemical Corps for three years and worked in a chemcial warefare compound.

Heres a little more. Atropine and 2-PAM Chloride will make you sicker than nerve gas. By the time you inhale a lethal dose of nerve gas, it is too late. It is oderless and undetectable, so by the time you find out there is nerve gas in the area, you have already taken in a lethal dose.

Signing up for Iraq was pretty stupid. Do you realize what Sadam Hussein could have done? How many US soldiers he could have killed? Would have made Vietnam look like a walk in the park.

Ofcourse I havent said anything about biological weapons, like the Soviet manufactured yellow rain. You dont want to hear about that.

There are also lethal strains of anthrax reported comming out of the middle east, and reports of people getting sick comming back from Iraq. Biological weapons are also undetectable.

You know, people tend to become less boastful about military service when they are faced with things like that. It goes from "Hey, Im a hero and I fought for your rights" to "Get me the fuck outta here!". Vietnam was a perfect example of that.

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you just projected your anger over the MSM's claim at me.

Wrong. The anger is projected at Bush and the trouble he has caused since he has been in office, along with everything that is associated with Bush and his type of mentality. The list goes on and on. Those who want to support him are not in touch with reality, and that is what really bugs me. They completely ignore the truth and push senseless rhetoric as an excuse for the things that Bush does economically and politically.

And if that isnt enough, most who support him are the ones he screws the most. Like, for instance, anyone who isnt rich or isnt the CEO of a corporation. These are the things Im firing at, not you or anyone personally. The politics, the bullshit, the propaganda, there is no end to it.

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"The Flag, now that is interesting since the word "Socialism" is being used in the California and National Media about a current item of legislation "

I know what youre referring to. The public medical insurance proposal. Everyone is so quick to shout "SOCIALISM!".

Its always the ones who are okay and have medical insurance who dont need it that think its a bad idea. The ones who dont have it who do need it think otherwise. One calls it socialism, the other calls it a right to life.

This sure is a self centered society we live in, isnt it?

The question remains, will it work? It will be at a cost of 12 billion dollars, but on the other side of the coin, medical costs have skyrocketed in order to make up for those that are not insured. So if it solved that problem, then maybe it will be cost efficient, but I think it would need to solve that problem to be realistic.

I dont think it is socialism, I think it is an attempt to solve a problem other than the usual "looking the other way", a political strategy popularized by the Mexican government and supported by the Republicans.

As far as national medical insurance, I can tell you, that if you took all the money that was squandered away in Iraq, that had abolutely no benefit at all to anyone in the US, you would be able to fund a national insurance program with money left over.

That amount of taxpayers money could have actually been used to do something good, instead of something destructive.

Did anything good, at all, come out of Iraq? Did we benefit from it in any way possible? It did not stop terrorism at all, as a matter of fact, it escalated terrorism. On an economic level, they keep sending more and more troops to Iraq, the economy just keeps getting worse and worse, and the deficit keeps getting bigger and bigger. And that is what our tax dollars are being used for....to make life harder for all of us.

Who do you think is going to bear the burden of what Bush is spending on Iraq? Not Bush. Take a look in the mirror....thats who.

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It would not even be an issue now except you and others ignore he admitted to it

We ignore it because it's IRRELEVANT! This thread is about BUSH -- not Clinton.

You're obsessed, man. Concentrate. Try to get Clinton out of your mind. It was a decade ago!

Here's an exercise: Next time there's a thread about Bush, try -- TRY -- to discuss Bush. Try to let there be one conversation about Bush that you DON'T turn to Clinton.

I know it's hard. But you can do it. We all believe in you.

LOL. I cant catch my breath!

All Bush supporters: Try the above excersise three times a day.

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does that mean "Clinton is legally innocent of the charges brought against him"?

OK, lets settle that argument. If Clinton lied about getting a BJ and got away with it, then it is only fair that Bush should be able to lie about Iraq and get away with it. Fair is fair. From now on, if any Democrat gets a blowjob, then the suceeding Republican has permission to spend the taxpayers money getting people killed.

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does anyone actually look up past factual information anymore or just look on the Internet to make their informed decision?

look up UNSCOM around 97 and see what you find, the Iraq weapons sanctions didn't even start with Dubya...

