Homophobic Christian Rock

[sundevil777 102]

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You have left out certain parts of the world, such as the Arab world. I guess the homosexuals of the Arab world cannot look to the advocacy groups of the free world for any support. Perhaps you think the Arab world is "minor" as you say, not deserving of any concern.

Do you at least acknowledge that they are routinely killed there, with full knowledge of the authorities? I would think that is much more important than marriage rights.

Since I don't live in those places, and since I believe the news that filters down to me is horribly twisted by people with axes to grind, I believe that I know next to nothing about the arab world.

However, it's entirely possible you're right. If so, that really sucks for them.

Why again did you bring up this non-sequitur?

It appears to me that not only do you know next to nothing about how the Arab world treats homosexuals, but that you don't want to know.

Geez, you'd think that this was the first thread where the scope of the issue was expanded to make an interesting point. At first I doubted that the guy singing the song was serious. I now realize that he was. I suppose that was my fault for not wanting to believe it was for real. So, I acknowledge the hate that parts of the Christian community can throw your way. I thought it worthy of discussion to bring up what appears to be violent/lethal persecution that is officially condoned by governments.

Perhaps you're right, it is just misinformation from people with an axe to grind. I thought it would be more important to you than to just say, "it sucks for them." I would think that you would want to know whether the news is indeed, "horribly twisted", or if it is true.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[narcimund 0]

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Perhaps you're right, it is just misinformation from people with an axe to grind. I thought it would be more important to you than to just say, "it sucks for them." I would think that you would want to know whether the news is indeed, "horribly twisted", or if it is true.

I didn't claim this is misinformation -- just that I GENERALLY suspect everything that I hear in the news. I'm a skeptic, not a dogmatic disbeliever.

And I wouldn't say that I don't want to know -- I'm just not all keyed up to get reflexively excited about it. I don't spend my days worrying about them but I suppose I could find their plight interesting if I pondered it a lot. I doubt I'd identify much with them though.

To be fair, I don't identify with the homosexuals in the gay bars across town either.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[sundevil777 102]

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Also, I'd still like to hear your thoughts on why I shouldn't consider you to be a conservativephobe.

I'm not a conservativephobe. What I am is a hypocritophobe. I'm an idiotophobe. I'm a bigotophobe.

Why has this conversation turned to my personality?

I would also like to stake a claim to the 'phobias that you mention.

However, my memory of previous threads is that those that don't support gay marriage, for example, are labeled homophobes - thereby "turning the converstaion to their personality". I stand by my assertion that to use it based on a person's position on this issue is very wrong and intentionally misleading in order to cause an emotional reaction against the 'phobe.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[narcimund 0]

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However, my memory of previous threads is that those that don't support gay marriage, for example, are labeled homophobes

I won't speak to any specific threads or comments, but overall I'd say if someone called another poster a homophobe, it might be as a slightly more specific and polite alternative to calling them a bigot.

I suspect most people who argue against gay marriage (how exactly did we get on this topic??) would object to being called either one, but then again how many bigots like that word?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[sundevil777 102]

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However, my memory of previous threads is that those that don't support gay marriage, for example, are labeled homophobes

I won't speak to any specific threads or comments, but overall I'd say if someone called another poster a homophobe, it might be as a slightly more specific and polite alternative to calling them a bigot.

I suspect most people who argue against gay marriage (how exactly did we get on this topic??) would object to being called either one, but then again how many bigots like that word?

It doesn't have to be a member in this forum that gets labeled a 'phobe/bigot, the label is also applied to those outside of this website.

How did we get on this topic? What, you've never encountered thread drift before? . You seem to imply that not supporting gay marriage would make a person deserving of the bigot label, is that correct? If yes, then you're calling me a bigot - doing it indirectly, but doing it still. In previous threads I've explained why I think this position is not reasonable. We can go over that again, but that would be more thread drift.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 2,989]

>It appears to me that not only do you know next to nothing
>about how the Arab world treats homosexuals . . . .

I think the attitude of "what we're doing is OK because what some other people are doing is worse" is something of a dishonest one. "We can torture people a little; heck, that's NOTHING compared to what Saddam did." "We can require government support of crosses on hilltops; that's minor compared to Mecca." "We can have lots more taxes; they will still be less than Sweden's."

I prefer to do what I think is right, not just be slightly less bad than the worst. But that's just me.

[jakee 1,489]

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I prefer to do what I think is right, not just be slightly less bad than the worst. But that's just me.

Hey, don't be so pessimistic, it's not just you.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[sundevil777 102]

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>It appears to me that not only do you know next to nothing
>about how the Arab world treats homosexuals . . . .

I think the attitude of "what we're doing is OK because what some other people are doing is worse" is something of a dishonest one. "We can torture people a little; heck, that's NOTHING compared to what Saddam did." "We can require government support of crosses on hilltops; that's minor compared to Mecca." "We can have lots more taxes; they will still be less than Sweden's."

I prefer to do what I think is right, not just be slightly less bad than the worst. But that's just me.

When herds of Bush haters spew rhetoric about how he is worse than Saddam, then I think it is appropriate to compare the degree of torture, for instance.

Your mention of the 'taxes not as bad as Sweden's' comparison is funny, that is almost exactly what I've heard socialist leaning libs say for many years to support their desire for higher taxes. I gotta give you credit for bringing up a socialist talking point, sometimes you are fair and balanced.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 2,989]

>then I think it is appropriate to compare the degree of torture, for instance.

I think it's sad that we have sunk so low that you would think the US is merely a more humane torturer than Saddam Hussein was. Used to be that we stood against torture, rather than standing for the approved methods.

[narcimund 0]

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rather than standing for the approved methods.

Keep in mind the US doesn't say what the approved methods are -- it's a secret. There's actually no reason to believe the US is more humane.

The citizens feel in their hearts their government is good and wholesome. It's a faith-based system.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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that's only like 12 people

And he's just one, which is less than twelve. so what's your point, if one is less than twelve, could he not be one OF twelve ? Or perhaps he just identifies with them, but is smart enough not to be on their books as a member.

Anyway, I don't think it's a parody, I think the guy's dead serious. Which is too bad.

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[ExAFO 0]

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that's only like 12 people

Having lived in KS, I can sadly inform you it's more like 110 people...

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.