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Well, if I were. On crack. I would write. In sentence frangments.


I don't think that crack affects sentence structure as much as general thought processes.
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Well, if I were. On crack. I would write. In sentence frangments.


I don't think that crack affects sentence structure as much as general thought processes.



You are what you speak.
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When I want you to instruct me on how to write, I'll ask. Even Kallend, that puts me in pretty good company, thx. So I guess the more analytical the person, the more wordy? Sorry, didn’t realize it was too difficult, perhaps I'll write simple instructions next time.



You aren't like Johns Kallends brain....you are more like his dirty socks.:P

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"Brevity is the soul of wit"








Then again, some people just like to hear themselves talk.



NClimber: Revisionism is the art of deception.

But then some people like to win arguments regardless of the thruth. How does that go about checkng facts, the thing in your sig?

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So I guess the more analytical the person, the more wordy?



Nope, its not what you say, its what you quote. Quoting the entire post you're replying to and then quoting again the individual parts you are addressing is not only a complete waste of space, it makes your posts very difficult to break down.



That's fair. I don't it to annoy. See club, when people are reasonable like this you get change. ;)

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So I guess the more analytical the person, the more wordy?



Nope, its not what you say, its what you quote. Quoting the entire post you're replying to and then quoting again the individual parts you are addressing is not only a complete waste of space, it makes your posts very difficult to break down.



The empty can rattles the most.



Trust me my friend, I'm one of the furthest from empty, esp when compared to some of the membership here.

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So I guess the more analytical the person, the more wordy?



Nope, its not what you say, its what you quote. Quoting the entire post you're replying to and then quoting again the individual parts you are addressing is not only a complete waste of space, it makes your posts very difficult to break down.



It's a tactic in debating. If the other party isn't going to bother reading your posts, then hey can't argue back, and you win.



Right, that annoying reading stuff is so, well, annoying. Actually reading is overrated, I just like pictures.

Read your own post, it kinda brings you closer to Bush.

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When I want you to instruct me on how to write, I'll ask. Even Kallend, that puts me in pretty good company, thx. So I guess the more analytical the person, the more wordy? Sorry, didn’t realize it was too difficult, perhaps I'll write simple instructions next time.



You aren't like Johns Kallends brain....you are more like his dirty socks.:P



Never did I claim to be like him, just that it was good company.

As you bring us here, I would say you are like his dirty underwear.

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or, some would consider the books to be unnecessarily commentative and political when they really don't need to be



And you are an expert on the needs of textbooks in chemistry?

I'm sure you are familiar with this extract from the accreditation requirements for undergraduate programs in chemistry in the USA:

Within chemistry courses themselves, advantage should be taken at all levels of course sophistication to point out the connections between science and society.

I'm sure you are also well aware that these accreditation guidelines also require consideration of professional ethics.



You dork :P

see my note here http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2645889#2645889 you'll see I don't disagree with you

current events? fine
michelle's teacher's example? (he should consider his professional ethics)
excessive partisanship in texts rather than just current events? (the author should consider his professional ethics)

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Well, if I were. On crack. I would write. In sentence frangments.


I don't think that crack affects sentence structure as much as general thought processes.



In that case, your sentence should have read: I don't think that crack affects sentence structure as much as it affects general thought processes.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :|

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You're so wrong about me. .



"Lucky's approach" wasn't based on your on screen personality, it was based on the advice you gave to Michelle to just pretend to admit he was right and he'll likely favor her better.

nothing more,

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Trust me my friend, I'm one of the furthest from empty, esp when compared to some of the membership here.



Have you considered why there seems to be an across-the-board negative sentiment about your posting?



Sure, primarily the mob mentality. There are likely people who might want to either jump in on my behalf or at least jumo in to point out that this is a mob situation, but want to stay out of the fire.

All this does is to establish how cons stick together and libs don't, the points I've asserted long ago. Do you think for a moment that it bothers me? I actually kinda like it;)

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I agree with your OP but given:

"He's not a great teacher, a poor explainer and lacks patience with those of us who don't readily grasp the concept...but he's a nice guy, and not everyone can be both great teacher and good guy. I'm not blaming my less than A grade on him. Yet. He's relatively arrogant and pretty superior, but still, a nice dude nonetheless once you get past that. I thought we had, but boy was I wrong."

I would be more concerned about those things...assuming he has tenure, here could be a solid case for where the tenure concept really sucks.
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You're so wrong about me. .



