akarunway 1 #151 January 26, 2007 QuoteDont forget Koresh..... they shot a bunch of the members as they set the fires...Adn all the children died there too.Hate to beg to differ. BUT. I just saw some new shit came out. FBI- BTAF did all the killingI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #152 January 26, 2007 QuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. A swing and a miss. Nice that you can't debate facts so you attack the person. QuoteOh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" As opposed to the "I don't want to have to do anything and expect you to pay for me" crowd? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #153 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteRobbing jobs and plundering the economy? Got some numbers for that, since all the economic indicators are on the rise and have been? You are going to tell me about economic indicators? And just what economic indicators are you talking about, the stock market? How much richer a few rich people in this country keep getting? Obviously, like so many other Republicans, you measure the state of the economy from the top down. Since you dont mind doing that, I guess you can say that Mexico has a fantasic economy, because there are a few extremely wealthy people there who just keep getting richer. Even though when you go there, you see nothing but people in the street begging for food, and migrant workers who have to cross the border for work. The state of the economy is measured from the working class. Namely me. And I have continually seen my jobs shipped overseas to India during the entire time Bush has been in office. i have seen so many of my peers, highly educated people with over 10 years of job experience, out of work, broke, cant find employment in thier career field anywhere, because their jobs where shipped overseas. Is THAT your idea of a great economy??? If it is, then you must be a corporate CEO. One of the very few Bush seems to be doing something for. If you want an economic indicator, why dont you try taking a look at the state of the working class. They DO represent the majority in this country, you know. Still no numbers, just another rant. I can wait while you get info from thinkprogress or DU, if you like - it's early in the day for me.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #154 January 26, 2007 Quote There it is, you just spelled it out!!!!! And why are they a dime a dozen? Because the little mongrels in India, living in shacks and eating their bowl of rice everyday, are willing to work hard doing their low quality crap for just 5 bucks an hour. And you see, in this Bush economy, its all about cheap labor and higher payoff for the CEO. Fuck the quality...just give me the money. And who do you think got THAT ball rolling? I'll give you a hint - it was after Bush I and before Bush II.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #155 January 26, 2007 In regard to the US economy, Senator Webb said it very well: QuoteWhen one looks at the health of our economy, it's almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared. When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day. Wages and salaries for our workers are at all-time lows as a percentage of national wealth, even though the productivity of American workers is the highest in the world. Medical costs have skyrocketed. College tuition rates are off the charts. Our manufacturing base is being dismantled and sent overseas. Good American jobs are being sent along with them. In short, the middle class of this country, our historic backbone and our best hope for a strong society in the future, is losing its place at the table. Our workers know this, through painful experience. Our white-collar professionals are beginning to understand it, as their jobs start disappearing also. And they expect, rightly, that in this age of globalization, their government has a duty to insist that their concerns be dealt with fairly in the international marketplace. In the early days of our republic, President Andrew Jackson established an important principle of American-style democracy – that we should measure the health of our society not at its apex, but at its base. Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street. It is also clear that the Bush administration has "sold" the future of the US economy. The deficit in trade has grown from about 350 Biilion in 2000 to around 800 Billion p.a. now. The deficit (budget deficit) is now more then 400 billion p.a. The total debt is closing in on 9 trillion. At the end of 2004, foreign holdings of Treasury debt were $1.886 trillion, which was 44% of the total debt held by the public. The country holding by far the most U.S. debt is Japan which held $644.2 billion at the end of August 2006. In recent years the People's Republic of China has also become a holder of over $1 Trillion in total foreign reserves, of which about $339 billion are US Treasuries (and growing, due to the imbalance of trade). The budget deficit can only be paid via future taxes. The way to pay foreign debt is to export more then you import. Not very likely.... The other way is that your assets are sold to foreign owners. The Chinese will probably own a large chunk of US assets (property and companies) very soon. Yeah, the US economy is in great shape....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #156 January 26, 2007 QuoteYeah, the US economy is in great shape.... It's in better shape than it's been in years, and getting better. Until Congress can be reined in from spending the country out from under us (like THAT's going to happen), the debt is still going to be a problem. The solution (after controlling spending) is to help the golden goose lay bigger eggs rather than choking off it's food supply.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #157 January 26, 2007 QuoteI am not to happy to see that people in Africa are more important to our government than its own people. How about sending me some free meds? Another lame speech by a lame duck. We've lost 3 of our 5 packers to HIV in the past 3 years. Trust me. No one in Africa is getting any help. Not from the US, and not from our own government. It's nothing but window dressing. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #158 January 26, 2007 Well, you got your numbers. See the post above. I dont know why youre still arguing the point. It is clear that Bush, like I said, has decimated the economy, put a lot of people out of work. QuoteThe deficit in trade has grown from about 350 Biilion in 2000 to around 800 Billion p.a. now. QuoteIt's in better shape than it's been in years, and getting better. And thats what you call getting better? Bigger deficit means getting worse, not getting better. Dont plan on blaming that on Clinton too. Bush was elected in 2000. The deficit has grown since 2000. Why? Well, cant blame that on the Demos either, since Congress was Republican controlled. Who can you blame it on? Your favorite president, ofcourse. I dont know the solution to the problems he has caused, but I do know one solution....get rid of Bush ASAP. Thats a start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #159 January 26, 2007 QuoteWell, you got your numbers. See the post above. I dont know why youre still arguing the point. It is clear that Bush, like I said, has decimated the economy, put a lot of people out of work. QuoteThe deficit in trade has grown from about 