Military Shows Off New Ray Gun

[akarunway 1]

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Before I order some, I need to know what colours it comes in. A chap can't go out on a real riot dressed like shite, you know. Style is everything on the streets.

I think HOT PINK Camo would be nice for you

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[lawrocket 3]

I can imagine troops training with those things at Ft. Richardson or Ft. Drum and warming themselves up with them.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rehmwa 2]

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Anyone hit by the beam immediately jumped out of its path because of the sudden blast of heat throughout the body. While the 130-degree heat was not painful, it was intense enough to make the participants think their clothes were about to ignite.

We should organize a protest, this is obviously torture. Scaring enemy combatants might cause them permanent psychological damage. We should preemtively pay damages right now for the UN to distribute as they see fit.

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[JohnRich 4]

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I can imagine troops training with those things at Ft. Richardson or Ft. Drum and warming themselves up with them.

Yes, it would make a quick hot meal out of MRE's!

[Gawain 0]

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How so? with any weapon, Lethal or LTL there are rules to follow. You can't shoot it at someone standing on a street corner 300M away talking on a cell phone. Could he be studying you, yes. Do his actions show hostile intent, No.

That depends on the AO. In Ramadi, anyone observing with optics, talking on a cell phone, digging or carrying a weapon in the open constituted hostile intent in the ROE, allowing us to respond "accordingly".

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[akarunway 1]

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How so? with any weapon, Lethal or LTL there are rules to follow. You can't shoot it at someone standing on a street corner 300M away talking on a cell phone. Could he be studying you, yes. Do his actions show hostile intent, No.

That depends on the AO. In Ramadi, anyone observing with optics, talking on a cell phone, digging or carrying a weapon in the open constituted hostile intent in the ROE, allowing us to respond "accordingly".

Those are pretty broad Rules of Engagement. What if the poor bastard is digging a hole to bury his mother or daughter or god forbid talking to mom on his cell phone. And what is the definition of "accordingly"? Is is "is"?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[cloudseeker2001 0]

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I could easily see this becoming the the modern equivalent to the fire hoses of the civil rights movement. Imagine police quelling protests with this thing in the USA.

It will not be long and the police will be fighting among each other as to who gets to shoot first!

I wonder if some tin foil would defeat this? I'll bet it would.....

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[Gawain 0]

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How so? with any weapon, Lethal or LTL there are rules to follow. You can't shoot it at someone standing on a street corner 300M away talking on a cell phone. Could he be studying you, yes. Do his actions show hostile intent, No.

That depends on the AO. In Ramadi, anyone observing with optics, talking on a cell phone, digging or carrying a weapon in the open constituted hostile intent in the ROE, allowing us to respond "accordingly".

Those are pretty broad Rules of Engagement. What if the poor bastard is digging a hole to bury his mother or daughter or god forbid talking to mom on his cell phone. And what is the definition of "accordingly"? Is is "is"?

Grave yards were properly marked and IA would escort any funeral processions. People don't bury friends and family on the side of the street. As to the observers and cell phones, do a little research about some of the things we're fighting there and you'll understand. Half of anything that happens in Iraq, happens in Ramadi. As to "accordingly", hostile intent is usually responded to with deadly force.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[nathaniel 0]

Archimedes' death ray

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[dustin19d 0]

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How so? with any weapon, Lethal or LTL there are rules to follow. You can't shoot it at someone standing on a street corner 300M away talking on a cell phone. Could he be studying you, yes. Do his actions show hostile intent, No.

That depends on the AO. In Ramadi, anyone observing with optics, talking on a cell phone, digging or carrying a weapon in the open constituted hostile intent in the ROE, allowing us to respond "accordingly".

I know, I've been there(Ramadi). But things have changed.
On a side note everything we do is reactive and its pissing me off.

[StephZ 0]

Uhhh. . . guns good



Now please come home

I am not afraid . . . I was born to do this
-Joan of Arc-
But what do I know, I'm only 19

[BikerBabe 0]

This has been in development for several years.

I worked on it at the Air Force Research Lab in Albuquerque. I know a lot about this.

I was even a test subject when they first started testing this on people. You know when you open a hot oven and you get that blast of hot air? that's what this feels like, but hotter.

You could try to make a suit to prevent it, but it would have to be 100% absolutely seamless over your entire body. It just isn't practical, nor probable, that anyone, especially the intended targets of such a technology, could make a suit to block these waves.

Finally, this technology has a LONG range. longer than you'd think. The enemies/insurgents/crowds/whatever will NOT get close enough to these to take them out, especially if the operators are on top of things.

This has been in development for 10 years or so, gone through numerous static and live tests, operational usefulness assessments, etc. etc. It is basic human reflex to jump out of the way. You cannot stay in the beam. The longest any test subject stayed in the beam by sheer force of will was somewhere around 6-7 seconds. Most of the test subjects were my coworkers. None of us were burned, harmed, damaged, nothing. We had senators and 4-star generals volunteering to be test subjects, because this technology is so groundbreaking.

We also had protesters at the gates when news of this first broke. "It's cruel!" they yelled...but i ask, would you rather us shoot them instead? How many innocent lives could have already been saved had this technology been deployed sooner in iraq?

I for one can't wait to see it deployed, not just because i worked on it. Directed energy weapons, most of which are non-lethal, are going to revolutionize the way we fight wars in the future.

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[Skyrad 0]

Sounds like fun.....I want one I want I want one!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[champu 1]

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I could easily see this becoming the the modern equivalent to the fire hoses of the civil rights movement.

As an aside, a directed energy weapon such as this would actually be less likely to injure people when used in a riot situation than spraying a crowd with a water cannon. It would certainly make video taken of a crowd dispersal much less dramatic too. No crowds getting knocked down by water cannons, no tear gas clouds, no baton blows, just people running away from an antenna.

