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Robbing jobs and plundering the economy? Got some numbers for that, since all the economic indicators are on the rise and have been?

You are going to tell me about economic indicators? And just what economic indicators are you talking about, the stock market? How much richer a few rich people in this country keep getting?

Obviously, like so many other Republicans, you measure the state of the economy from the top down.

Since you dont mind doing that, I guess you can say that Mexico has a fantasic economy, because there are a few extremely wealthy people there who just keep getting richer. Even though when you go there, you see nothing but people in the street begging for food, and migrant workers who have to cross the border for work.

The state of the economy is measured from the working class. Namely me. And I have continually seen my jobs shipped overseas to India during the entire time Bush has been in office. i have seen so many of my peers, highly educated people with over 10 years of job experience, out of work, broke, cant find employment in thier career field anywhere, because their jobs where shipped overseas.

Is THAT your idea of a great economy???

If it is, then you must be a corporate CEO. One of the very few Bush seems to be doing something for.

If you want an economic indicator, why dont you try taking a look at the state of the working class. They DO represent the majority in this country, you know.

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Personally I think you are less safe cause you ahve pissed off more people and have given many more people a reason to hate you.

WTC 93, Cole, WTC 01...They hate us already. Seems to have some attacks in Spain, and England as well.

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I think you are less safe because the perception of the US in the International world as a whole has taken a very negative turn.

I'd rather be safe than liked. Both would be nice, but you don't always get what you want.

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I think you are less safe cause the whole world knows that a third front is not sustainable for the US making threats against Iran and NK very hollow.

You would be surprized what could still happen. Maybe not a ground pounding force, but whe hae plenty of ships and aircraft available.

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I think you are less safe cause your own state department and intelligence agencies think you are less safe.

And they thought we were safe before 9/11. Simple fact is that we are not safe, nor will we be safe again.

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You are going to tell me about economic indicators? And just what economic indicators are you talking about, the stock market? How much richer a few rich people in this country keep getting?

Stock market is at its highest EVER. More people own homes than EVER, unemloyment is lower than it has been in years.

Like it or not while you may wish for the economy to be bad, the indicators used by the financial world point to the economy being better than it has been in a number of years...And this is after 9/11 and the dot com bust.

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>This thread of Islam says you convert, pray to their god or die.
>There is no middle ground. Women can not drive, can be raped, are
> married into servitude and on and on.

Eh, parts of our bible say the same thing, and some lunatics actually believe it. Doesn't mean that christianity must be defeated or that we want all muslims dead.

One big difference is there are numerous Islamic societies that embrace these "barbaric" practices, whereas, I don't think there are any Christian ones.

Oh, is that right? No Christian ones?????

"I am sick of this life. I dont want to live another 10 days in this life"

-Reverend Jim Jones, Jonestown, prior to the slaying of over 900 members of his congregation, mostly with forced injestion of sodium cyanide.

Was Reverend Jim Jones a Muslim? No, he wasnt. He was a Christian.

Was his group recognized as being Christian by any Christian organizations?

With the world being so populous, off course you're going to find some gross distortions of any major religion. My point was about acceptable practices, that are considered barbaric by Western values, that are fairly common throughout the Muslim world.

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What we need to ask our selves is this. Are our actions making us safer?

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Yes, and I believe more so in the long term

Yea, attacking Iraq when Al-Qaeda resides in Northern Pakistan really makes us safer.

I feel so safe now, knowing that the same terrorists that conducted numerous attacks stateside are now in a safehaven in Pakistan, laughing at US troops fighting terrorism in Iraq. I guess if I were them, Id be laughing too.

Lets go over a few moments of history. Al Qaeda, residing in Afganistan, attacks the US in several terrorist incidents, then moves to Pakistan. Bush, in an effort to stop Al Qeada terrorist attacks, attacks Iraq.

Does something sound a little 'backwards' here? Its like having Jed Clampitt in the Whitehouse.