350 Biilion in 2000 to around 800 Billion p.a. now. So, dont plan on blaming that on Clinton too. Bush was elected in 2000. The deficit has grown since 2000. Why? Well, cant blame that on the Demos either, since Congress was Republican controlled. Who can you blame it on? Your favorite president, ofcourse. I dont know the solution to the problems he has caused, but I do know one solution....get rid of Bush ASAP. Thats a start. Which are you wanting to discuss - the debt, or the state of the economy? They are two entirely separate animals. The budget is submitted by Congress and approved (or not) by the President....so both are to blame for what finally gets passed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #160 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnd they thought we were safe before 9/11. Simple fact is that we are not safe, nor will we be safe again. Youre so worried about your "safety", and you jump out of airplanes. Right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #161 January 26, 2007 QuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. BTW, and youre not going to believe this, but my entire family, living in the Houston/ Louisiana area, are just as, if not more conservative than these three. When my aunt, another of the 'compassionate conservative' Bush fanatics, when she dies, Im not even going to bother going to her funeral. My response to that will be "FUCK YOU, you are dead and in the ground and Im alive and doing fine you freeloading bitch, tough shit for you!". Im taking compassionate conservative lessons from DaVinci and mnealtx. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #162 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #163 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!! At least Ill have one. Thats right, smart move. You may just be on your way to being a good Democrat after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #164 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuote As opposed to the "I don't want to have to do anything and expect you to pay for me" crowd? On that note, I might as well tell you, my last contract paid 55 / hour, which is generally what I get, which amounts to 110K, and Im single. No doubt, I am on a higher socio-economic scale than you are, and I pay much more in taxes than you do. Seems to me like I should be the one complaining about it, but Im not complaining, you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #165 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!! At least Ill have one. Thats right, smart move. You may just be on your way to being a good Democrat after all. Ok... so you still don't have any numbers...got it. Last time I checked, there was never a guarantee that I'd keep the same type of job and high salary level for my whole career, when I entered the workforce. Is that some sort of new entitlement the Dems have come up with? Be sure to let us know when Nancy gets those jobs back from India that Bill sent out, will you? As for "being a good Democrat"... I've got no interest in socialism, so that ain't gonna happen. I appreciate the offer, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #166 January 26, 2007 Quote More people own homes than EVER,.... They don't own them yet. People still seem to be confusing debt with prosperity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #167 January 26, 2007 About foreclosures QuoteIRVINE, Calif., Jan. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- RealtyTrac(TM) (http://www.realtytrac.com/), the leading online marketplace for foreclosure properties, today released year-end data from its 2006 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report, which shows more than 1.2 million foreclosure filings were reported nationwide during the year, up 42 percent from 2005 and a foreclosure rate of one foreclosure filing for every 92 U.S. households.... "While foreclosures are not at historically high levels, a 42 percent year-over-year increase is certainly noteworthy," said James J. Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. "The increase in the number of properties in foreclosure was driven partly by the general slowing of overall housing sales, and partly by the impact of monthly mortgage payments increasing dramatically for homeowners who held some of the riskier types of adjustable rate and sub-prime mortgages. As more and more of these loans re-set, we saw a surge to finish the year, with the fourth quarter producing more foreclosure filings than any of the three previous quarters." The number of total foreclosure filings rose from about 885,000 in 2005 to 1,259,118 in 2006. While that is a substantial increase, it is still within the scope of normal historical averages, according to Saccacio. "It's true that foreclosures could have a negative impact on the housing market if they continue to increase at this rate. And in some of the more problematic local markets they already may be contributing to slowing home price appreciation and a glut of homes for sale," he said. "However, most local markets have been able to re-absorb foreclosure homes without seeing any major damage to the local economy." Non-Farm payrolls have added 3,800,000 new jobs in the past two years. That's the net gain, folks. Average hourly wages increased 4.2% in December 2006 (over December 2005). The highest increase during Clinton's tenure was 4.4%. I can see why people think things are so dire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #168 January 26, 2007 QuoteOn that note, I might as well tell you, my last contract paid 55 / hour, which is generally what I get, which amounts to 110K, and Im single. Well, then if you do so well then why the worry about being unemployed? I noticed you never answered my question about what car you drive or how many appliances are from China in your little one bedroom apt. Funny how you bitch about outsourcing and Americans losing jobs but I bet you own a ton of Chinese made stuff. I own an American car, so don't blame me for Ford losing the most money EVER. Quote No doubt, I am on a higher socio-economic scale than you are, and I pay much more in taxes than you do. You make some assumptions you can't back. Don't you know I am one of the "rich" living off the backs of the "poor" . I can tell you this, I do fine thanks. I OWN my own home and in no danger of losing my job to India. And if I was losing my job, I would not just sit and bitch about it . On here several times you have stated you can't find a job yet you still do nothing about it. You are the elevator man of this era...Going the way of the dodo, but YOU refuse to do anything about it. QuoteI pay much more in taxes than you do. More assumptions. I have a nice job and have worked solidly for 15 years without one layoff or worries about getting laid off. I changed my career to one that could not be outsourced or done by a machine. I go to school (and not just in one career field) to continue to be flexable and able to get and keep a job. You sit jobless in a one bedroom APT and bitch about outsourcing while driving an import and watching your Sony TV. QuoteThey are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". No, I care. Notice I did not call you a loser? Thats why I made suggestions as opposed to wanting you to sit and do nothing and having a harder and harder time. You are expecting to live the high life that you had...But that ship has sailed. Don't sit at the dock and bitch about it. Years ago a boss gave me a book. I do not remember the title, but the jist of it was that this generation needs to be able to not only company hop, but will have several careers in a life time. The boss that gave it to me had been a police officer, a Pharmacist, then an IT guy with CISCO before being my boss. You have a valid point the the debt is way too high. But Congress has half of the balme there. so I don't understand how you can just blame Bush. And you ignore ALL the other factors that the economy is strong. You use your personal experince of being unemployed and expect that means the economy is bad....No it means YOUR economy is bad. The country is doing well according to most economic indicators. If I don't get back to you, I'll be on Vacation for the next two weeks...Have fun with the job hunt! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #169 January 26, 2007 When the shoe fits... run with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #170 January 26, 2007 Quote Non-Farm payrolls have added 3,800,000 new jobs in the past two years. That's the net gain, folks. Average hourly wages increased 4.2% in December 2006 (over December 2005). The highest increase during Clinton's tenure was 4.4%. I can see why people think things are so dire. I've been looking for it but I can't seem to find some graphs that I got off my Congressman's website about three years ago. They predicted short term job growth followed by a substantial crash in the late 00's. I seem to remember that being a consensus of a number of sources but I can't provide specifics right now. I'll post that info if I find it. That aside, globally we're hurting. We've dropped from first to sixth in the world economic forum's competitiveness rankings. Their recent report makes some valid points. "“The United States will remain, for the foreseeable future, one of the most competitive economies in the world, reflecting the existence of a long pipeline of innovation, nurtured by a first class system of higher education. However, two areas are of some concern and if unattended could allow other countries–in a highly competitive global economy–to challenge the US’s privileged position. First, with potentially open-ended expenditure commitments linked to defence and homeland security, ongoing plans to lower taxes further, as well as other longer-term potential claims on the budget, the prospects for sustained fiscal adjustment seem not too bright. With a low savings rate, record-high current account deficits and a worsening of the US’s net debtor position, there is a non-negligible risk to both the country’s overall competitiveness and, given the relative size of the US economy, the future of the global economy. Second, while the US has, in general, an excellent institutional framework, the quality of the country’s public institutions falls somewhat short of the levels of transparency and efficiency seen in other OECD members,” said Augusto Lopez-Claros, Chief Economist and Head of the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Network. http://budget.house.gov/analyses/07WEF_report.pdf Yea, I know this is another example of "always with the negative waves" and "what about all the good things" but I have a tendency to look at what's wrong and try to fix it. If the foundation on the house is crumbling I'm not going to rave about the resale value being boosted by the granite countertops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #171 January 26, 2007 QuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #172 January 27, 2007 QuoteWhen the shoe fits... run with it. Yes, I guess it is better to watch your job dissolve and just sit around and bitch about it and expect the Gov to make it all better. Only a fool would realize that that job at the level you USED to have is gone and go get trained for a new and better job that has security. And on another note, I just got offerd a new job last night...With around a 20% pay raise. But I don't like the job nor the hours and I am doing fine and I like what I am doing.......So I really don't know what I am gonna do. Thats a nice position to be in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #173 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex.. bullshit. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,501 #174 January 28, 2007 QuoteGrand slam year for Federer? Last year he came so close.... One down, three to go.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #175 January 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex.. bullshit. so Missionaries haven't told tribes in the south pacific they needed to wear clothes to cover their 'wickedness' in complete contradiction with the actual climate? you haven't traveled much have you? 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mnealtx 0 #154 January 26, 2007 Quote There it is, you just spelled it out!!!!! And why are they a dime a dozen? Because the little mongrels in India, living in shacks and eating their bowl of rice everyday, are willing to work hard doing their low quality crap for just 5 bucks an hour. And you see, in this Bush economy, its all about cheap labor and higher payoff for the CEO. Fuck the quality...just give me the money. And who do you think got THAT ball rolling? I'll give you a hint - it was after Bush I and before Bush II.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #155 January 26, 2007 In regard to the US economy, Senator Webb said it very well: QuoteWhen one looks at the health of our economy, it's almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared. When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day. Wages and salaries for our workers are at all-time lows as a percentage of national wealth, even though the productivity of American workers is the highest in the world. Medical costs have skyrocketed. College tuition rates are off the charts. Our manufacturing base is being dismantled and sent overseas. Good American jobs are being sent along with them. In short, the middle class of this country, our historic backbone and our best hope for a strong society in the future, is losing its place at the table. Our workers know this, through painful experience. Our white-collar professionals are beginning to understand it, as their jobs start disappearing also. And they expect, rightly, that in this age of globalization, their government has a duty to insist that their concerns be dealt with fairly in the international marketplace. In the early days of our republic, President Andrew Jackson established an important principle of American-style democracy – that we should measure the health of our society not at its apex, but at its base. Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street. It is also clear that the Bush administration has "sold" the future of the US economy. The deficit in trade has grown from about 350 Biilion in 2000 to around 800 Billion p.a. now. The deficit (budget deficit) is now more then 400 billion p.a. The total debt is closing in on 9 trillion. At the end of 2004, foreign holdings of Treasury debt were $1.886 trillion, which was 44% of the total debt held by the public. The country holding by far the most U.S. debt is Japan which held $644.2 billion at the end of August 2006. In recent years the People's Republic of China has also become a holder of over $1 Trillion in total foreign reserves, of which about $339 billion are US Treasuries (and growing, due to the imbalance of trade). The budget deficit can only be paid via future taxes. The way to pay foreign debt is to export more then you import. Not very likely.... The other way is that your assets are sold to foreign owners. The Chinese will probably own a large chunk of US assets (property and companies) very soon. Yeah, the US economy is in great shape....