Zipp0 1 #1 January 26, 2007 This guy thinks he is accountable to nobody. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #2 January 26, 2007 Well, he is unaccountable isn't he? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #3 January 26, 2007 QuoteThis guy thinks he is accountable to nobody. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush Is that like "The Decider"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #4 January 26, 2007 The good news there is that there isn't much question over who is responsible for the outcome of the war. Perhaps this will put an end to the "but Kerry and his buddies are really responsible for starting the war!" claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #5 January 26, 2007 QuoteThe good news there is that there isn't much question over who is responsible for the outcome of the war. Perhaps this will put an end to the "but Kerry and his buddies are really responsible for starting the war!" claims. Funny how what people say gets frequently twisted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #6 January 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis guy thinks he is accountable to nobody. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush Is that like "The Decider"? It's exactly like that. And he insists on telling us that he is in charge at every opportunity. He's like an impotent daddy at the dinner table yelling at his family "I am in charge here!" -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 January 26, 2007 I wonder how that is going to play when GeorgieBoy stands in from of the REAL Decider on Judgement Day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #8 January 26, 2007 QuoteThe good news there is that there isn't much question over who is responsible for the outcome of the war. Perhaps this will put an end to the "but Kerry and his buddies are really responsible for starting the war!" claims. Right. Bush proponents love to point the finger at Congress for giving him *permission* to go in there, but now think their opinion is meaningless, as it's Bush's call. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #9 January 26, 2007 QuoteI wonder how that is going to play when GeorgieBoy stands in from of the REAL Decider on Judgement Day. According to many christians, as long as he says "I'm sorry" at the last possible second, he'll be fine. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #10 January 26, 2007 Actually, for once I agree with him on this: Quote"I know there is skepticism and pessimism and that some are condemning a plan before it's even had a chance to work," the president said. "They have an obligation and a serious responsibility therefore to put up their own plan as to what would work." I'm tired of the politicing around the war. Those in disagreement with Bush are being just as destructive to the lives of the troops by not submitting a solid plan of their own. Put up or shut up._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #11 January 26, 2007 >Those in disagreement with Bush are being just as destructive to the >lives of the troops by not submitting a solid plan of their own. They have, literally dozens of times. The cycle usually goes like this: Pro-war guy: Why the hell don't the Bush-bashers come up with a plan instead of just complaining all the time? Exit-soon guy: Here's one. Pull troops into Badghdad etc etc. Pro-war guy: That won't work! (pause, not to exceed 2 weeks) Pro-war guy: Why the hell don't the Bush-bashers come up with a plan instead of just complaining all the time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 January 26, 2007 He's ability to spell is really shite... what he meant was .... I'm a Derision maker (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #13 January 26, 2007 Quote>Those in disagreement with Bush are being just as destructive to the >lives of the troops by not submitting a solid plan of their own. They have, literally dozens of times. The cycle usually goes like this: Pro-war guy: Why the hell don't the Bush-bashers come up with a plan instead of just complaining all the time? Exit-soon guy: Here's one. Pull troops into Badghdad etc etc. Pro-war guy: That won't work! (pause, not to exceed 2 weeks) Pro-war guy: Why the hell don't the Bush-bashers come up with a plan instead of just complaining all the time? Outside of maybe McCain, I haven't seen any politicians come up with something solid. I'm a big fan of Obama but what has he offered other than "we must get troops out and I will not support Bush's new (first?) plan to end the conflict. I have heard former DoD folk offer stuff to the media, but I have yet to see anyone inside DC offer a fully documented plan. Then again, I don't know if the Bush plan isn't anything more than his "21,500" troops speech. IN fact: QuoteThe president met with Army Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, newly confirmed by the Senate to command U.S. troops in Iraq. "My instruction to him was `Get over to the zone as quickly as possible, and implement a plan that will achieve our goals,'" Bush said. Soooo, all this plan talk is a bunch of bullshit hot-air from both sides.... I need to try that on my next RFP and see how well it works._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 January 26, 2007 QuoteI wonder how that is going to play when GeorgieBoy stands in from of the REAL Decider on Judgement Day. Elvis? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #15 January 26, 2007 > I haven't seen any politicians come up with something solid. Here are three from the past few months. Joe Biden's recent plan: -------------- The plan would maintain a unified Iraq by decentralizing it and giving Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis breathing room in their own regions - as provided for in the Iraqi constitution. The central government would be responsible for common interests, like border security and the distribution of oil revenues. We would secure support from the Sunnis - who have no oil -- by guaranteeing them a proportionate share (about 20 percent) of oil revenues. We would increase economic aid, ask the oil-rich Arab Gulf states to fund it and tie all assistance to the protection of minority rights and the creation of a jobs program. We would convene a regional conference to enlist the support of Iraq's neighbors and create a Contact Group of the major powers to enforce their commitments. And we would ask our military to draw up plans to responsibly withdraw most U.S. forces from Iraq by the end of 2007 - enough time for the political settlement to take hold. The course we're on has no end in sight. This plan can allow us to achieve the two objectives most American share: to