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Robbing jobs and plundering the economy? Got some numbers for that, since all the economic indicators are on the rise and have been?

You are going to tell me about economic indicators? And just what economic indicators are you talking about, the stock market? How much richer a few rich people in this country keep getting?

Perhaps you can provide us with some recognized economic indicators that illustrate your assertion that things are so bad in this country.

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You are going to tell me about economic indicators? And just what economic indicators are you talking about, the stock market? How much richer a few rich people in this country keep getting?

Stock market is at its highest EVER. More people own homes than EVER, unemloyment is lower than it has been in years.

Like it or not while you may wish for the economy to be bad, the indicators used by the financial world point to the economy being better than it has been in a number of years...And this is after 9/11 and the dot com bust.

And, umm, what planet did you say you were on? I want to know cause Id like to go there, sounds like paradise.

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More people own homes than EVER, unemloyment is lower than it has been in years.

And more people are losing them...near record levels of forclosures. I guess its kind of hard to make a house payment when you get laid off from a REAL job.. and take one of the Administrations ...McJobs.

http://www.washtimes.com/business/20040125-103750-8913r.htm


Unemployed not tempted by low-paying jobs


By Patrice Hill
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



Fred Alger has been out of work for months and, to increase his chances of getting a good job, is thinking about going back to school.
"I went to Hecht's department store ... and they're hiring, but only at $7 an hour," he said in a dispatch on a Monster.com chat board last week. "They're nuts. That's pretty ... low."
Other unemployed workers venting their frustrations on the job-search Web site agreed, though some said they were so desperate they would take any job, at least temporarily.
"I have a McJob, working 15 hours a week at a Head Start cooking meals," said a job hunter with the moniker "Pikachuangel."
"I'm making $7.25 an hour," little above minimum wage, she said.
"Before I was laid off a year ago, I was making $13.25 an hour. I feel like at times I'm being slapped in the face," she said, noting she was once turned down for a job at a gas station because she was "overqualified."
These workers are encountering, and in some cases shunning, jobs that President Bush described as the jobs Americans don't want in proposing his immigration-reform plan. It would enable employers to offer positions that Americans won't fill to foreign workers under a "guest worker" program.
The president's plan does not allow employers to fire highly paid workers so they can hire low-wage immigrants. But it does propose to allow the estimated 6.5 million foreign workers already in the United States illegally — many of whom already hold jobs turned down by Americans — to obtain temporary work permits.



http://www.realtytrac.com/news/press/pressRelease.asp?PressReleaseID=86

January 23, 2006 – RealtyTrac™ (www.realtytrac.com), the leading online marketplace for foreclosure properties, today released year-end data from its 2005 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report, which showed that 846,982 properties nationwide entered some stage of foreclosure in 2005, and a 25 percent increase in the number of new foreclosures from the first quarter to the fourth quarter.
Overall U.S. foreclosure numbers climbed steadily over the course of the year, with more new foreclosures reported in every quarter,” said James J. Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. “This trend appears to be moving the real estate foreclosure market back to its historic levels.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12975777/

Today, foreclosure looms over their $129,000 home. That’s a problem facing a growing number of Americans, who are finding themselves one crisis away from financial ruin. RealtyTrac, an industry organization that maintains a nationwide database of foreclosures, says mortgage defaults between January and March of this year numbered 323,102 compared with 188,122 during the same period last year — an increase of 72 percent.

Indianapolis leads the nation, with one out of every 69 homes in foreclosure. Atlanta follows closely at 1 in 70 homes. Then Dallas — where the Edwardses live — at 1 in 99. Memphis is fourth at 1 in 101. Denver rounds out the top five at 1 in 105.

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Robbing jobs and plundering the economy? Got some numbers for that, since all the economic indicators are on the rise and have been?

You are going to tell me about economic indicators? And just what economic indicators are you talking about, the stock market? How much richer a few rich people in this country keep getting?

Perhaps you can provide us with some recognized economic indicators that illustrate your assertion that things are so bad in this country.

