kallend 2,026 #151 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe the reason my post rang true for Michele had to do with the tone and content of my post. Maybe that's the same reason your's didn't. Tone and Content. Bingo. As for politics being relevant to basic chemistry, it's not. I don't know enough Chemistry to understand the political ramifications of X or Y, and neither do those in my class. This is NOT a class wherein politics mixes well...perhaps in some of the upper level chem it would be appropriate, but basic chem in 5 weeks doesn't lend itself well to political discussions within the context of the classroom at this level. Ciels- Michele I guess I'm not happy with this. I **assume** that Chemistry is a "general education" requirement at your college, and as such it is there to assure that college graduates have a level of basic education sufficient to be well informed citizens regardless of their actual major. Since chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. ???? When did Chemistry QUIT being a hard science and become a social sciences course??? Looks like "The Rape of Alma Mater" is completed... Well, if you could just READ what I wrote (for a change), I was discussing a "GenEd" requirement, not chemistry for chemistry majors. In order for ANY undergraduate program to be accreditable, it must have a general education component. The universities and colleges have no option if they want to be accredited. The purpose of GenEds is NOT the same as the purpose of major courses. I'm surprised that you are ignorant of this. No, on reflection, I'm not surprised at all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #152 January 30, 2007 Yesterday I read the following. It really rang true. QuoteExcerpted from The Rape of Alma Mater by Wells Earl Draughon. "You know," Kristy said. "I’d like to write a book about all of this. I’ve been piling up notes for years." "It would never be read," Pam said. "Whenever a book is published that criticizes them or even questions what they’re doing, the Transformationists send in hundreds of their student storm troops to condemn it on the Internet. So, nobody buys the book, and nobody knows that the `reviews’ they read were all a lie. And the twist is, the students don’t even bother to read the book before they say all those bad things about it." "Why don’t you write it anyway?" Ray said. "I hope you’ll say what fascists these people are," Sue said. "Their thinking is anti-democratic," Cecil said, "but I’m not sure `fascist’ is the right word for them." "Most of them, their hearts are in the right place," Ray said. "You have to be fair," Pam said. "We don’t need another biased, conservative attack on education." "They’ll call it conservative and right-wing, whatever I do," Kristy said. "I know," Pam said, "but there’s nothing you can do about that." "Some of them really believe what they’re saying," Cecil said. "They all believe it now," Ray said. "They’ve been converted by their own propaganda." "What should I call my book?" Kristy mused. "The Betrayal of the Movement," Ray said. "The Age of Doublethink," David said. "The Laundering of the Human Spirit," Cecil said. "No," Kristy said, "no, I think I’ll just call it Alma Mater." Pam nodded thoughtfully. "Nourishing Mother. I like it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #153 January 30, 2007 QuoteI think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. As a poster I have some respect for notes often - "rubbish" I think this is a flaw philosophy for profs - "it is there to assure that college graduates have a level of basic education sufficient to be well informed citizens" How about just teaching the subjects instead? If it's that important, then the school should have "citizen classes" as a prerequisite. But, OH MY, that would be a bit too close to "indoctrination", wouldn't it. And then, wouldn't the UPROAR be deafening when the government has to invoke 'standards' for the class. I really don't see where chemistry or math(s) teachers get off thinking they are qualified to teach the students how to be "good citizens". ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #154 January 30, 2007 QuoteSo, there was a decidedly toned down Professor tonight...after the exam (which was decidedly tough!), he taught us how to pronouce nuclear correctly, and then proceeded to teach us how to make a suitcase nuke (who knew they were that easy??), fusion, fission, the different, the reasons for; went over E=MC2, and had us calculate a bunch of things in 14Carbon (and agreed that 14C was not useful in some circumstances...) and then dismissed the class. Sounds like your Prof watches 24. The suitcase nuke is the weapon of the season, and Kiefer Sutherland (as well as GWB) is notorious for mis-pronouncing the word Nuclear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #155 January 30, 2007 QuoteI guess I'm not happy with this. I **assume** that Chemistry is a "general education" requirement at your college, and as such it is there to assure that college graduates have a level of basic education sufficient to be well informed citizens regardless of their actual major. Since chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. So... a very one-sided rant about how the 2000 election was stolen is relevant to Intro to Chemistry? Perhaps you can find me a course syllabus for Chem 101 that states Poly-Sci topics are part of the curriculum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #156 January 30, 2007 QuoteWell, if you could just READ what I wrote (for a change), I was discussing a "GenEd" requirement, not chemistry for chemistry majors. In order for ANY undergraduate program to be accreditable, it must have a general education component. The universities and colleges have no option if they want to be accredited. The purpose of GenEds is NOT the same as the purpose of major courses. I'm surprised that you are ignorant of this. No, on reflection, I'm not surprised at all. While a GenEd course may serve a different purpose, I'm not aware of any situations where the course description states "Professor may occassionally offer in-your-face, one-sided political diatribes that are irrelevant to subject of study". Silly me. I never knew higher education was about indoctrination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #157 January 30, 2007 QuoteIn order for ANY undergraduate program to be accreditable, it must have a general education component. The universities and colleges have no option if they want to be accredited. The purpose of GenEds is NOT the same as the purpose of major courses. I'm surprised that you are ignorant of this. No, on reflection, I'm not surprised at all. General Education - you mean like some basic coursework in math, physics, economics, psychology and chemistry? I think it's odd that a professor of hard sciences doesn't consider something like chemistry to be of enough value (all by its little lonesome), that it would only be considered good enough as a single topic in a curriculum of basic general education only if we dice in the personal political views of the professors..