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England: Is there any real problems?

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So, we seem to be getting hit hard in SC recently.

Do we really have as many problems in this country as some of our foreign ethnocentric friends would like to have us believe?

Have you noticed locally gun crime soaring? People having their cars taken off them for petty offences etc.

I personally think its all shit. Our media is renowned for inaccurately making ridiculous allegations to stir the public up and get reactions and I believe people outside the country don't realise this and believe what they read. I call these people gullible.

In the UK we police by consent. The police do what the law abiding public want. Surveys said there was a disproportionate fear of crime and lack of communication in the community. What do you know, the big neighbourhood policing model was rolled out incorporating police officers, PCSOs, Special Constables, Community Wardens and local authorities. That issue is being addressed as we speak.

There isn't uproar about lack of firearms and people concerned about not being able to defend themselves, so nothing is done about it.

Its our country. Fuck off. World police you may like to be but you have no place commenting on cultures you don't understand

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Its our country. Fuck off. World police you may like to be but you have no place commenting on cultures you don't understand



Pot, talking to kettle? Or vice versa?

If people in England and other countries would live by this rule and quit taking the piss on the US (even though we often deserve it), there'd be less flak aimed at the collective you.

Can't have it both ways, son; can't rail on our love for firearms possession, for example, and not expect to have it flung back when the media talks about gun crime in your "gunless" society.

Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money.

Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them?

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You know this better than anyone - all that stuff is complete crap - mainly from people who want to perpetuate their own agenda.
There are real problems, but they are with things like - cost of living, taxation, overcrowding, public services, the NHS....
Actually forget te NHS - that apparently is much better. Tony said so :S

Edited to add: The gun arguments are particular unfounded bullshit because no-one had them before the ban. They purely don't figure in our culture and never really have.
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Edited to add: The gun arguments are particular unfounded bullshit because no-one had them before the ban. They purely don't figure in our culture and never really have.




I'd love to highlight your statement in neon lights and bash a few heads off it repeatedly. :)

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Why shouldn't they be? They created the greastest empire ever. Invented the greatest inventions ever. Provided the greatest innovations ever. Where does your American language originate from? Native Americans???

:S

And the vast, vast majority of us have no urge to arm ourselves.

Because we're hard as fuck.

Look at your history books.:)

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Our media is renowned for inaccurately making ridiculous allegations to stir the public up and get reactions and I believe people outside the country don't realise this and believe what they read. I call these people gullible.



Wouldn't the same thing apply then about what your media says about America? Are British citizens "gullible" for believing what British media says about America?

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Its our country. Fuck off. World police you may like to be but you have no place commenting on cultures you don't understand



I sense a double standard....

England is at the forefront of many social changes, being the first major western country to implement many new policies. That can be either good or bad. But either way, it makes England fair game for study and debate by others to see how those policies are working out, so that the rest of the world can decide whether to follow suit, or run the other way.

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Why shouldn't they be? They created the greastest empire ever. Invented the greatest inventions ever. Provided the greatest innovations ever. Where does your American language originate from? Native Americans???

:S

And the vast, vast majority of us have no urge to arm ourselves.

Because we're hard as fuck.

Look at your history books.:)



Did you mean to prove my point (which was made in jest btw ;)) or are you just slippin? :D
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The gun arguments are particular unfounded bullshit because no-one had them before the ban. They purely don't figure in our culture and never really have.



There were 1.5 million guns confiscated in 1997. The vote to ban the guns was 384-181 in favor, so fully one-third opposed it.

So obviously when you speak in such absolute terms that "no one had them", and that no one cared, then you are just flat wrong.

And the fact that you speak that way, flying in the face of public facts, ruins your credibility.

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And the vast, vast majority of us have no urge to arm ourselves.



4% of Brits owned guns prior to their confiscation in 1997. Do you believe that a majority has the right to deprive a minority of their property and sport, any time they feel like it, even when the minority is law-abiding and isn't bothering anybody?

That sounds like tyranny to me.

And another goofy thing about it was that you responded to one bad shooting, by punishing everyone else who didn't do it. That's nonsensical.

I'll bet the percentage of skydivers in England is even smaller than was the number of gun owners. Would you be okay if the vast, vast majority decided that your sport skydiving should be ruled illegal, for your own safety, and your parachute gear confiscated?

As for me, I prefer to have the freedom to choose to do "risky" things in which the vast majority isn't interested.

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Oh come off it. 1.5 million guns - there are somewhere in the region of 80 million people in the uk i think? WHats that - 2 percent of people assuming 1 gun to one person, which i highly doubt was the case?

If 2 per cent of people cared, that is not really significant in our culture.
As for "ruining my credibility" - maybe you should actually come here and speak to a load of people and see how few actually give a shit. I'd buy you a beer just for the hell of it!!

For the record, no i don't like the nanny state and ban everything culture we seem to have going on here which is why i am voting with my feet. But the gun argument for the reasons above is really a non starter and the only person here who seems to worrry about it is someone who doesn't even live here!
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Its our country. Fuck off. World police you may like to be but you have no place commenting on cultures you don't understand



Considering where a significant chunk of our culture comes from, I think this comment is particularly funny...:ph34r::D
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Edited to add: The gun arguments are particular unfounded bullshit because no-one had them before the ban. They purely don't figure in our culture and never really have.




I'd love to highlight your statement in neon lights and bash a few heads off it repeatedly. :)


So, we'll never see you posting in a gun thread about the US again, right?
Mike
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Why shouldn't they be? They created the greastest empire ever. Invented the greatest inventions ever. Provided the greatest innovations ever.



Edison, Einstein, Bell, Whitney, Fulton... next point?

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Where does your American language originate from? Native Americans???



It's a corrected version of what we carried over on the boats... unless you can tell me where the "R's" are in 'sandwich' and the first syllable of 'afternoon'... :P
Mike
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Why shouldn't they be? They created the greastest empire ever. Invented the greatest inventions ever. Provided the greatest innovations ever. Where does your American language originate from? Native Americans???

:S

And the vast, vast majority of us have no urge to arm ourselves.

Because we're hard as fuck.

Look at your history books.:)



Did you mean to prove my point (which was made in jest btw ;)) or are you just slippin? :D



Haha - all said in jest mate. It's actually something I like to wind up my wife with - seeing as she is foreign. I think recently she commented on how the Brit's are so conceited and as an example said;
"Why can't they drive on the right said of the road like everyone else!?"

"Why should we!!? We invented the roads!!"

;)

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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We've covered this ground before John, so I can't really be arsed going into the explanation of how difficult it is to kill people using your rig.

I think your statistic of 4% also included shotguns, which people can still own.

Not many people owned handguns even before the ban, because unless you were an enthuisiast there was really no need.................

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Hey, chill out mate - stop being so sensitive.:D Still, now your mentioning pronounciation (how can we be wrong? It's our language remember? English?) can you explain to me why for example some Americans replace o's with a's?

i.e. The Scottish family Robertson becomes 'The Scatch femilee Rabertsan.' :)

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Hey, chill out mate - stop being so sensitive.:D Still, now your mentioning pronounciation (how can we be wrong? It's our language remember? English?) can you explain to me why for example some Americans replace o's with a's?

i.e. The Scottish family Robertson becomes 'The Scatch femilee Rabertsan.' :)



Instead of "The Sc"oh"tish F'ah'mily R'oh'bertson"?? :P;):D It's not OUR problem y'all have vowel problems!! :D:D:D
Mike
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