Do you see a lot of jobs out there? Nope, you dont. That is an economic indicator. Working class poverty, lack of work, layoffs, failing corporations. But thats okay, the stock market's doing fine so everything must be great.

If you wonder what I do for a living, Im a software engineer, over 10 years of job experience, BS degree from a major university, top of the line in my career field, in a career field that presents itself to be in the highest demand relative to all others.

Salaries are at an all time low, and there is the widest gap between salary levels and cost of living in the history of the economy as we know it. There are fewer and fewer jobs all the time, as more and more jobs are shipped to India.

Or, maybe I just dont know what Im talking about because Im stupid and worthless and noone wants to hire me (or my peers, for that matter). Thats the good ol' conservative approach, isnt it? Its not the president or his policy...its you! The economy is great, economic indicators are up, and the reason why you cant get ahead in life is because you are a loser. Ive heard this kind of rhetoric many times now.

So, Id like to see your rationale here in calling me a loser, or whatever it is you so called conservatives say. Dont forget my credentials and job experience in your rebuttal.

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And, umm, what planet did you say you were on? I want to know cause Id like to go there, sounds like paradise.

It is called Earth, third planet from the sun. With your views, I don't think you would like it here.

Seriously, you can't debate the topic so you try some third grade response?

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And, umm, what planet did you say you were on? I want to know cause Id like to go there, sounds like paradise.

It is called Earth, third planet from the sun. With your views, I don't think you would like it here.

Seriously, you can't debate the topic so you try some third grade response?

Maybe you just missed the meaning of what I was pointing out.

See, there are only two points to be made here. Either I am a loser who doesnt know what he's talking about, or you are not living in the real world.

Now, you are more than welcome to argue that maybe it's just me and not the economy. But look at the comment I made in my last post before you do, and let that be the basis of your argument.

Now, you tell me, why do you think I am finding a lack of opportunity in this great economy of yours?

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Do you see a lot of jobs out there? Nope, you dont.

The unemployment numbers do not match your personal experience. I see tons of jobs open.

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If you wonder what I do for a living, Im a software engineer, over 10 years of job experience, BS degree from a major university, top of the line in my career field, in a career field that presents itself to be in the highest demand relative to all others.

If you at the top you should have no problem getting a job. I know plenty of computer guys that have good paying jobs...Not what they used to get paid, but that was before they were a dime a dozen.

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Or, maybe I just dont know what Im talking about because Im stupid and worthless and noone wants to hire me (or my peers, for that matter). Thats the good ol' conservative approach, isnt it? Its not the president or his policy...its you! The economy is great, economic indicators are up, and the reason why you cant get ahead in life is because you are a loser. Ive heard this kind of rhetoric many times now.

I am not going to insult you, but maybe you need a new carrer field. Your old position USED to be worth a bunch since there were few people who could do it. But now there are TONS of people that can do the job...Maybe not as well as you or someone with your experience, but they get the job done and they are willing to do it for less than you so they get the job.

That is not anyones fault but progress. People see a good paying job, so companies create schools to teach it, and people flock to them. Then those graduates flood the market and since you are no longer worth so much your pay drops. That is a free market at work. You should blame all the people who started these computer schools.

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So, Id like to see your rationale here in calling me a loser, or whatever it is you so called conservatives say. Dont forget my credentials and job experience in your rebuttal.

Like I said, not going to call you anything. But the simple fact is due to the reduced demand you are not worth what you were. Hell, I know high school kids with Microsoft Certifications now....His dad (an IT guy) told me that if he didn't get it at 15 he would be BEHIND the people out there.

So maybe you need to find a new career field?

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See, there are only two points to be made here. Either I am a loser who doesnt know what he's talking about, or you are not living in the real world.

Total nonsense. It is not an either or problem.

Look at my other post to explain it.

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Now, you tell me, why do you think I am finding a lack of opportunity in this great economy of yours?