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #156 January 26, 2007 QuoteYeah, the US economy is in great shape.... It's in better shape than it's been in years, and getting better. Until Congress can be reined in from spending the country out from under us (like THAT's going to happen), the debt is still going to be a problem. The solution (after controlling spending) is to help the golden goose lay bigger eggs rather than choking off it's food supply.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #157 January 26, 2007 QuoteI am not to happy to see that people in Africa are more important to our government than its own people. How about sending me some free meds? Another lame speech by a lame duck. We've lost 3 of our 5 packers to HIV in the past 3 years. Trust me. No one in Africa is getting any help. Not from the US, and not from our own government. It's nothing but window dressing. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #158 January 26, 2007 Well, you got your numbers. See the post above. I dont know why youre still arguing the point. It is clear that Bush, like I said, has decimated the economy, put a lot of people out of work. QuoteThe deficit in trade has grown from about 350 Biilion in 2000 to around 800 Billion p.a. now. QuoteIt's in better shape than it's been in years, and getting better. And thats what you call getting better? Bigger deficit means getting worse, not getting better. Dont plan on blaming that on Clinton too. Bush was elected in 2000. The deficit has grown since 2000. Why? Well, cant blame that on the Demos either, since Congress was Republican controlled. Who can you blame it on? Your favorite president, ofcourse. I dont know the solution to the problems he has caused, but I do know one solution....get rid of Bush ASAP. Thats a start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #159 January 26, 2007 QuoteWell, you got your numbers. See the post above. I dont know why youre still arguing the point. It is clear that Bush, like I said, has decimated the economy, put a lot of people out of work. QuoteThe deficit in trade has grown from about 350 Biilion in 2000 to around 800 Billion p.a. now. So, dont plan on blaming that on Clinton too. Bush was elected in 2000. The deficit has grown since 2000. Why? Well, cant blame that on the Demos either, since Congress was Republican controlled. Who can you blame it on? Your favorite president, ofcourse. I dont know the solution to the problems he has caused, but I do know one solution....get rid of Bush ASAP. Thats a start. Which are you wanting to discuss - the debt, or the state of the economy? They are two entirely separate animals. The budget is submitted by Congress and approved (or not) by the President....so both are to blame for what finally gets passed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #160 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnd they thought we were safe before 9/11. Simple fact is that we are not safe, nor will we be safe again. Youre so worried about your "safety", and you jump out of airplanes. Right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #161 January 26, 2007 QuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. BTW, and youre not going to believe this, but my entire family, living in the Houston/ Louisiana area, are just as, if not more conservative than these three. When my aunt, another of the 'compassionate conservative' Bush fanatics, when she dies, Im not even going to bother going to her funeral. My response to that will be "FUCK YOU, you are dead and in the ground and Im alive and doing fine you freeloading bitch, tough shit for you!". Im taking compassionate conservative lessons from DaVinci and mnealtx. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #162 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #163 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!! At least Ill have one. Thats right, smart move. You may just be on your way to being a good Democrat after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #164 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuote As opposed to the "I don't want to have to do anything and expect you to pay for me" crowd? On that note, I might as well tell you, my last contract paid 55 / hour, which is generally what I get, which amounts to 110K, and Im single. No doubt, I am on a higher socio-economic scale than you are, and I pay much more in taxes than you do. Seems to me like I should be the one complaining about it, but Im not complaining, you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #165 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!! At least Ill have one. Thats right, smart move. You may just be on your way to being a good Democrat after all. Ok... so you still don't have any numbers...got it. Last time I checked, there was never a guarantee that I'd keep the same type of job and high salary level for my whole career, when I entered the workforce. Is that some sort of new entitlement the Dems have come up with? Be sure to let us know when Nancy gets those jobs back from India that Bill sent out, will you? As for "being a good Democrat"... I've got no interest in socialism, so that ain't gonna happen. I appreciate the offer, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #166 January 26, 2007 Quote More people own homes than EVER,.... They don't own them yet. People still seem to be confusing debt with prosperity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #167 January 26, 2007 About foreclosures QuoteIRVINE, Calif., Jan. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- RealtyTrac(TM) (http://www.realtytrac.com/), the leading online marketplace for foreclosure properties, today released year-end data from its 2006 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report, which shows more than 1.2 million foreclosure filings were reported nationwide during the year, up 42 percent from 2005 and a foreclosure rate of one foreclosure filing for every 92 U.S. households.... "While foreclosures are not at historically high levels, a 42 percent year-over-year increase is certainly noteworthy," said James J. Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. "The increase in the number of properties in foreclosure was driven partly by the general slowing of overall housing sales, and partly by the impact of monthly mortgage payments increasing dramatically for homeowners who held some of the riskier types of adjustable rate and sub-prime mortgages. As more and more of these loans re-set, we saw a surge to finish the year, with the fourth quarter producing more foreclosure filings than any of the three previous quarters." The number of total foreclosure filings rose from about 885,000 in 2005 to 1,259,118 in 2006. While that is a substantial increase, it is still within the scope of normal historical averages, according to Saccacio. "It's true that foreclosures could have a negative impact on the housing market if they continue to increase at this rate. And in some of the more problematic local markets they already may be contributing to slowing home price appreciation and a glut of homes for sale," he said. "However, most local markets have been able to re-absorb foreclosure homes without seeing any major damage to the local economy." Non-Farm payrolls have added 3,800,000 new jobs in the past two years. That's the net gain, folks. Average hourly wages increased 4.2% in December 2006 (over December 2005). The highest increase during Clinton's tenure was 4.4%. I can see why people think things are so dire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #168 January 26, 2007 QuoteOn that note, I might as well tell you, my last contract paid 55 / hour, which is generally what I get, which amounts to 110K, and Im single. Well, then if you do so well then why the worry about being unemployed? I noticed you never answered my question about what car you drive or how many appliances are from China in your little one bedroom apt. Funny how you bitch about outsourcing and Americans losing jobs but I bet you own a ton of Chinese made stuff. I own an American car, so don't blame me for Ford losing the most money EVER. Quote No doubt, I am on a higher socio-economic scale than you are, and I pay much more in taxes than you do. You make some assumptions you can't back. Don't you know I am one of the "rich" living off the backs of the "poor" . I can tell you this, I do fine thanks. I OWN my own home and in no danger of losing my job to India. And if I was losing my job, I would not just sit and bitch about it . On here several times you have stated you can't find a job yet you still do nothing about it. You are the elevator man of this era...Going the way of the dodo, but YOU refuse to do anything about it. QuoteI pay much more in taxes than you do. More assumptions. I have a nice job and have worked solidly for 15 years without one layoff or worries about getting laid off. I changed my career to one that could not be outsourced or done by a machine. I go to school (and not just in one career field) to continue to be flexable and able to get and keep a job. You sit jobless in a one bedroom APT and bitch about outsourcing while driving an import and watching your Sony TV. QuoteThey are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". No, I care. Notice I did not call you a loser? Thats why I made suggestions as opposed to wanting you to sit and do nothing and having a harder and harder time. You are expecting to live the high life that you had...But that ship has sailed. Don't sit at the dock and bitch about it. Years ago a boss gave me a book. I do not remember the title, but the jist of it was that this generation needs to be able to not only company hop, but will have several careers in a life time. The boss that gave it to me had been a police officer, a Pharmacist, then an IT guy with CISCO before being my boss. You have a valid point the the debt is way too high. But Congress has half of the balme there. so I don't understand how you can just blame Bush. And you ignore ALL the other factors that the economy is strong. You use your personal experince of being unemployed and expect that means the economy is bad....No it means YOUR economy is bad. The country is doing well according to most economic indicators. If I don't get back to you, I'll be on Vacation for the next two weeks...Have fun with the job hunt! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #169 January 26, 2007 When the shoe fits... run with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #170 January 26, 2007 Quote Non-Farm payrolls have added 3,800,000 new jobs in the past two years. That's the net gain, folks. Average hourly wages increased 4.2% in December 2006 (over December 2005). The highest increase during Clinton's tenure was 4.4%. I can see why people think things are so dire. I've been looking for it but I can't seem to find some graphs that I got off my Congressman's website about three years ago. They predicted short term job growth followed by a substantial crash in the late 00's. I seem to remember that being a consensus of a number of sources but I can't provide specifics right now. I'll post that info if I find it. That aside, globally we're hurting. We've dropped from first to sixth in the world economic forum's competitiveness rankings. Their recent report makes some valid points. "“The United States will remain, for the foreseeable future, one of the most competitive economies in the world, reflecting the existence of a long pipeline of innovation, nurtured by a first class system of higher education. However, two areas are of some concern and if unattended could allow other countries–in a highly competitive global economy–to challenge the US’s privileged position. First, with potentially open-ended expenditure commitments linked to defence and homeland security, ongoing plans to lower taxes further, as well as other longer-term potential claims on the budget, the prospects for sustained fiscal adjustment seem not too bright. With a low savings rate, record-high current account deficits and a worsening of the US’s net debtor position, there is a non-negligible risk to both the country’s overall competitiveness and, given the relative size of the US economy, the future of the global economy. Second, while the US has, in general, an excellent institutional framework, the quality of the country’s public institutions falls somewhat short of the levels of transparency and efficiency seen in other OECD members,” said Augusto Lopez-Claros, Chief Economist and Head of the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Network. http://budget.house.gov/analyses/07WEF_report.pdf Yea, I know this is another example of "always with the negative waves" and "what about all the good things" but I have a tendency to look at what's wrong and try to fix it. If the foundation on the house is crumbling I'm not going to rave about the resale value being boosted by the granite countertops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #171 January 26, 2007 QuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #172 January 27, 2007 QuoteWhen the shoe fits... run with it. Yes, I guess it is better to watch your job dissolve and just sit around and bitch about it and expect the Gov to make it all better. Only a fool would realize that that job at the level you USED to have is gone and go get trained for a new and better job that has security. And on another note, I just got offerd a new job last night...With around a 20% pay raise. But I don't like the job nor the hours and I am doing fine and I like what I am doing.......So I really don't know what I am gonna do. Thats a nice position to be in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #173 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex.. bullshit. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,501 #174 January 28, 2007 QuoteGrand slam year for Federer? Last year he came so close.... One down, three to go.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #175 January 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex.. bullshit. so Missionaries haven't told tribes in the south pacific they needed to wear clothes to cover their 'wickedness' in complete contradiction with the actual climate? you haven't traveled much have you? 