State of the Union

[mnealtx 0]

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he was talking about 'plundering the ECONOMY', that's what I'm asking him for numbers on, since the economic indicators are up.

My income just went up drastically....I got a $1,000,000 loan. Never mind that I can't repay that loan...ever, at least my economic indicator is up....

Um.... no.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[willard 0]

Bush's speach was pretty much what I expected, no surprises there. Webb's rebuttal was good, but to play critic I'll point out a couple things he could have done better.
Bringing the picture of his father was nice, but he spent too much time trying to impress the audience with his family history.
He misrepresented the state of the economy. Since when do we judge the economy by comparing wages to the nation's wealth? That's like saying my car gets fewer MPG because the price of gas went up.
I was impressed until he started the same old worn out rhetoric and gave the misrepresentation I described above.
All things considered I heard nothing new or unexpected from either Bush or Webb. It's the same thing as always..."I'm smarter than you!" ...."No you're not, I'm smarter than YOU!"...."I'm smarter!"...."I'm smarter!".........

[idrankwhat 0]

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I've watched 5 minutes and I already want to vomit. Thats all I have to say.

I had to turn it off shortly after he made his comments regarding earmarks. I'm trying to figure that one out. Did he make those statements because he didn't want the Democratic leadership to appear to take the lead on fiscal responsibility, trying to steal their thunder so to speak? Because he actually wants to be fiscally responsible and now sees the error of his ways? He's worried about his legacy and wants to muddy the historical waters? Or because he doesn't give a crap about earmarks if they're written by R's but is not about to put up with D's raiding the Treasury?
I vote for "most of the above".

[rushmc 23]

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Now, before you others choose to flame me as one that loves all Bush does you can stop right now becaue you can find many posts where I do not agree with him but, I believe he understands what is at stake with Isamo nut cases.

They want us dead or converted. No wiggle room. It is that simple.......

Yea because only crazy nutcases would want to kill troops who have invaded their homes, and have killed 30K+ many estimates even higher.

You say they want us dead or converted, I asked sunny the same questions.

Who wants us dead and converted?

If you are referring to the less then 1% crazy fucks, then hell we should nuke Pat Robertson as well.
As for the other issues.

Do you seriously think that our actions are not the cause of so much hate?

Maybe I am not as smart as you guys, but it doesn’t take much to understand if you kill people, and destroy there homes guess what there going to hate you.

First off, I don't come close to being the smartest tool in the box. I will never claim to be.

Second, who wants us dead?
First one needs to understand that much of the violence in Iraq in not being started by Iraqis. Militant Islamic nuts get things started by bombing a place of prayer and blame the "other" group. They then sit back and watch the show.
The Saudis are exporting this brand of Islam all over the world (and the US call them allies) This is the (forgive my spelling here)Wahbism sect of Ilsam. This thread of Islam says you convert, pray to their god or die. There is no middle ground. Women can not drive, can be raped, are married into servitude and on and on. They need kayos to remain in power. A Democratic country in the middle east is a direct threat to their power and they know it and want to stop it.
(OH, and Pat Robertson is a nut too but at least he is harmless)

The retoric in Washington is destructive and damaging. The very fanatics I spoke of above know they can not defeat us in a direct conflict but they do know our politics at home and how it works. And as they have stated many many times, they will use our own system to beat down our will and win the conflict here. After that? They will use any country in kayos in the middle east, using oil revenues, to grow and brainwash their young into killing themselves while taking "non-believers" with them.

For me Bush is a long way from a great president. His policies here at home are no where near a conservative agenda and have been very disappointing to me. But with that being said, I do believe he want the country to be safe from terrorists. I think he is on the only path that has a chance of changing that region and removing the power holding nut jobs. (only the people of those countries can do it but they have to have hope to try. Seeing a free country can give them that hope)

The venom spewing hatred toward Bush is irrational and that is why I do not respond to it because, well there is no responding to emotional bs.

There are a few books out there about this brand of Islam. I will not suggest one but please, find one on your own. Maybe more than one. It will scare the hell out of you.

This is a war for our very survival. I have not come this conclusion easily but it is where I am at today.

Now, I am fully prepared to get the "do you really believe this crap" flaming very soon. I hope not, because this is one of the most important debates we can have today.


Oh, I can and do think for myself despite the accusations of some on this site. Yes, I do listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck and others. They have NOT told me what to think but, they do voice, better than I, what I have felt and believed for most of my life. I think the only reason some speak to this is because they can not defeat the ideas they put forth so flame them. (it is a small minded and desperate tactic)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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Yes, I do listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck and others.

They're ignorance peddlers who are in the business for the money and their egos, and they do you a disservice.
Just because they say things that agree with your predisposition doesn't mean that they're accurate.

[mnealtx 0]

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Yea because only crazy nutcases would want to kill troops who have invaded their homes, and have killed 30K+ many estimates even higher.

It's the militant radicals that made attack after attack against the US with little or no answer - the USS Cole, the African Embassies, the WTC, Khobar Towers, etc all happened well before Iraq.

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You say they want us dead or converted, I asked sunny the same questions.

Who wants us dead and converted?

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Sura 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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Do you seriously think that our actions are not the cause of so much hate?

Maybe I am not as smart as you guys, but it doesn’t take much to understand if you kill people, and destroy there homes guess what there going to hate you

So you're advocating that we should submit to Islam and pay the jizwah like good little dhimmi, so we don't upset the radicals that are carrying out the attacks?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

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Yes, I do listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck and others.