Because people with your job title have flooded the market. 20 years ago a guy like you would be worth millions, 10 years ago a guy like you was worth hundreds of thosands, 10 years from now your job will be done by kids fresh out of high school.

And the pay has been adjusted.

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And more people are losing them...near record levels of forclosures. I guess its kind of hard to make a house payment when you get laid off from a REAL job.

It is also hard to make payments when you finance yourself to the hilt and get an aRM so you can afford it. When the intrest rates go up people are finding thye can't afford the house they bought. Pretty common in a world where the average person has 8 grand in unsecured debt.

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"I went to Hecht's department store ... and they're hiring, but only at $7 an hour," he said in a dispatch on a Monster.com chat board last week. "They're nuts. That's pretty ... low."

These workers are encountering, and in some cases shunning, jobs that President Bush described as the jobs Americans don't want in proposing his immigration-reform plan. It would enable employers to offer positions that Americans won't fill to foreign workers under a "guest worker" program.

Maybe they should not "shun" the jobs.

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The unemployment numbers do not match your personal experience. I see tons of jobs open.

You mean like, McJobs? Sorry, 7 bucks an hour doesnt pay 1200/mo in rent. And I live in a modest 1 bdrm apt. Maybe I should try a tent.

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If you at the top you should have no problem getting a job. I know plenty of computer guys that have good paying jobs...Not what they used to get paid, but that was before they were a dime a dozen.

There it is, you just spelled it out!!!!!

And why are they a dime a dozen? Because the little mongrels in India, living in shacks and eating their bowl of rice everyday, are willing to work hard doing their low quality crap for just 5 bucks an hour.

And you see, in this Bush economy, its all about cheap labor and higher payoff for the CEO. Fuck the quality...just give me the money.

Fuck the consumer (ummm...that would be you), we'll just screw him on quality and charge him more, he wont know the difference.

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If you at the top you should have no problem

Wrong. I know a lot of software engineers even more qualified than I am that can find nothing.

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But now there are TONS of people that can do the job...Maybe not as well as you or someone with your experience, but they get the job done and they are willing to do it for less than you so they get the job.

Again, you spelled it out. TONS of people, overseas, who live in an exchange system lower than ours, who can get the job done for a lot less than I can, because the cost of living here is so much higher. So much for protecting the American worker.

You keep talking about being safe. We are not safe from being raped by foriegn competition, which is what is happening. And why? Not because they are better, only because THEY ARE CHEAPER!

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but maybe you need a new carrer field

So what's left? McJobs? Fine, maybe Bush would like to take down the cost of living since he's already done that to our salaries. What are we expected to do, live in tents?

And they go on about how great our "high standard of living" is. Yea, maybe for a few people, but not for the majority.

You want a great economy, then support the working class in America, not that cheap Bush sponsored bullshit. Its the working class that buys cars, spends money, buys houses that are affordable. A few rich people do not make up the economy.

We dont need to be another Mexico, and that is the path Bush is taking things, all founded on lies and bullshit.

The economy under Clinton was fantastic, there were jobs everywhere, salaries were going up and up, everyone was doing great. Thats because the Demos support the working class.

Then the Bush monster shows its ugly face, and WHAM! There goes the economy, here comes the bullshit and rhetoric.

Sorry if Im not finding anything to wave the flag about. Its a little hard to find reasons when they fuck up your entire life and everything that you have ever worked for. And Im supposed to be thankful because Bush is making me safe from terrorists.

Screw that, let the terrorists kill me! The economy is fucked up, my life went with it, they would just be doing me a favor.

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http://www.realtytrac.com/...sp?PressReleaseID=86

January 23, 2006 – RealtyTrac™ (www.realtytrac.com), the leading online marketplace for foreclosure properties, today released year-end data from its 2005 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report, which showed that 846,982 properties nationwide entered some stage of foreclosure in 2005, and a 25 percent increase in the number of new foreclosures from the first quarter to the fourth quarter.
Overall U.S. foreclosure numbers climbed steadily over the course of the year, with more new foreclosures reported in every quarter,” said James J. Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. “This trend appears to be moving the real estate foreclosure market back to its historic levels.”