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jumprunner 0 #161 January 26, 2007 QuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. BTW, and youre not going to believe this, but my entire family, living in the Houston/ Louisiana area, are just as, if not more conservative than these three. When my aunt, another of the 'compassionate conservative' Bush fanatics, when she dies, Im not even going to bother going to her funeral. My response to that will be "FUCK YOU, you are dead and in the ground and Im alive and doing fine you freeloading bitch, tough shit for you!". Im taking compassionate conservative lessons from DaVinci and mnealtx. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #162 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #163 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!! At least Ill have one. Thats right, smart move. You may just be on your way to being a good Democrat after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #164 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuote As opposed to the "I don't want to have to do anything and expect you to pay for me" crowd? On that note, I might as well tell you, my last contract paid 55 / hour, which is generally what I get, which amounts to 110K, and Im single. No doubt, I am on a higher socio-economic scale than you are, and I pay much more in taxes than you do. Seems to me like I should be the one complaining about it, but Im not complaining, you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #165 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!! At least Ill have one. Thats right, smart move. You may just be on your way to being a good Democrat after all. Ok... so you still don't have any numbers...got it. Last time I checked, there was never a guarantee that I'd keep the same type of job and high salary level for my whole career, when I entered the workforce. Is that some sort of new entitlement the Dems have come up with? Be sure to let us know when Nancy gets those jobs back from India that Bill sent out, will you? As for "being a good Democrat"... I've got no interest in socialism, so that ain't gonna happen. I appreciate the offer, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #166 January 26, 2007 Quote More people own homes than EVER,.... They don't own them yet. People still seem to be confusing debt with prosperity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #167 January 26, 2007 About foreclosures QuoteIRVINE, Calif., Jan. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- RealtyTrac(TM) (http://www.realtytrac.com/), the leading online marketplace for foreclosure properties, today released year-end data from its 2006 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report, which shows more than 1.2 million foreclosure filings were reported nationwide during the year, up 42 percent from 2005 and a foreclosure rate of one foreclosure filing for every 92 U.S. households.... "While foreclosures are not at historically high levels, a 42 percent year-over-year increase is certainly noteworthy," said James J. Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. "The increase in the number of properties in foreclosure was driven partly by the general slowing of overall housing sales, and partly by the impact of monthly mortgage payments increasing dramatically for homeowners who held some of the riskier types of adjustable rate and sub-prime mortgages. As more and more of these loans re-set, we saw a surge to finish the year, with the fourth quarter producing more foreclosure filings than any of the three previous quarters." The number of total foreclosure filings rose from about 885,000 in 2005 to 1,259,118 in 2006. While that is a substantial increase, it is still within the scope of normal historical averages, according to Saccacio. "It's true that foreclosures could have a negative impact on the housing market if they continue to increase at this rate. And in some of the more problematic local markets they already may be contributing to slowing home price appreciation and a glut of homes for sale," he said. "However, most local markets have been able to re-absorb foreclosure homes without seeing any major damage to the local economy." Non-Farm payrolls have added 3,800,000 new jobs in the past two years. That's the net gain, folks. Average hourly wages increased 4.2% in December 2006 (over December 2005). The highest increase during Clinton's tenure was 4.4%. I can see why people think things are so dire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #168 January 26, 2007 QuoteOn that note, I might as well tell you, my last contract paid 55 / hour, which is generally what I get, which amounts to 110K, and Im single. Well, then if you do so well then why the worry about being unemployed? I noticed you never answered my question about what car you drive or how many appliances are from China in your little one bedroom apt. Funny how you bitch about outsourcing and Americans losing jobs but I bet you own a ton of Chinese made stuff. I own an American car, so don't blame me for Ford losing the most money EVER. Quote No doubt, I am on a higher socio-economic scale than you are, and I pay much more in taxes than you do. You make some assumptions you can't back. Don't you know I am one of the "rich" living off the backs of the "poor" . I can tell you this, I do fine thanks. I OWN my own home and in no danger of losing my job to India. And if I was losing my job, I would not just sit and bitch about it . On here several times you have stated you can't find a job yet you still do nothing about it. You are the elevator man of this era...Going the way of the dodo, but YOU refuse to do anything about it. QuoteI pay much more in taxes than you do. More assumptions. I have a nice job and have worked solidly for 15 years without one layoff or worries about getting laid off. I changed my career to one that could not be outsourced or done by a machine. I go to school (and not just in one career field) to continue to be flexable and able to get and keep a job. You sit jobless in a one bedroom APT and bitch about outsourcing while driving an import and watching your Sony TV. QuoteThey are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". No, I care. Notice I did not call you a loser? Thats why I made suggestions as opposed to wanting you to sit and do nothing and having a harder and harder time. You are expecting to live the high life that you had...But that ship has sailed. Don't sit at the dock and bitch about it. Years ago a boss gave me a book. I do not remember the title, but the jist of it was that this generation needs to be able to not only company hop, but will have several careers in a life time. The boss that gave it to me had been a police officer, a Pharmacist, then an IT guy with CISCO before being my boss. You have a valid point the the debt is way too high. But Congress has half of the balme there. so I don't understand how you can just blame Bush. And you ignore ALL the other factors that the economy is strong. You use your personal experince of being unemployed and expect that means the economy is bad....No it means YOUR economy is bad. The country is doing well according to most economic indicators. If I don't get back to you, I'll be on Vacation for the next two weeks...Have fun with the job hunt! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #169 January 26, 2007 When the shoe fits... run with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #170 January 26, 2007 Quote Non-Farm payrolls have added 3,800,000 new jobs in the past two years. That's the net gain, folks. Average hourly wages increased 4.2% in December 2006 (over December 2005). The highest increase during Clinton's tenure was 4.4%. I can see why people think things are so dire. I've been looking for it but I can't seem to find some graphs that I got off my Congressman's website about three years ago. They predicted short term job growth followed by a substantial crash in the late 00's. I seem to remember that being a consensus of a number of sources but I can't provide specifics right now. I'll post that info if I find it. That aside, globally we're hurting. We've dropped from first to sixth in the world economic forum's competitiveness rankings. Their recent report makes some valid points. "“The United States will remain, for the foreseeable future, one of the most competitive economies in the world, reflecting the existence of a long pipeline of innovation, nurtured by a first class system of higher education. However, two areas are of some concern and if unattended could allow other countries–in a highly competitive global economy–to challenge the US’s privileged position. First, with potentially open-ended expenditure commitments linked to defence and homeland security, ongoing plans to lower taxes further, as well as other longer-term potential claims on the budget, the prospects for sustained fiscal adjustment seem not too bright. With a low savings rate, record-high current account deficits and a worsening of the US’s net debtor position, there is a non-negligible risk to both the country’s overall competitiveness and, given the relative size of the US economy, the future of the global economy. Second, while the US has, in general, an excellent institutional framework, the quality of the country’s public institutions falls somewhat short of the levels of transparency and efficiency seen in other OECD members,” said Augusto Lopez-Claros, Chief Economist and Head of the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Network. http://budget.house.gov/analyses/07WEF_report.pdf Yea, I know this is another example of "always with the negative waves" and "what about all the good things" but I have a tendency to look at what's wrong and try to fix it. If the foundation on the house is crumbling I'm not going to rave about the resale value being boosted by the granite countertops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #171 January 26, 2007 QuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #172 January 27, 2007 QuoteWhen the shoe fits... run with it. Yes, I guess it is better to watch your job dissolve and just sit around and bitch about it and expect the Gov to make it all better. Only a fool would realize that that job at the level you USED to have is gone and go get trained for a new and better job that has security. And on another note, I just got offerd a new job last night...With around a 20% pay raise. But I don't like the job nor the hours and I am doing fine and I like what I am doing.......So I really don't know what I am gonna do. Thats a nice position to be in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #173 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex.. bullshit. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,501 #174 January 28, 2007 QuoteGrand slam year for Federer? Last year he came so close.... One down, three to go.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #175 January 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex.. bullshit. so Missionaries haven't told tribes in the south pacific they needed to wear clothes to cover their 'wickedness' in complete contradiction with the actual climate? you haven't traveled much have you? 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mnealtx 0 #165 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDUDE you are argueing with one of those Compasionate Conservatives... All is well in Bush land so FUCK YOU.. is the basic message from the right wing in power. Oh and add to that.. the attitude of " I've got mine and I dont give a fuck about anyone else.... and I pay too much in taxes to support all these low life indigents who wont work that do not deserve any better" Yep, I think youre right, that conversation is going nowhere. They are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". I guess that's as passionate as the conservatives get. And, that's why I vote Democrat. So they can take MORE money out of that paycheck you're bitching is too small... smart move!! At least Ill have one. Thats right, smart move. You may just be on your way to being a good Democrat after all. Ok... so you still don't have any numbers...got it. Last time I checked, there was never a guarantee that I'd keep the same type of job and high salary level for my whole career, when I entered the workforce. Is that some sort of new entitlement the Dems have come up with? Be sure to let us know when Nancy gets those jobs back from India that Bill sent out, will you? As for "being a good Democrat"... I've got no interest in socialism, so that ain't gonna happen. I appreciate the offer, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #166 January 26, 2007 Quote More people own homes than EVER,.... They don't own them yet. People still seem to be confusing debt with prosperity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #167 January 26, 2007 About foreclosures QuoteIRVINE, Calif., Jan. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- RealtyTrac(TM) (http://www.realtytrac.com/), the leading online marketplace for foreclosure properties, today released year-end data from its 2006 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report, which shows more than 1.2 million foreclosure filings were reported nationwide during the year, up 42 percent from 2005 and a foreclosure rate of one foreclosure filing for every 92 U.S. households.... "While foreclosures are not at historically high levels, a 42 percent year-over-year increase is certainly noteworthy," said James J. Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. "The increase in the number of properties in foreclosure was driven partly by the general slowing of overall housing sales, and partly by the impact of monthly mortgage payments increasing dramatically for homeowners who held some of the riskier types of adjustable rate and sub-prime mortgages. As more and more of these loans re-set, we saw a surge to finish the year, with the fourth quarter producing more foreclosure filings than any of the three previous quarters." The number of total foreclosure filings rose from about 885,000 in 2005 to 1,259,118 in 2006. While that is a substantial increase, it is still within the scope of normal historical averages, according to Saccacio. "It's true that foreclosures could have a negative impact on the housing market if they continue to increase at this rate. And in some of the more problematic local markets they already may be contributing to slowing home price appreciation and a glut of homes for sale," he said. "However, most local markets have been able to re-absorb foreclosure homes without seeing any major damage to the local economy." Non-Farm payrolls have added 3,800,000 new jobs in the past two years. That's the net gain, folks. Average hourly wages increased 4.2% in December 2006 (over December 2005). The highest increase during Clinton's tenure was 4.4%. I can see why people think things are so dire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #168 January 26, 2007 