leave Iraq without leaving chaos behind. I hope you will take the time to read the plan and endorse it by adding your email address to our list of supporters. --------------- Summary of Reid's september plan: ------------- We propose a new direction, which would include: (1) transitioning the U.S. mission in Iraq to counter-terrorism, training, logistics and force protection; (2) beginning the phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq before the end of this year; (3) working with Iraqi leaders to disarm the militias and to develop a broad-based and sustainable political settlement, including amending the Constitution to achieve a fair sharing of power and resources; and (4) convening an international conference and contact group to support a political settlement in Iraq, to preserve Iraq's sovereignty, and to revitalize the stalled economic reconstruction and rebuilding effort. --------------- Summary of ISG plan (December): -Diplomacy to generate external support for peace in Iraq -Deal with Israeli conflict -Turn power over to Iraqis and begin withdrawing troops -All combat troops out by 2008 -Concentrate on training Iraqis -Improve: - Iraqi criminal justice system - Iraqi oil sector - U.S. reconstruction efforts in Iraq - training of U.S. government personnel in Iraq - U.S. intelligence capabilities http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6586565 ----------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #16 January 26, 2007 Georgieboy is going to be causing a bit of a queue explaining himself. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #17 January 26, 2007 Now begins the 2 week delay before the next pro-war person starts in with "so how come none of these defeatocrats have any PLANS?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 January 26, 2007 Quote>Those in disagreement with Bush are being just as destructive to the >lives of the troops by not submitting a solid plan of their own. They have, literally dozens of times. The cycle usually goes like this: Pro-war guy: Why the hell don't the Bush-bashers come up with a plan instead of just complaining all the time? Exit-soon guy: Here's one. Pull troops into Badghdad etc etc. Have you switched to an exit soon stance, Bill? I know you were with my mother and others that believe we are obligated to get Iraq to some sort of happy place before abandoning ship. my solid plan is summed up nicely by the cut and run tag. (cut n run two years ago would have been best) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #19 January 27, 2007 >Have you switched to an exit soon stance, Bill? In my ideal world, we pull most of our troops into Baghdad and make the whole city a "green zone." Then we take the balance and send them to Afghanistan to stop the spring Taliban offensive. Result: Kurdistan is fine; they can take care of themselves. The Sunni Triangle does whatever it wants. Syria and Iran send troops in to try to get more land; fine. Let them deal with the civil war. We get our democracy in the Middle East that PNAC called for, although it's smaller than we originally planned. This also gives the pro-war types their "victory" - we can surely pacify Bagdhad with the troops we currently have throughout the country. We've been hearing about how the Iraqis are doing great, raising their own armies, running their own cities etc for three years now. Time to start calling people on that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 January 27, 2007 QuoteThis guy thinks he is accountable to nobody. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush Piss poor interpitation..."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluesidedown 0 #21 January 27, 2007 Wait! I think we've seen stuff like this before! Mostly East of Greenwich... What did we call it then? Um... Uh.... It's on the tip of my tounge... Oh right... "Dictatorship"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #22 January 27, 2007 A real leader should take the concensus view of the people he leads, and represent that view. This president acts as though he had been given, "the keys to the country"... and so it is his job to 'do whatever HE wants'...... he was given no such privilege.. our system does not work that way... he and ALL elected officials, are bound to serve at the will of the constituents... only an arrogant imbecile whould jump to the conclusion,,,,,, that "it's all up to me"... I guess he means well,,,, but should recognize that more people did NOt vote for him,,, than did.... and THAT was just among the numbers of those who WENT to the polls.... factor in all the other apathic "citizens" who voiced their displeasure about All candidates by not even visiting a polling place,,, and his presumed "grass roots support",,,, is just another figment of his own imagination... A leader should listen to the populace,,,winnow out the basics of how THEY are feeling, and then represent that populace position, whether that said leader is in favor of the position or Not.... THAT is a democracy, isn't it???? Seems to me that the only difference between george and this guy Hussien,,, is that hussien killed the enemies in his own country and Bush is killing ( or maybe creating) enemies in some foreign land....... What good is a self proclaimed 'decision maker',,,, when most of the decisions are BAD ones????? jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #23 January 27, 2007 Quotehe was given no such privilege.. our system does not work that way... Actually, that's EXACTLY how the american system works. Parlimentary systems work differently. Perhaps you wish the american system was parlimentary. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #24 January 27, 2007 hahaha maybe so.. guess i was absent that day in social studies class.... a democracy is like a kingship??? Doesn't the house of representatives and the senate gather the public opinion from the local levels and filter it on up to the executive branch.....? parlimentary ? democracy? i think I want whatever functions in the best interest of the ciitizens, from whose efforts (taxes) the whole system is supported........Militarily, financially, spiritually, and physically..... if the systems at play in the world today are Not working..... time to consider something else....... problem is......... what else??? any ideas??? jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 January 27, 2007 Google "representative republic". Is it a perfect gov't system? Nope - but nothing better has been found yet. While a wise politician SHOULD take the will of the populace into account before deciding on a course of action, they are not CONSTRAINED to do so.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