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #158 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteIn order for ANY undergraduate program to be accreditable, it must have a general education component. The universities and colleges have no option if they want to be accredited. The purpose of GenEds is NOT the same as the purpose of major courses. I'm surprised that you are ignorant of this. No, on reflection, I'm not surprised at all. General Education - you mean like some basic coursework in math, physics, economics, psychology and chemistry? I think it's odd that a professor of hard sciences doesn't consider something like chemistry to be of enough value (all by its little lonesome), that it would only be considered good enough as a single topic in a curriculum of basic general education only if we dice in the personal political views of the professors..... Before you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, I suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #159 January 30, 2007 Quote Silly me. . Ignorant, rather than silly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #160 January 30, 2007 Solution: if the professor is allergic to cats, bring all of your herd w/you to class. Have him try to hold onto Penguin. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #161 January 30, 2007 Quotepurpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. no deal, you are the resident expert how about cutting and pasting the part that says the assessor then has to see evidence that professors in Gen Ed hard science requirements must demonstrate the ability to highlight subjective and personal political commentary into their lectures and course assignments that's the only point I'd like to see thanks in advance ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #162 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI guess I'm not happy with this. I **assume** that Chemistry is a "general education" requirement at your college, and as such it is there to assure that college graduates have a level of basic education sufficient to be well informed citizens regardless of their actual major. Since chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. ???? When did Chemistry QUIT being a hard science and become a social sciences course??? Looks like "The Rape of Alma Mater" is completed... Well, if you could just READ what I wrote (for a change), I was discussing a "GenEd" requirement, not chemistry for chemistry majors. In order for ANY undergraduate program to be accreditable, it must have a general education component. The universities and colleges have no option if they want to be accredited. The purpose of GenEds is NOT the same as the purpose of major courses. I'm surprised that you are ignorant of this. No, on reflection, I'm not surprised at all. You seem to be saying that it is appropriate for professors to force feed their students on matters unrelated to the course curriculum. QuoteI think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. Please enlighten us on how the 2000 election drama is relevant to the subject matter in "Chemistry for Dummies". I'm really interested in reading why you think this kind of behavior is completely approrpiate. My gut tells me you think this is some sort of entitlement. Am I wrong? Educate the masses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #163 January 30, 2007 QuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #164 January 30, 2007 It is now time to discuss: "Marzipan."Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #165 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Please enlighten us on how the 2000 election drama is relevant to the subject matter in "Chemistry for Dummies". I'm really interested in reading why you think this kind of behavior is completely approrpiate. My gut tells me you think this is some sort of entitlement. Am I wrong? Educate the masses. If you'll show me where I wrote that, I'd be quite interested to see what I wrote since I don't recall being drunk. Of course, it could be that I didn't write that and you are making it up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #166 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #167 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Please enlighten us on how the 2000 election drama is relevant to the subject matter in "Chemistry for Dummies". I'm really interested in reading why you think this kind of behavior is completely approrpiate. My gut tells me you think this is some sort of entitlement. Am I wrong? Educate the masses. If you'll show me where I wrote that, I'd be quite interested to see what I wrote since I don't recall being drunk. Of course, it could be that I didn't write that and you are making it up. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. Or were you talking about something completely unrelated to the points being discussed in this thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #168 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #169 January 30, 2007 QuoteYou could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. I'd be surprised if they could do that. My primary amusement in Speakers Corner is watching the extreme Bush apologists make stuff up and attribute it to me. It goes on and on and on and on... First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #170 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #171 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. I'd be surprised if they could do that. My primary amusement in Speakers Corner is watching the extreme Bush apologists make stuff up and attribute it to me. It goes on and on and on and on... Hey Chester, Wassup??? How about some examples to support your claim? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #172 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time? What part of this whole thread did you fail to comprehend, this time? Did you think Michele's comments were about non-specific generalities? DURRR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #173 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time? What part of this whole thread did you fail to comprehend, this time? Did you think Michele's comments were about non-specific generalities? DURRR My comments were about a specific post concerning the appropriateness of any political discussion in a Chem class. It was clear to anyone with the slightest comprehension of the English language, which apparently does not include you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #174 January 30, 2007 Kallend, I'd really rather not get this thread locked. Suffice it to say that you have both stated that it's not appropriate to make specific political views known in the course I'm taking (somewhere in the first 30 post...iirc), and also that there are some instances where you believe that political commentary is appropriate. I hold a different view, especially in regards to this specific course, and the comments made specifically. I can't fathom a way that the 2000 election had any thing to do with the basic chemistry I'm currently taking; if you can explain that, I'd appreciate it. In re: general political commentary, yes, there are some comments that are appropriate; I've discussed GW (global warming) and stem cell research with two professors; the difference being that it was in the bio department. I would not expect my poli sci prof to comment on my math class's pertinence, and unless I was in economics, I wouldn't expect any political commentary from the maths professor on politics. Funnily enough, they didn't. In any event, there is no correlation between the 2000 election and Chemistry for Dummies... C'mon, Kallend, stop with the PAs. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites willard 0 #175 January 30, 2007 Judging from the class hours you posted, I am surprised your prof would waste valuable class time with political discussions. Five weeks, even at 25 hours per, isn't much time to cover all the subject matter. For those who aren't familiar with course requirements at colleges and universities, a substantial part of the first two years of a four year degree is spent in classes to fulfill GenEd, often called GEC, classes. These cover such subjects as english, basic math, history, sociology, the arts, science, etc. Most of these offer more than one option for completion and these options can depend on the particular major the student intends to study. For example, I am an engineering major. My required courses include three quarters of physics, three of chem, and more math than I care to remember. I still had to fulfill a GEC requirement for an earth science but it could not be one that was specifically required for my major so I chose Geology 101, otherwise known as "Rocks for Jocks", and Intro to Physical Anthropology. They were interesting topics, easy enough to take along with 18-20 hrs of other classes and, most importantly, they fell into timeslots I had available in my schedule. 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kallend 2,026 #166 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #167 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Please enlighten us on how the 2000 election drama is relevant to the subject matter in "Chemistry for Dummies". I'm really interested in reading why you think this kind of behavior is completely approrpiate. My gut tells me you think this is some sort of entitlement. Am I wrong? Educate the masses. If you'll show me where I wrote that, I'd be quite interested to see what I wrote since I don't recall being drunk. Of course, it could be that I didn't write that and you are making it up. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. Or were you talking about something completely unrelated to the points being discussed in this thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #168 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #169 January 30, 2007 QuoteYou could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. I'd be surprised if they could do that. My primary amusement in Speakers Corner is watching the extreme Bush apologists make stuff up and attribute it to me. It goes on and on and on and on... First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #170 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #171 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. I'd be surprised if they could do that. My primary amusement in Speakers Corner is watching the extreme Bush apologists make stuff up and attribute it to me. It goes on and on and on and on... Hey Chester, Wassup??? How about some examples to support your claim? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #172 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time? What part of this whole thread did you fail to comprehend, this time? Did you think Michele's comments were about non-specific generalities? DURRR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #173 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time? What part of this whole thread did you fail to comprehend, this time? Did you think Michele's comments were about non-specific generalities? DURRR My comments were about a specific post concerning the appropriateness of any political discussion in a Chem class. It was clear to anyone with the slightest comprehension of the English language, which apparently does not include you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #174 January 30, 2007 Kallend, I'd really rather not get this thread locked. Suffice it to say that you have both stated that it's not appropriate to make specific political views known in the course I'm taking (somewhere in the first 30 post...iirc), and also that there are some instances where you believe that political commentary is appropriate. I hold a different view, especially in regards to this specific course, and the comments made specifically. I can't fathom a way that the 2000 election had any thing to do with the basic chemistry I'm currently taking; if you can explain that, I'd appreciate it. In re: general political commentary, yes, there are some comments that are appropriate; I've discussed GW (global warming) and stem cell research with two professors; the difference being that it was in the bio department. I would not expect my poli sci prof to comment on my math class's pertinence, and unless I was in economics, I wouldn't expect any political commentary from the maths professor on politics. Funnily enough, they didn't. In any event, there is no correlation between the 2000 election and Chemistry for Dummies... C'mon, Kallend, stop with the PAs. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites willard 0 #175 January 30, 2007 Judging from the class hours you posted, I am surprised your prof would waste valuable class time with political discussions. Five weeks, even at 25 hours per, isn't much time to cover all the subject matter. For those who aren't familiar with course requirements at colleges and universities, a substantial part of the first two years of a four year degree is spent in classes to fulfill GenEd, often called GEC, classes. These cover such subjects as english, basic math, history, sociology, the arts, science, etc. Most of these offer more than one option for completion and these options can depend on the particular major the student intends to study. For example, I am an engineering major. My required courses include three quarters of physics, three of chem, and more math than I care to remember. I still had to fulfill a GEC requirement for an earth science but it could not be one that was specifically required for my major so I chose Geology 101, otherwise known as "Rocks for Jocks", and Intro to Physical Anthropology. They were interesting topics, easy enough to take along with 18-20 hrs of other classes and, most importantly, they fell into timeslots I had available in my schedule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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NCclimber 0 #168 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #169 January 30, 2007 QuoteYou could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. I'd be surprised if they could do that. My primary amusement in Speakers Corner is watching the extreme Bush apologists make stuff up and attribute it to me. It goes on and on and on and on... First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #170 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #171 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. I'd be surprised if they could do that. My primary amusement in Speakers Corner is watching the extreme Bush apologists make stuff up and attribute it to me. It goes on and on and on and on... Hey Chester, Wassup??? How about some examples to support your claim? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #172 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time? What part of this whole thread did you fail to comprehend, this time? Did you think Michele's comments were about non-specific generalities? DURRR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #173 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBefore you guys make more complete asses of yourselves on a subject on which you apparently know nothing, Why so testy? QuoteI suggest you educate yourselves on accreditation criteria for colleges and universities in the USA and the purpose and assessment of the (mandatory) gened programs. Please tell us about the part detailing how professors can/should offer political opinions, unrelated to the stated course material. You could always try reading what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up and attributing it to me. QuoteSince chemistry is SO central to many political decisions right now, I think that some political considerations in which chemistry plays a part ought to be involved even in an intro course. What part of the highlighted text did you fail to comprehend this time? What part of this whole thread did you fail to comprehend, this time? Did you think Michele's comments were about non-specific generalities? DURRR My comments were about a specific post concerning the appropriateness of any political discussion in a Chem class. It was clear to anyone with the slightest comprehension of the English language, which apparently does not include you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #174 January 30, 2007 Kallend, I'd really rather not get this thread locked. Suffice it to say that you have both stated that it's not appropriate to make specific political views known in the course I'm taking (somewhere in the first 30 post...iirc), and also that there are some instances where you believe that political commentary is appropriate. I hold a different view, especially in regards to this specific course, and the comments made specifically. I can't fathom a way that the 2000 election had any thing to do with the basic chemistry I'm currently taking; if you can explain that, I'd appreciate it. In re: general political commentary, yes, there are some comments that are appropriate; I've discussed GW (global warming) and stem cell research with two professors; the difference being that it was in the bio department. I would not expect my poli sci prof to comment on my math class's pertinence, and unless I was in economics, I wouldn't expect any political commentary from the maths professor on politics. Funnily enough, they didn't. In any event, there is no correlation between the 2000 election and Chemistry for Dummies... C'mon, Kallend, stop with the PAs. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #175 January 30, 2007 Judging from the class hours you posted, I am surprised your prof would waste valuable class time with political discussions. Five weeks, even at 25 hours per, isn't much time to cover all the subject matter. For those who aren't familiar with course requirements at colleges and universities, a substantial part of the first two years of a four year degree is spent in classes to fulfill GenEd, often called GEC, classes. These cover such subjects as english, basic math, history, sociology, the arts, science, etc. Most of these offer more than one option for completion and these options can depend on the particular major the student intends to study. For example, I am an engineering major. My required courses include three quarters of physics, three of chem, and more math than I care to remember. I still had to fulfill a GEC requirement for an earth science but it could not be one that was specifically required for my major so I chose Geology 101, otherwise known as "Rocks for Jocks", and Intro to Physical Anthropology. They were interesting topics, easy enough to take along with 18-20 hrs of other classes and, most importantly, they fell into timeslots I had available in my schedule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