The question that remains is, would the absence of all the bad press footage associated with today's methods of dispersal likely extend the employment of such a device into situations that it oughtn't be used?

[narcimund 0]

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The question that remains is, would the absence of all the bad press footage associated with today's methods of dispersal likely extend the employment of such a device into situations that it oughtn't be used?

The answer seems likely to be yes. After all, that's exactly what happened with every single other weapon ever developed. So why not this one?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[billvon 2,989]

>You know when you open a hot oven and you get that blast of
> hot air? that's what this feels like, but hotter.

While I think the idea of non-lethal weapons is a good one, I wonder if burning sensations are sufficient to stop someone who is willing to blow themselves to bits to achieve their goals. Heck, some religious types intentionally cause themselves pain to 'purify' themselves - I could see this being billed as the ultimate penance before sacrificing oneself.

[BikerBabe 0]

Bill-

Trust me, you CANNOT stay in the beam. The only way i could remotely fathom anyone being able to ignore this would be if they were so drugged that they couldn't feel any pain whatsoever.

Your body thinks it is burning and reflexively does anything it can to get OUT of the way. The same reflex that causes you to jerk your hand away from something hot.

This has been tested on thousands of people (and animals before that) in hundreds of scenarios, and no one has EVER managed to stay in the beam for more than 6 seconds or so.

I suppose the person zealous enough to place their hand on a hot burner and leave it there could walk through this, but i HIGHLY doubt any of these people are that committed. Death is one thing. Ongoing pain is quite another and the fear of such is oftentimes more psychologically debilitating than fear of death.

Not to mention, if the beam didn't stop a bomber at the range the ADT works at, then there's always the back up plan. they get too close...sayanora.

One other thing to consider: it's highly probable that a hostile walking toward this thing then getting hit by it won't really know what's going on...confusion might cause them to stop or hesitate, as well.

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[ScottishJohn 25]

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Trust me, you CANNOT stay in the beam.

What if you can't get out of the way ?

What about a demonstration going down a narrow street. The people at the front could be getting fried and unable to get out of the way because the people behind are shielded and have no idea that the ray is being used or even worse people trampled to death as panic over takes the crowd.

John

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If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers

[Kennedy 0]

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What if you can't get out of the way ?

What about a demonstration going down a narrow street. The people at the front could be getting fried and unable to get out of the way because the people behind are shielded and have no idea that the ray is being used or even worse people trampled to death as panic over takes the crowd.

That's why you have to use it carefully, trust the SOPs/ROEs, and have a good written plan and training in place.

It's also why the use of chemical munitions on crowds (by police) is a very carefully orchestrated thing, regardless of what you see on TV.

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[Red_Skydiver 0]

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This has been in development for several years.

I worked on it at the Air Force Research Lab in Albuquerque. I know a lot about this.

I was even a test subject when they first started testing this on people. You know when you open a hot oven and you get that blast of hot air? that's what this feels like, but hotter.

You could try to make a suit to prevent it, but it would have to be 100% absolutely seamless over your entire body. It just isn't practical, nor probable, that anyone, especially the intended targets of such a technology, could make a suit to block these waves.

Finally, this technology has a LONG range. longer than you'd think. The enemies/insurgents/crowds/whatever will NOT get close enough to these to take them out, especially if the operators are on top of things.

This has been in development for 10 years or so, gone through numerous static and live tests, operational usefulness assessments, etc. etc. It is basic human reflex to jump out of the way. You cannot stay in the beam. The longest any test subject stayed in the beam by sheer force of will was somewhere around 6-7 seconds. Most of the test subjects were my coworkers. None of us were burned, harmed, damaged, nothing. We had senators and 4-star generals volunteering to be test subjects, because this technology is so groundbreaking.

We also had protesters at the gates when news of this first broke. "It's cruel!" they yelled...but i ask, would you rather us shoot them instead? How many innocent lives could have already been saved had this technology been deployed sooner in iraq?

I for one can't wait to see it deployed, not just because i worked on it. Directed energy weapons, most of which are non-lethal, are going to revolutionize the way we fight wars in the future.

Was this tested on experienced firefighters? Just curious to know if they reacted differently?

[Red_Skydiver 0]

how much energy does it consume? can be harnessed as a new source of energy for transport?

[warpedskydiver 0]

This would have No Effect on many friends of mine...they have been burning in hell, and or in hot water with their SO, for so long that they won't notice, in fact it will be like a jump into a frozen pond!!!

[bch7773 0]

they need to make a low powered one for jumping in cold weather. Imagine jumping in 10 deg F cold, and under canopy you get lit up by someone on the ground. suddenly its like you are jumping in florida!

MB 3528, RB 1182

[GQ_jumper 4]

The question that remains is, would the absence of all the bad press footage associated with today's methods of dispersal likely extend the employment of such a device into situations that it oughtn't be used?

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And that's the biggest issue with this, it is a wonderful piece of equipment with tons of potential, but as soon as it starts getting publicity and the public sees us doing things without using lethal force they will demand it all the time. And when it comes time to throw down and kill people there will be an outcry over why we didn't use this. it's like people criticizing a soldier killing someone who was attacking them with a weapon other than a firearm, they weren't their so people are going to say why didn't you use non lethal force and call the soldier trigger happy. This is a double edged sword

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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[nathaniel 0]

Two months later in Parachutist:

Jumper was forced to initiate emergency procedures when a heating device was miscalibrated, melting his canopy and his lines. The jumper cutaway the main and deployed the reserve. The jumper was treated for second degree burns when he landed, and is expected to make a full recovery.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?