kallend 2,027 #26 January 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteDo I get the 10 points if I cop to my imprecise use of wording? No, and I wasn't refering to man-made satellites and spacecraft either... The UN resolution states that no "country" can claim ownership, it says absolutely nothing about "private" ownership. So how do you stake a claim for a chunk of space? You can get a whole star here... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #27 January 18, 2007 >So how do you stake a claim for a chunk of space? Same way you stake a claim for a chunk of water I suppose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #28 January 18, 2007 Talk to Dennis Hope, he has already claimed the moon and is selling it. read here: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1167467657040 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #29 January 18, 2007 QuoteTalk to Dennis Hope, he has already claimed the moon and is selling it. read here: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1167467657040 But who would he go to in order to enforce his ownership? Say someone buys a patch of the Sea of Tranquility and Nasa decides to send a craft there - how do they charge Nasa for using their land? An American court couldn't rule on it, they have no jurisdiction over the moon.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #30 January 18, 2007 Very true, and it will be interesting to see when that happens. Specially when/if they ever decide to build a permanent base on the moon. Dennis played it smart though. he sent a letter to the UN, the US and the USSR at the time claiming ownership. None of them ever replied to his, which I think wasn't smart. The UN resolution clearly states that no country can claim ownership, but nothing is said about private or corporate ownership. This will end up in a court case at some point, which will be interesting to follow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #31 January 18, 2007 QuoteThis will end up in a court case at some point, which will be interesting to follow. I see it going something like this Hope: I own the moon, pay me or get sued. Gov: Oh yeah? Go up there and kick us out then. Court: Nothing to do with us. Buh-Bye. For a court to rule on ownership of the moon they would have to show they have jurisdiction over the moon, which they aren't allowed to have, so they can't rule that Hope owns the moon. QED. (QED, did I use that right? I'm never quite sure.)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 January 18, 2007 It would probably be more likely to be a group of Israelis sueing the US government under international law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 January 19, 2007 This just in! http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html?eref=rss_topstories What is unfortunate about this is that in addition to taking out the first satellite, the thousands of pieces of debris make a horrible ugly mess that could wipe out additional satellites.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 January 19, 2007 Now all our military satellites will have to have anti-anti-satelite weapons on them so they cant be taken out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #35 January 19, 2007 QuoteWhat is unfortunate about this is that in addition to taking out the first satellite, the thousands of pieces of debris make a horrible ugly mess that could wipe out additional satellites. A 460nm polar orbit probably isn't too busy a piece of real estate, but yeah, space trash sucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #36 January 19, 2007 QuoteThis just in! http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html?eref=rss_topstories What is unfortunate about this is that in addition to taking out the first satellite, the thousands of pieces of debris make a horrible ugly mess that could wipe out additional satellites."The policy includes the right to "deny, if necessary, adversaries the use of space capabilities hostile to U.S. national interests." So I guess now the U.S. want's to be the space police too now eh? I'm telling you it's going to come back and bite us in the ass. Time will tellI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #37 January 19, 2007 Eh, we've done the same. Orbital debris is indeed a problem, but you can't deny other countries the right to their own ASAT tests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #38 January 19, 2007 Quotebut you can't deny other countries the right to their own ASAT tests. To be more accurate, you can't deny NUCLEAR ARMED countries that right. I don't know why any country WOULDN'T be creating nukes as fast as they could right now. Nuke countries get left alone by the US. Everyone else is the US's bitch. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