They're ignorance peddlers who are in the business for the money and their egos, and they do you a disservice.
Just because they say things that agree with your predisposition doesn't mean that they're accurate.

And the same applies to Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Huffington, Kos, Democratic Underground...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[CornishChris 5]

Do you really believe this crap?

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[rushmc 23]

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Yes, I do listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck and others.

They're ignorance peddlers who are in the business for the money and their egos, and they do you a disservice.
Just because they say things that agree with your predisposition doesn't mean that they're accurate.

You have just proven you do not listen to any of them.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Do you really believe this crap?

See!!!! I told you!!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

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Grand slam year for Federer? Last year he came so close....

He is a serious force to be reckoned with. It's like he can just turn up his skill to whatever he needs - no matter who he plays.

The women's matches are pretty good too this time around. Think Sabrina will be able to return to playing strength? (all the cute ones are getting culled out though, bless the russians for keeping a few in the top ranks)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

I do find it interesting you do not respond to anthing else that I posted.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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Yes, I do listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck and others.

They're ignorance peddlers who are in the business for the money and their egos, and they do you a disservice.
Just because they say things that agree with your predisposition doesn't mean that they're accurate.

You have just proven you do not listen to any of them.

Bzzzzzt. Wrong.

[jakee 1,501]

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He is a serious force to be reckoned with. It's like he can just turn up his skill to whatever he needs - no matter who he plays.

I remember last year Federer pretty much stumbling to the Aussie title, he hardly looked like stringing more than a few games together yet somehow no one could take advantage of him - what followed was complete dominance of the season like I have never seen before.

This year he's turned up in Melbourne and is quite simply blowing everyone else off the courts already. Although I may be speaking far too soon, we could just be in for something very, very special.

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all the cute ones are getting culled out though, bless the russians for keeping a few in the top ranks

Ahhh the lovely Miss Sharapova! I can't help thinking all that grunting might be a bit, umm, distracting though

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[NCclimber 0]

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all the cute ones are getting culled out though, bless the russians for keeping a few in the top ranks

Ahhh the lovely Miss Sharapova! I can't help thinking all that grunting might be a bit, umm, distracting though

Maybe for you.

I attributed the high temps at the Open to her being there.

[idrankwhat 0]

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I do find it interesting you do not respond to anthing else that I posted.

Because basically I'm kinda busy today and I don't feel like discussing the issue, that being what basically turns out to be Islamophobia that's fueled by ignorance peddlers who are only interested in hearing themselves talk. That said, I'll state that right now we are not in a battle with "Islam". However, if we don't educate ourselves about other cultures, be honest about our culpability, change our foreign policy and stop the US's social de-evolution, we may very well start that war.

[rushmc 23]

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I do find it interesting you do not respond to anthing else that I posted.

Because basically I'm kinda busy today and I don't feel like discussing the issue, that being what basically turns out to be Islamophobia that's fueled by ignorance peddlers who are only interested in hearing themselves talk. That said, I'll state that right now we are not in a battle with "Islam". However, if we don't educate ourselves about other cultures, be honest about our culpability, change our foreign policy and stop the US's social de-evolution, we may very well start that war.

Wow, ignore it and it will go away.
What I posted here I did not hear on Rush or any other talk show so your "premise" of ignorance will have to be directed another way.

....and "educating ourselves" is EXACTLY what I am suggesting.

But I know you and others have to BLAME AMERICA first or your world view colapses. So, I guess I have to say I understand your respose (or lack of it)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

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and is quite simply blowing everyone else off the courts already.

I missed that, did he intern with President Clinton?



(I agree, thanks to the russian woman's team)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[idrankwhat 0]

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Wow, ignore it and it will go away.
What I posted here I did not hear on Rush or any other talk show so your "premise" of ignorance will have to be directed another way.

....and "educating ourselves" is EXACTLY what I am suggesting.

But I know you and others have to BLAME AMERICA first or your world view colapses. So, I guess I have to say I understand your respose (or lack of it)

And you wonder why I didn't respond?

[jakee 1,501]

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and is quite simply blowing everyone else off the courts already.

I missed that, did he intern with President Clinton?

Blowing everyone else off on the courts?

I think that might be a code violation

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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Wow, ignore it and it will go away.
What I posted here I did not hear on Rush or any other talk show so your "premise" of ignorance will have to be directed another way.

....and "educating ourselves" is EXACTLY what I am suggesting.

But I know you and others have to BLAME AMERICA first or your world view colapses. So, I guess I have to say I understand your respose (or lack of it)

And you wonder why I didn't respond?

No, I know why you did not respond. That is the easy part.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

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I've watched 5 minutes and I already want to vomit. Thats all I have to say.

I feel that way when I hear Tom Petty sing "Freefallin' "

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[yjumpinoz 0]

We are and always will be the "enemy" no matter what our policy in the middle east is.

[rushmc 23]

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We are and always will be the "enemy" no matter what our policy in the middle east is.

I don't know if I agee with the always but for at least our life time.

I wish more could see this is not about the US.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,009]

>We are and always will be the "enemy" no matter what our policy
>in the middle east is.

We will always be the enemy to any people we kill in mass quantities. Believe me, if we were killing tens of thousands of Chinese a year, and claiming it was for their own good, they'd hate us too.