Next President....

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Here ya go.. its not hard to find....Rove is a dispicable creature that deserves a very warm place in hell. You just gotta love hopw these chickenhawk scum treated actual veterans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/john-mccain-2000-the-swi_b_30654.html


Turning McCain's record into a liability - how they did it.

If you're really, really cynical, why not turn a record of honorable record of military service and dedication to America into a liability!

From Patriot Project's The Swiftboaters Are Back in the Water,

... Bush surrogates (several later involved in the Kerry swiftboating effort) skillfully turned McCain's service record against him (thereby deflecting questions about Bush's own service record.) They planted stories that the torture McCain suffered as a POW had brought about mental instability, including rumors that he had been programmed as a "Manchurian candidate" who "collaborated with the enemy." No longer could McCain use the fact that he had endured torture as evidence of dedication to serving his country.
And as explained in Patriot Project's Did Paul Galanti Sell His Medals,
In the 2000 South Carolina Presidential primary Bush surrogates circulated stories that McCain's five years as a POW had made him "mentally unstable," gave him a "loose screw," that he "committed treason while a POW" and "came home and forgot us." The stories also called McCain "the fag candidate," called his wife a drug addict, said McCain "chose to sire children without marriage" and had "a black child" (the actual wording of that last smear from the flyers and e-mails that circulated is not printable here).

And when McCain responded by asking whether this kind of smear campaign showed that voters should think twice about trusting Bush, saying Bush was "twisting the truth like Clinton," Rove was able to turn that against McCain¸ by accusing McCain of "going negative." Unlike Rove and Bush, McCain hadn't understood the value of attacking with surrogates.

This information was passed using flyers, e-mails, word-of-mouth and "push polls." As McCain's campaign manager, Richard H. Davis, later wrote in his article about what happened, The anatomy of a smear campaign that,
Anonymous opponents used "push polling" to suggest that McCain's Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child. In push polling, a voter gets a call, ostensibly from a polling company, asking which candidate the voter supports. In this case, if the "pollster" determined that the person was a McCain supporter, he made statements designed to create doubt about the senator.

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Another guy said after 8 years of george Bush, 8 of bill, 4 of George Jr, he thinks that it needs a change.

Going back and forth between two quite weird families.

Does it need a change.

Damn straight it does. I sure as hell don't want Hillary in the white house again.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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Democrat Certainly, not republican.

agree with that - mostly because the repubs have been turning every
social issue into an ideological/moralistic circus rather than finding
workable solution, plus their party is in greater disarray and
disorientation then that of the dems.

But none of the above are any of my first choices.

For pres you need someone who demonstrated skill in governance as
a chief executive with a practical outview. Ideology is easily concocted
with dangerous and toxic consequences as we experienced in the
last 6 years, and I'm guessing a majority in the US is weary of it.
Moderate and successful governors such as Warner or Richardson
seem to have the most appeal.

Of course, just being a governor with moderate appeal is not a
guarantee. That's what Bush ran as in 2000, and he turned out to
be more ideological and less skilled in a governance than anyone
could have expected, once he was under the influence PNAC
ideologoues, religious moralists, a Stanford cold war political dean,
and a paranoid WMD prophet as VP.

For VP you probably want to someone who could complement with
foreign policy and national security experience in level headed and
non-ideological way. Biden looks like good guy for that among the
presently named contenders.

Cheers, T

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None of the above (I hope)

Sorry, but the Nixon/Agnew team isn't eligible.

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As a control, you should have included "a sock monkey" in the poll.

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I vote for the sock monkey.

Really , Obama (I think voting for him just because of his cosmetics - half whatever - is just as ignorant and dispicable as not voting for him for the same reason. I really hope it comes down to qualifications) threw his hat in a term or two too soon. He needs to get executive experience. Can't get that in the congress unless he can get some choice leadership assignments. I have a bit of hope he develops over the next decade. promising

Hillary (ditto comment in ignorance driving a gender-only based vote) has messed up her only opportunity at executive experience (equivalent cabinet position for NHC). She won't be good. She might be a good senator though.

Kerry - Hopefully people see what a self centered joke this guy is now.

McCain - I don't know much about him. Isn't he REALLY old and has health problems.


I'd love to see a fresh face with a libertarian slant to his politics (from either party).

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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After the monkey man's gone give the bird a chance.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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McCain - Isn't he REALLY old.

Not at all. He's only 70

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Totally agree, qualification instead of biometrics. Yep, missed that point, by all acounts there both qualified, Obama's becoming quite the celebrity and is very well liked as is Hilary. So may the best man or woman, black or Whitye win.