"Lucky's approach" wasn't based on your on screen personality, it was based on the advice you gave to Michelle to just pretend to admit he was right and he'll likely favor her better.

nothing more,



Uh, if you want to be factually correct, nit sure you do, I did at a later point advise Michelle to even consider telling the teacher he is right to feed his ego, but what I first told her and what she apologized to is this:

Suck it up and apologize for the whole deal, he will upgrade you for it. Being 33 as I entered college, I was as old or older as some of my professors and a strategy with some was to develop an abrasive relationship with them and then improve upon it as the semester went on. Remember, all things are relative and going from a dislike to a kinda like is great distance, rather than going from a really like to a ????. Point is, you can’t go up from some relationships, meaning you can only go down. Don’t accept all blame, just a casual mention of how you wish it hadn’t happened and that you’re sorry for your part. Remember, you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. Right now he’s probably getting ready for war with you himself. He probably thinks you’re gonna be a whiny liberal and appeal a grade or make a general complaint to his department, so he may be aligning his guns too. Considering you have no evidence you will go in there looking like a whiny student pissed about your grade. If you are gonna complain on zero evidence, better do it before the test, or you will look like sour grapes hating your grade.

This is virtually the exact advice NClimber gave her as well as others. I did not tell her, at this piont, she should admit she was wrong, that came later. She poo-poo'd this advice and then later accepted NClimber's and praised him.

But people here just want to reference the latter advice not the initial advice, the advice that she ignored.

Point is, cons stick together.

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I agree with your OP but given:

"He's not a great teacher, a poor explainer and lacks patience with those of us who don't readily grasp the concept...but he's a nice guy, and not everyone can be both great teacher and good guy. I'm not blaming my less than A grade on him. Yet. He's relatively arrogant and pretty superior, but still, a nice dude nonetheless once you get past that. I thought we had, but boy was I wrong."

I would be more concerned about those things...assuming he has tenure, here could be a solid case for where the tenure concept really sucks.



Didn't she call me bipolar? Geez, He's a great guy when he's not being a total prick, other than that a saint, but a fucking asshole. THAT is bipolarity :o

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This is virtually the exact advice NClimber gave her as well as others. I did not tell her, at this piont, she should admit she was wrong, that came later. She poo-poo'd this advice and then later accepted NClimber's and praised him.

But people here just want to reference the latter advice not the initial advice, the advice that she ignored.

Point is, cons stick together.



The point you seem to miss is that before you offered that, you wrote about 100 lines of other stuff. The first several screen-fulls involved a general bashing of all things conservative, followed by an all-too-lengthy history of how you skillfully "played" the system.

And you wonder why she missed your one paragraph on offering an apology. :S:S:S

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Sure, primarily the mob mentality. There are likely people who might want to either jump in on my behalf or at least jumo in to point out that this is a mob situation, but want to stay out of the fire.



It has absolutely nothing to do with that. I would guess, that the majority of people get so annoyed by the string of posts you continously put up, that they start reposnding negatively to you.

Try this at your next family dinner: scream and yell in stead of talking at a normal level, but say what you would normally say. Your points during that conversation may be very valid, but I can almost guarantee you that all the feedback you'll recieve will be negative.

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I would be more concerned about those things...assuming he has tenure, here could be a solid case for where the tenure concept really sucks.



There IS an issue with the tenure process - in tenure decisions too much attention is given to research publications and funding, and only lip service is given to classroom performance and effective mentoring of graduate students. Now, at college level the students are expected to be capable of independent learning, so the instructor doesn't need to spoon-feed, but classroom performance is, IMO, underrated.
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I did at a later point advise Michelle to even consider telling the teacher he is right to feed his ego, .



that's the one I recall. I don't recall the other, it must have been buried in a string of 300 inch Lucky-style rapid posts

and I don't see how including your recommendation as one of 3 legitimate ways to deal with a situation has anything to do with cons sticking together or libs sticking together or pancakes sticking together - (deleted)

edit: Deleted the last bit above, I just read the other replies and you are getting enough crap from those right and left of the political line as well as those north and south of the mason dixon as well.

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Well, if I were. On crack. I would write. In sentence frangments.


I don't think that crack affects sentence structure as much as general thought processes.



In that case, your sentence should have read: I don't think that crack affects sentence structure as much as it affects general thought processes.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :|



See, and I'm not on crack....lol. Since crack doesn't screw up sentence structure so much, then it's really not an issue for either one of us, is it. It's thought processes that tend to be more affected by crack. That's what I said the first time though ;). I'm not sure about what happens to reading comprehension or to attention.

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