akarunway 1 #1 January 17, 2007 Against another sovereign nation? What would the U.S. do if someone invaded our airspace? And a question for some of you military folks. I know we spy from WAY up. Is there a vertical altitude considered sovereign airspace? http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-01/17/content_5615540.htmI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 January 17, 2007 Flyovers are not an act of war. They probably prevent more wars than they could ever start. Getting shot down? That's the price of doing business and it goes both ways. For the U.S., anything flying above it will attract attention. The FAA is concerned with anything below 60,000 feet for the purposes of air traffic control and the U.S. Military anything above from the surface to as far as they can sense. Actually, the U.S. military is also going to be concerned with certain objects not even over U.S. airspace, for instance, anything getting on course with the Clark Belt. By U.N treaty, nobody "owns" anything in space. So, even though we landed first on the Moon, we couldn't/didn't "claim" it like people did in the land rushes during our country's creation.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #3 January 17, 2007 QuoteFlyovers are not an act of war. They probably prevent more wars than they could ever start. Getting shot down? That's the price of doing business and it goes both ways.I just did a little research and it seems it is an act of war if intentional. There are some international treaties designating out space as neutral but no consensus on where outer space starts. I found some other interesting stuff while digging but it's mostly anti American so I'm not even gonna go thereI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #4 January 17, 2007 If so we need to invade Canada ASAP for not only counterfieting American currency, but for inserting tracking devices in them. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony_Blair 0 #5 January 17, 2007 do the have WMD's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #6 January 17, 2007 QuoteIs this an act of war? No. Would the US go to war if a spy plane flew into our airspace? Probably not, but I bet we'd shoot it down too.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #7 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteIs this an act of war? No. Would the US go to war if a spy plane flew into our airspace? Probably not, but I bet we'd shoot it down too.Donno. You tell me. From the U.S >Sec.4 (a) 2 http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/warpow.html But then again we don't declare war anymore. We just do what the fuck we want Edit to add: We know damn well those drones are armed w/ Hellfire missilesI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 January 17, 2007 Well at least they have come to the point where its just a drone that goes down..... Its far better than having a pilot or crew that we never hear from again..... that happened far too often during the cold war.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #9 January 17, 2007 The US denies that any UAVs have been shot down. http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/iran/articles/20070117.aspx Quote January 1 6, 2007: The government claimed it shot down an American UAV, but offered no evidence. The U.S. says it has not lost any UAVs lately. It's no secret that American UAVs regularly monitor the Iranian side of the Iran-Iraq border. We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #10 January 17, 2007 QuoteThe US denies that any UAVs have been shot down. http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/iran/articles/20070117.aspx Quote January 1 6, 2007: The government claimed it shot down an American UAV, but offered no evidence. The U.S. says it has not lost any UAVs lately. It's no secret that American UAVs regularly monitor the Iranian side of the Iran-Iraq border. Like the U.S. is going to admit it? Gimme a break. If Iranians are on the Iraqi side of the border, different story. How bout this little story>http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/calcm.html Interesting tale. The missile part. I strongly support the troops. Don't get me wrong. There are a few bad apples in every barrel sorry to sayI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #11 January 17, 2007 QuoteFlyovers are not an act of war. They probably prevent more wars than they could ever start. Getting shot down? That's the price of doing business and it goes both ways. For the U.S., anything flying above it will attract attention. The FAA is concerned with anything below 60,000 feet for the purposes of air traffic control and the U.S. Military anything above from the surface to as far as they can sense. Actually, the U.S. military is also going to be concerned with certain objects not even over U.S. airspace, for instance, anything getting on course with the Clark Belt. By U.N treaty, nobody "owns" anything in space. So, even though we landed first on the Moon, we couldn't/didn't "claim" it like people did in the land rushes during our country's creation. I believe the USSR was the first to plant its flag on the Moon (1966). http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Pennants.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #12 January 17, 2007 QuoteWell at least they have come to the point where its just a drone that goes down..... Its far better than having a pilot or crew that we never hear from again..... that happened far too often during the cold war.... depending on timing and location, downed UAV's are treated with the same seriousness as a downed pilot, if only so the sensor package isnt captured.. ofc you can use explosives to prevent that as well, something a Live pilot wouldnt appreciate very much____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 January 17, 2007 And apparently by "flag" you mean soccer ball. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #14 January 17, 2007 QuoteAnd apparently by pennant you mean soccer ball. Funny looking soccer ball.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 January 17, 2007 Hey, I was just goin' off the web page ya gave me! Sure as heck looked like a soccer ball on that one! In either case, that's not how anyone has ever laid claim to a chunk of rock before, at least not in the stereotypical guy steps off a boat, shoves a flag into the ground and says something to the effect of "I claim this land in the name of the Spanish Crown."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #16 January 17, 2007 QuoteBy U.N treaty, nobody "owns" anything in space. Wrong 10 points to anybody who can figure out why he is wrong.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteBy U.N treaty, nobody "owns" anything in space. Wrong 10 points to anybody who can figure out why he is wrong.... Chewbacca is from Endor, therefore, we might own our satellites and space probes? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 January 17, 2007 Nope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 January 17, 2007 We don't own our Voyager Space Craft? 2nd guess - Is it some kind of space faring black hole that sucks up private property and deposits it back at the Earth's core via a delicately balanced warping of space/time where the slightest upset of the natural balance of the hole which requires minute amounts of the ozone will reverse the black hole and spray us all into deep space. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #20 January 17, 2007 I prefer squirting to sprayingwww.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #21 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteBy U.N treaty, nobody "owns" anything in space. Wrong 10 points to anybody who can figure out why he is wrong.... Do I get the 10 points if I cop to my imprecise use of wording? Yes, yes, man-made satellites and spacecraft are owned and whatnot, but as to the Moon and other celestial bodies, nobody (from this planet) owns them. http://www.space.edu/projects/book/chapter30.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #22 January 17, 2007 QuoteI prefer squirting to spraying Hello little guy. Are you lost? Bonfire is over there..... (kidding) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #23 January 17, 2007 QuoteDo I get the 10 points if I cop to my imprecise use of wording? No, and I wasn't refering to man-made satellites and spacecraft either... The UN resolution states that no "country" can claim ownership, it says absolutely nothing about "private" ownership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #24 January 18, 2007 QuoteHow bout this little story>http://www.vialls.com/...olamerica/calcm.html Interesting tale. Are you serious? That article is a BAD piece of fiction. And to the comment about UAV's having hell fires on them. Ummm..........Not always. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #25 January 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteDo I get the 10 points if I cop to my imprecise use of wording? No, and I wasn't refering to man-made satellites and spacecraft either... The UN resolution states that no "country" can claim ownership, it says absolutely nothing about "private" ownership. So how do you stake a claim for a chunk of space?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rehmwa 2 #19 January 17, 2007 We don't own our Voyager Space Craft? 2nd guess - Is it some kind of space faring black hole that sucks up private property and deposits it back at the Earth's core via a delicately balanced warping of space/time where the slightest upset of the natural balance of the hole which requires minute amounts of the ozone will reverse the black hole and spray us all into deep space. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #20 January 17, 2007 I prefer squirting to sprayingwww.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteBy U.N treaty, nobody "owns" anything in space. Wrong 10 points to anybody who can figure out why he is wrong.... Do I get the 10 points if I cop to my imprecise use of wording? Yes, yes, man-made satellites and spacecraft are owned and whatnot, but as to the Moon and other celestial bodies, nobody (from this planet) owns them. http://www.space.edu/projects/book/chapter30.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 January 17, 2007 QuoteI prefer squirting to spraying Hello little guy. Are you lost? Bonfire is over there..... (kidding) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 January 17, 2007 QuoteDo I get the 10 points if I cop to my imprecise use of wording? No, and I wasn't refering to man-made satellites and spacecraft either... The UN resolution states that no "country" can claim ownership, it says absolutely nothing about "private" ownership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #24 January 18, 2007 QuoteHow bout this little story>http://www.vialls.com/...olamerica/calcm.html Interesting tale. Are you serious? That article is a BAD piece of fiction. And to the comment about UAV's having hell fires on them. Ummm..........Not always. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #25 January 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteDo I get the 10 points if I cop to my imprecise use of wording? No, and I wasn't refering to man-made satellites and spacecraft either... The UN resolution states that no "country" can claim ownership, it says absolutely nothing about "private" ownership. So how do you stake a claim for a chunk of space?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