MediCare : Allergic to Prison.

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Democrat Certainly, not republican.


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"agree with that"

Laugh, snort, fart, giggle...........

so far tha ONLY republican IS leading by far. Someone better rally the left to vote

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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I had a dream a few weeks ago:

It was late spring/early summer 2009 & I was sitting on a dark couch watching the news on TV. And they were talking about "President Edwards."

Not that I think Edwards will be Prez, Obama or McCain I think are far more likely. But it was weird to have dreamed that.

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Only thing I can say for sure is that my vote won't be going to Hillary. As far as the rest go, I'll have to wait and see. Joe Biden is running, and as good as a speaker he is he will do exceptionally well in any debates.

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Don't you find it odd that both Obama and Tiger had non black mothers but they are referred to as AFRICAN?

Race in the US is based upon the mother....check out your birth certificate.

I vote for Harry Truman.

Don't go away mad....just go away!

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so far tha ONLY republican IS leading by far. Someone better rally the left to vote

in the polls? -- GW Bush had 90% in the polls once ..

Cheers, T

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As a control, you should have included "a sock monkey" in the poll.

I bet sock monkey would get the most votes

DPH # 2
"I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~
I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc!

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Another guy said after 8 years of george Bush, 8 of bill, 4 of George Jr, he thinks that it needs a change.

Going back and forth between two quite weird families.

Does it need a change.

I'd love to see a Libertarian get elected, but since most of the American public are roughly equivalent to a sheep with Down's syndrome in terms of individual thought and intellect, I'm not holding my breath.

Ron Paul is considering running...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Yeah, if he does, he's got my vote.

cavete terrae.

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Yeah, if he does, he's got my vote.

I'm not going to vote for him JUST because he's a stealth Libertarian - I want to see his platform, first.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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despite my personal leanings i wont vote libertarian (in national elections, i always do i local) until they have a reasonable chance of winning..

it is unfortunate, but if you do not vote for one of the major players you are effectively giving up your say in who will lead the country for the next 4 years...

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Yeah, if he does, he's got my vote.

I'm not going to vote for him JUST because he's a stealth Libertarian - I want to see his platform, first.

I know enough about him in terms of what he's voted for and against to be able to vote for him over anyone else I'm currently aware of. In addition, his views in the past have been quite similar when compared to mine.

cavete terrae.

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despite my personal leanings i wont vote libertarian (in national elections, i always do i local) until they have a reasonable chance of winning..

it is unfortunate, but if you do not vote for one of the major players you are effectively giving up your say in who will lead the country for the next 4 years...

Thinking like that certainly helps a lot.

cavete terrae.

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despite my personal leanings i wont vote libertarian (in national elections, i always do i local) until they have a reasonable chance of winning..

it is unfortunate, but if you do not vote for one of the major players you are effectively giving up your say in who will lead the country for the next 4 years...

In a strict sense, I agree - and I count "spoiler votes" in there as well - the "I can't stomach either of the main candidates, so I'm going to vote for 'x' guy". I still feel it's important for me to vote for the candidate that most closely matches my views, though. It's how everyone SHOULD be voting, IMO - fuck the party affiliation.

Sooner or later, there will be a Libertarian candidate that will get enough votes to get on the ballot AS a Libertarian and not a 'stealth' candidate - I predict things are going to get REALLY interesting, then.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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it is unfortunate, but if you do not vote for one of the major players you are effectively giving up your say in who will lead the country for the next 4 years...

Longer sight would say it's better to concern yourself with the next 20 years then the next 4. As long as people continue with the voting strategy above, Libertarians will continue to be a fringe party and we'll be stuck with more of the same. If more people would acknowledge that the Republicans and Democrats are almost the same party, and vote for quality third or fourth party candidates, eventually those parties will have viable candidates (and substantially more campaign funds).

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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despite my personal leanings i wont vote libertarian (in national elections, i always do i local) until they have a reasonable chance of winning..

it is unfortunate, but if you do not vote for one of the major players you are effectively giving up your say in who will lead the country for the next 4 years...

In a strict sense, I agree - and I count "spoiler votes" in there as well - the "I can't stomach either of the main candidates, so I'm going to vote for 'x' guy". I still feel it's important for me to vote for the candidate that most closely matches my views, though. It's how everyone SHOULD be voting, IMO - fuck the party affiliation.

Sooner or later, there will be a Libertarian candidate that will get enough votes to get on the ballot AS a Libertarian and not a 'stealth' candidate - I predict things are going to get REALLY interesting, then.

well, that has happened several times before. The Libertarian party candidate DOES get on the ballot, but not many people voter for him/her.

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