The second part of that article

"Saccacio noted that the number of 2005 foreclosures needed to be kept in context. “Even with almost 850,000 properties entering some stage of foreclosure across the country over the course of the year, this represents less than 1 percent of all U.S. households. And the increase in U.S. foreclosures from Q3 to Q4 was just below 5 percent....“Over the past few years, we’ve seen historically low mortgage rates, consistently escalating home prices and steady, strong employment,” Saccacio said. “This has translated into relatively low levels of foreclosure properties — particularly bank-owned properties. With interest rates rising and an apparent slowing of property valuations in most markets, we’ll be watching closely to see if there’s a material effect on the number of foreclosures in 2006.”

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You mean like, McJobs? Sorry, 7 bucks an hour doesnt pay 1200/mo in rent. And I live in a modest 1 bdrm apt. Maybe I should try a tent.

Maybe you should move to a place with lower rent and a better job market than California where you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an IT guy.

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There it is, you just spelled it out!!!!!

And why are they a dime a dozen? Because the little mongrels in India, living in shacks and eating their bowl of rice everyday, are willing to work hard doing their low quality crap for just 5 bucks an hour.

Part of the problem, yes. But the thing is I thought about going to one of those schools that get you a bunch of IT certifications. My buddies who are already in the IT field (and doing quite well) told me that I was too late to get into the game. All those schools turned out a bunch of guys that made the market go flat.

Think about it this way, if Chevy started making as many Corvettes as they do Cobalts. The demand would go up for a while, then the market would get saturated. Then the prices for those cars would drop. It is simple economics. Your job had a high demand and you could demand a high salary. Now it has a low demand and TONS of people willing to do it both abroad and at home.

If you had a company and could hire a guy that was WAY tallented for 100,000 a year. Or a guy that could do the same job, but not quite as well for 40,000. Who would you hire?

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And you see, in this Bush economy, its all about cheap labor and higher payoff for the CEO. Fuck the quality...just give me the money.

Out sourcing started under Clinton, not Bush. Once it got a foot hold it took off. The law of supply and demand took over.

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Wrong. I know a lot of software engineers even more qualified than I am that can find nothing.

If people better than you can't find work, what makes you think you should be able to? Like I said a career change might be in order.

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Again, you spelled it out. TONS of people, overseas, who live in an exchange system lower than ours, who can get the job done for a lot less than I can, because the cost of living here is so much higher. So much for protecting the American worker.

There are tons of people who would take your job that are here in the states as well. But I have a buddy that just got a high paing IT job...so they are out there, but you REALLY have to be worth what you think you are...Not like it was years ago where if you could plug in a computer you could get 100k a year.

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So what's left? McJobs?

No, jobs that can't be easily shipped overseas. Such as the medical field, law...Ect. If you job can be done from your home, it can be done from India and for less.

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You want a great economy, then support the working class in America, not that cheap Bush sponsored bullshit. Its the working class that buys cars, spends money, buys houses that are affordable. A few rich people do not make up the economy.

1. What kind of car do you drive? What kind of computer do you use? How many things in your appartment are from China?

2. The outsourcing problem started under Clinton...I don't blame him, it was just that companies found a cheaper way to get the job done. Once it caught on it really took off and people who once were fat cats, suddenly found themselves in trouble.

You were top dog for a while, but that made others want to do your job. AND it made companies look for ways to reduce costs.

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The economy under Clinton was fantastic, there were jobs everywhere, salaries were going up and up, everyone was doing great. Thats because the Demos support the working class.

Using your logic, I can claim that is BS since I had to work THREE jobs to afford a cheap apartment under Clinton. I finally got off my ass and went into a career that was worth more and has little chance of being outsourced.