QuoteOn that note, I might as well tell you, my last contract paid 55 / hour, which is generally what I get, which amounts to 110K, and Im single. Well, then if you do so well then why the worry about being unemployed? I noticed you never answered my question about what car you drive or how many appliances are from China in your little one bedroom apt. Funny how you bitch about outsourcing and Americans losing jobs but I bet you own a ton of Chinese made stuff. I own an American car, so don't blame me for Ford losing the most money EVER. Quote No doubt, I am on a higher socio-economic scale than you are, and I pay much more in taxes than you do. You make some assumptions you can't back. Don't you know I am one of the "rich" living off the backs of the "poor" . I can tell you this, I do fine thanks. I OWN my own home and in no danger of losing my job to India. And if I was losing my job, I would not just sit and bitch about it . On here several times you have stated you can't find a job yet you still do nothing about it. You are the elevator man of this era...Going the way of the dodo, but YOU refuse to do anything about it. QuoteI pay much more in taxes than you do. More assumptions. I have a nice job and have worked solidly for 15 years without one layoff or worries about getting laid off. I changed my career to one that could not be outsourced or done by a machine. I go to school (and not just in one career field) to continue to be flexable and able to get and keep a job. You sit jobless in a one bedroom APT and bitch about outsourcing while driving an import and watching your Sony TV. QuoteThey are well versed on the Bush rhetoric of "the economy is great, youre an loser, you need to change your career field to whatever, if you cant, too bad for you....go beg for money, who cares?". No, I care. Notice I did not call you a loser? Thats why I made suggestions as opposed to wanting you to sit and do nothing and having a harder and harder time. You are expecting to live the high life that you had...But that ship has sailed. Don't sit at the dock and bitch about it. Years ago a boss gave me a book. I do not remember the title, but the jist of it was that this generation needs to be able to not only company hop, but will have several careers in a life time. The boss that gave it to me had been a police officer, a Pharmacist, then an IT guy with CISCO before being my boss. You have a valid point the the debt is way too high. But Congress has half of the balme there. so I don't understand how you can just blame Bush. And you ignore ALL the other factors that the economy is strong. You use your personal experince of being unemployed and expect that means the economy is bad....No it means YOUR economy is bad. The country is doing well according to most economic indicators. If I don't get back to you, I'll be on Vacation for the next two weeks...Have fun with the job hunt! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #169 January 26, 2007 When the shoe fits... run with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #170 January 26, 2007 Quote Non-Farm payrolls have added 3,800,000 new jobs in the past two years. That's the net gain, folks. Average hourly wages increased 4.2% in December 2006 (over December 2005). The highest increase during Clinton's tenure was 4.4%. I can see why people think things are so dire. I've been looking for it but I can't seem to find some graphs that I got off my Congressman's website about three years ago. They predicted short term job growth followed by a substantial crash in the late 00's. I seem to remember that being a consensus of a number of sources but I can't provide specifics right now. I'll post that info if I find it. That aside, globally we're hurting. We've dropped from first to sixth in the world economic forum's competitiveness rankings. Their recent report makes some valid points. "“The United States will remain, for the foreseeable future, one of the most competitive economies in the world, reflecting the existence of a long pipeline of innovation, nurtured by a first class system of higher education. However, two areas are of some concern and if unattended could allow other countries–in a highly competitive global economy–to challenge the US’s privileged position. First, with potentially open-ended expenditure commitments linked to defence and homeland security, ongoing plans to lower taxes further, as well as other longer-term potential claims on the budget, the prospects for sustained fiscal adjustment seem not too bright. With a low savings rate, record-high current account deficits and a worsening of the US’s net debtor position, there is a non-negligible risk to both the country’s overall competitiveness and, given the relative size of the US economy, the future of the global economy. Second, while the US has, in general, an excellent institutional framework, the quality of the country’s public institutions falls somewhat short of the levels of transparency and efficiency seen in other OECD members,” said Augusto Lopez-Claros, Chief Economist and Head of the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Network. http://budget.house.gov/analyses/07WEF_report.pdf Yea, I know this is another example of "always with the negative waves" and "what about all the good things" but I have a tendency to look at what's wrong and try to fix it. If the foundation on the house is crumbling I'm not going to rave about the resale value being boosted by the granite countertops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #171 January 26, 2007 QuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #172 January 27, 2007 QuoteWhen the shoe fits... run with it. Yes, I guess it is better to watch your job dissolve and just sit around and bitch about it and expect the Gov to make it all better. Only a fool would realize that that job at the level you USED to have is gone and go get trained for a new and better job that has security. And on another note, I just got offerd a new job last night...With around a 20% pay raise. But I don't like the job nor the hours and I am doing fine and I like what I am doing.......So I really don't know what I am gonna do. Thats a nice position to be in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #173 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex.. bullshit. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,501 #174 January 28, 2007 QuoteGrand slam year for Federer? Last year he came so close.... One down, three to go.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #175 January 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteOh, let's add the christian missionaries in the amazon rainforest... reputed by an anthropologist friend of mine who lives there 6 months every year to be the most evil people he's ever met. They have a long-standing mission to convert or destroy and they're partially successful at both. pretty much applies to Christian Missionaries everywhere... who's primary reason is to convert them from their heathen ways no matter how happy they were before being saddled with the Christian guilt complex.. bullshit. so Missionaries haven't told tribes in the south pacific they needed to wear clothes to cover their 'wickedness' in complete contradiction with the actual climate? you haven't traveled much have you? Destroying another culture is what Christian have historically done BEST...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