I happen to actually know one of the UN weapons inspectors that was in Iraq in 97.

[matthewcline 0]

As far as NBC stuff, been there and done that too. I did not learn any thing new in your rant.

Well not true, Your right, I guess I learned I did not benefit from your service.

You still posted your anger aimed at my post, my fault for posting to you first.

As for the state medical insurance, I only used a word from a San Mateo news paper. Maybe if the laws prevented such huge payouts for law suits Doctors wouldn't have to over charge patients so they can have funds for Insurance. Then maybe a visit to a Doctor would be a little cheaper and the less well off can pay for the visit?

The idea is good until you ask why we need it. Once you look into why those with lower incomes can't afford the health care they need, you realize your only perpetuating the problem and not doing any thing to actually fix it.

Yes the amount of money spent in Iraq would make for a hell of a lot better Health system, Pay and benefits system for Gov. Employees, cleaner National Parks, cleaner air projects, the options are limitless.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[Lindsey 0]

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does anyone actually look up past factual information anymore or just look on the Internet to make their informed decision?

look up UNSCOM around 97 and see what you find, the Iraq weapons sanctions didn't even start with Dubya...

I happen to actually know one of the UN weapons inspectors that was in Iraq in 97.

As far as I can tell, not many people are outraged by inspectors having been in Iraq prior to the invasion. That's not the part that's a problem.

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

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It would not even be an issue now except you and others ignore he admitted to it

We ignore it because it's IRRELEVANT! This thread is about BUSH -- not Clinton.

You're obsessed, man. Concentrate. Try to get Clinton out of your mind. It was a decade ago!

Here's an exercise: Next time there's a thread about Bush, try -- TRY -- to discuss Bush. Try to let there be one conversation about Bush that you DON'T turn to Clinton.

I know it's hard. But you can do it. We all believe in you.

LOL. I cant catch my breath!

All Bush supporters: Try the above excersise three times a day.

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does that mean "Clinton is legally innocent of the charges brought against him"?

OK, lets settle that argument. If Clinton lied about getting a BJ and got away with it, then it is only fair that Bush should be able to lie about Iraq and get away with it. Fair is fair. From now on, if any Democrat gets a blowjob, then the suceeding Republican has permission to spend the taxpayers money getting people killed.

Why do you and yours perpetuate the testified about a bj lie?

As billwon stated in another thread.....say it enough and it will become true.

The truth man, go find it!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[sundevil777 102]

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does anyone actually look up past factual information anymore or just look on the Internet to make their informed decision?

look up UNSCOM around 97 and see what you find, the Iraq weapons sanctions didn't even start with Dubya...

I happen to actually know one of the UN weapons inspectors that was in Iraq in 97.

As far as I can tell, not many people are outraged by inspectors having been in Iraq prior to the invasion. That's not the part that's a problem.

The inspectors were not allowed/delayed access to places they wanted to inspect, etc. It was a part of the overall problem - that SH was not complying as he needed to do to prevent military action.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[dan_iv 0]

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does anyone actually look up past factual information anymore or just look on the Internet to make their informed decision?

look up UNSCOM around 97 and see what you find, the Iraq weapons sanctions didn't even start with Dubya...

I happen to actually know one of the UN weapons inspectors that was in Iraq in 97.

As far as I can tell, not many people are outraged by inspectors having been in Iraq prior to the invasion. That's not the part that's a problem.

As was already mentioned that was only a part of the problem, and if you look a little more deeply into what UNSCOM was reporting at that time there are lots of other things beside being denied to search or delaying searches that went on. Documentation about chemical weapons, containers found that were used for testing beds for such weapons as VX gas. But that is all besides the point I was attempting to make.

This war was set into motion well before Bush took office, as a matter of fact it was before either Bush took office.

whether the invasion of Iraq is right or wrong, only history will be a good judge of that, and it also depends on who's history books you are reading. The saddest thing about all of this is we (the USA) are so split right now (politically), the divide is just growing deeper every year.

The days of the moderate (centrists) are going by the way side which is a bad thing IMHO.