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Then the Bush monster shows its ugly face, and WHAM! There goes the economy, here comes the bullshit and rhetoric.

Other than your personal observations, the economic indicatiors show that the economy is better now than under Clinton.

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Now, you tell me, why do you think I am finding a lack of opportunity in this great economy of yours?

Because people with your job title have flooded the market. 20 years ago a guy like you would be worth millions, 10 years ago a guy like you was worth hundreds of thosands, 10 years from now your job will be done by kids fresh out of high school.

And the pay has been adjusted.

Let me point one thing out here. Employers with software engineering positons are requiring people with college degrees, they dont hire anyone fresh out of high school.

Thats like saying, they hire doctors and lawyers fresh out of high school. It is a job that requires an extremely high degree of education and experience, as well as a mathematical and engineering background.

The flooded market youre referring to is comming from exportation of jobs to India, everyone in my careerfield knows that, but you dont since you are not a software engineer or in the IT industry.

The catch is, software product ripoffs. Cheap labor turns out a substandard product, you buy it, you get ripped off, but they still get your money, stock prices go up, and the CEO gets richer.

Ive already seen it happen at a company I worked for in the past, you cant argue with me on the point because I was there. They hired cheap labor, screwed their customers out of their money, and they sounded off about the crappy nature of their software on internet blogs. But the stock price went up, and the CEO parachuted out a rich man.


You, and others like you, are under a misconception that Bush is doing something good for this country. He is doing, and has done, nothing in the way of good.. When yall start waking up to that reality, then things will improve.

Its always Bush this, Bush that. What about America? Are you people so in love with Bush that you just dont give a damn about the state of your own country? What is it about this guy that turns you on anyway? Has he done anything at all for you?

You want to be conservative, thats fine, Im conservative. That doesnt mean you need to support Bush, that's not conservative, that's destructive. I just want a better economy, no stupid, useless wars, not all of these problems and misfortunes Bush has bought about. Is that really asking too much?

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Other stuff after a quick search Same guy, and the same group:

http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/16/real_estate/December_foreclosures_up_from_2005/index.htm?section=money_latest

Adjustable-rate mortgages, especially subprime ARMs, continue to drive the spike in foreclosures: many of those loans are due to reset in 2007, and many of the loans written in 2006 are performing less well than in previous years.

"The combination of slower home sales and rising interest rates on ARMs continues to drive foreclosures at significantly higher numbers than a year ago," said James J. Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac.

Another contributor is that some lenders tried to maintain business in a slower market. To do that, some relaxed their underwriting standards, approving more marginal borrowers for loans.

Overall, however, Duncan is optimistic that the pain will be minimal. He expects the economy to keep adding jobs through the rest of the year and for mortgage rates to vary little from around 6.2 percent for a 30-year fixed mortgage.

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That is just great.. unless you are one of the hundreds of thousands of families LOSING their home....so that more people own their own homes thing... just does not cover all these who are now losing them.

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If you had a company and could hire a guy that was WAY tallented for 100,000 a year. Or a guy that could do the same job, but not quite as well for 40,000. Who would you hire?
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This is going back and forth, but the end result is always the same. Lot of good talent and education here in the states that is being thrown away.

I have one cousin that decided not to ever attend college because he saw his dad with a college degree and out of work struggling. Thats how a poor economy affects kids growing up, you cant tell them to get an education and better themselves when they see things like that. American jobs are for Americans, and I dont give a rats ass about anyone in India, Africa, or anywhere else for that matter. America and the state of the US should be the only thing that matters to this government, period.

The majority out there is going to dictate where the US is going, and if its' going in the shithole, then that's where it's going, and they are the ones that are going to take it there. Oh well.

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Let me point one thing out here. Employers with software engineering positons are requiring people with college degrees, they dont hire anyone fresh out of high school.

Not yet, but they will. Like I said, I know a 15 year old with his MS certification. And his Dad said he is BEHIND for his generation.

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The flooded market youre referring to is comming from exportation of jobs to India, everyone in my careerfield knows that, but you dont since you are not a software engineer or in the IT industry.

I can SEE people who used to get paid tons of money getting replaced by guys fresh out of school for less than half. I can also see your jobs being shipped overseas. That tells me that your career field is dying and you will not be able to demand the large paychecks you used to.

I am not in IT, but thats because I was warned not to get into it. I am amazed being part of it you can't see that you need a new career and not just keep doing the same thing and expecting all of a sudden to get a different result.

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You, and others like you, are under a misconception that Bush is doing something good for this country. He is doing, and has done, nothing in the way of good.. When yall start waking up to that reality, then things will improve.

You and others like you keep expecting that the spoils of the past will come back, like they are OWED to you. I am reminded of the stories about the telegraph operators bitching about the telephone.

News flash, your services are no longer worth what they used to be worth...And that is not going to change.

Another news flash, Outsourcing started even before CLINTON

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing

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Outsourcing entered the business lexicon in the 1980s.

Outsourcing appears to threaten the livelihood of domestic workforce and, in the United States, the American Dream. This is especially true for high-tech workers who were promised the “jobs of tomorrow”- a phrase Bill Clinton iterated in 1994 to justify his conservative position on the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Outsourcing appears to work contrary to the claim that “free trade” will create the “jobs of tomorrow” in America when high-tech or high paying white-collar jobs are transferred to or created in foreign countries

More about progress :

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Economist Thomas Sowell from the University of Chicago said “anything that increases economic efficiency--whether by outsourcing or a hundred other things--is likely to cost somebody's job. The automobile cost the jobs of people who took care of horses or made saddles, carriages, and horseshoes.”

What you are doing is being a blacksmith bitching that you don't make horeshoes anymore.

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Walter Williams, another economist, said “we could probably think of hundreds of jobs that either don't exist or exist in far fewer numbers than in the past--jobs such as lift operator, TV repairman, and coal deliveryman. ‘Creative destruction’ is a discovery process where we find ways to produce goods and services more cheaply. That in turn makes us all richer.” [7]

Don't be mad that we don't need guys to run elevators anymore...Get a different job.

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Nationally, 70,000 computer programmers lost their jobs between 1999 and 2003, but more than 115,000 computer software engineers found higher-paying jobs during that same period. [8]

Most economists do not view outsourcing as a threat to the economy

Notice 1999 was before Bush took office. It was the start of the Dot Com bust.

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That is just great.. unless you are one of the hundreds of thousands of families LOSING their home....so that more people own their own homes thing... just does not cover all these who are now losing them.

Maybe those people should have bought what they could afford and not gotten the ARM so they could afford it?

Even then your own source says that more people own homes than ever before.

[DaVinci 0]

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This is going back and forth, but the end result is always the same. Lot of good talent and education here in the states that is being thrown away.

Only if those with the talent pick a job field that is dying and stick to it even though they can see the crash coming.

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I have one cousin that decided not to ever attend college because he saw his dad with a college degree and out of work struggling. Thats how a poor economy affects kids growing up, you cant tell them to get an education and better themselves when they see things like that.

Then that guy does not bother to pay attention to the data that shows a degree will get you more money than not having a degree. Thats not Bush's fault.

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American jobs are for Americans, and I dont give a rats ass about anyone in India, Africa, or anywhere else for that matter. America and the state of the US should be the only thing that matters to this government, period.

Several economic experts see outsourcing the same as the assembly line. Bad for a few that refuse to see the path they are no is doomed and refuse to change...Good for the whole.

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The majority out there is going to dictate where the US is going, and if its' going in the shithole, then that's where it's going, and they are the ones that are going to take it there. Oh well

Would you prefer that the whole goes to shit so you can have the job you wish?

If you are as good as you say, then you can find a new career in little time. The evidence points to the fact that your dream job is not coming back and sitting, wishing, and bitching about it will not change that.

[Amazon 7]

DUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power.

Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better"