kallend 2,026 #26 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuote So, given that the USAF gave GOP speaker Hastert a jet to fly non-stop to his district, why is it unreasonable to give Pelosi similar consideration? Is your objection because she's a woman, or because she's a Democrat? Because she's wanting something similar to a 747 rather than a g20, most likely... I thought it was a C32, not a 747. Does a G20 have the range for a non-stop E-W flight? The C-32A is a medium-sized twin-engine medium-to-long-range jetliner incorporating advanced technology for exceptional fuel efficiency, low noise levels, increased passenger comfort and top operating performance. . ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #27 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo, given that the USAF gave GOP speaker Hastert a jet to fly non-stop to his district, why is it unreasonable to give Pelosi similar consideration? QuoteSpeaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois used a small aircraft with 12 seats and five crew members. Pelosi is demanding the Pentagon provide her with a fancy jet that includes 42 business class seats, a fully-enclosed state room, an entertainment center, a private bed, a state-of-the-art communications system and a crew of 16. Similar consideration? Nice SPIN, but that is just the way the USAF has equipped its C32 jets. The new planes will carry the U.S. vice president, cabinet members, secretaries, and other dignitaries stateside and around the world. Are you suggesting the Speaker of the House and second in succession to the Presidency is not an "other dignitary" comparable to a "secretary"? Should the Air Force strip out the amenities from one of its C32s when Pelosi uses it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #28 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo, given that the USAF gave GOP speaker Hastert a jet to fly non-stop to his district, why is it unreasonable to give Pelosi similar consideration? Is your objection because she's a woman, or because she's a Democrat? Or is it because she NEEDS a big jet instead of a commuter jet, which Hastert used? Is it because she seems to think she NEEDS to ferry her entourage and family everywhere? Is it because she holds sway on the armed forces committee and the AF is afraid to say no lest she cut some of their funding? Is it because she made a big stink about ethics and now realizes that without a BIG JET funded by her lobbyists... she needs an AF BIG JET to move her oh-so-important people around? You should look in the USAF inventory to see what is available with the necessary range before making that assumption. Or just read what is being reported. No cite given - could have been a hoax for all we know. or from the Washington Times or other unreliable and biased source.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #29 February 7, 2007 You crack me up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #30 February 7, 2007 You're right. She DESERVES that plane. There's NO WAY that she should have to book her "peeps" on commercial while she takes a smaller faster jet and has to MAYBE make a stop to get fuel. I forgot that when people get elected, they become instant royalty and can't be inconvenienced by a 15 minute stop.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #31 February 7, 2007 QuoteYou're right. She DESERVES that plane. There's NO WAY that she should have to book her "peeps" on commercial while she takes a smaller faster jet and has to MAYBE make a stop to get fuel. I forgot that when people get elected, they become instant royalty and can't be inconvenienced by a 15 minute stop. . Funny, an hour ago she was wanting a 747 (post #16). Now it's a "smaller faster jet". Make up your minds which way you want to spin this non-story. the US Air Force has these aircraft in its inventory for just this purpose. Explain to us all how the Speaker of the House and 2nd in line to the presidency doesn't qualify in the light of the stated mission of the C32.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #32 February 7, 2007 QuoteYou crack me up. Well, how about that cite? I mean, YOU are always asking for them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #33 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou're right. She DESERVES that plane. There's NO WAY that she should have to book her "peeps" on commercial while she takes a smaller faster jet and has to MAYBE make a stop to get fuel. I forgot that when people get elected, they become instant royalty and can't be inconvenienced by a 15 minute stop. . Funny, an hour ago she was wanting a 747. Now it's a "smaller faster jet". Make up your minds which way you want to spin this non-story. Hey, at least they're not pre-occupied with how much her hair cuts cost.........yet. I guess they have to hate her for something, otherwise they're stuck just watching her do the job that her predecessor was incapable of. You know, funding the government, holding debates on wars, holding the executive accountable. Kooky stuff like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steelyeye 0 #34 February 7, 2007 Hey, I don't know all the facts, but assuming that Hastert was flying in a C20D (3676NM range) or C20G (4872NM range) and DC to San Fran is about 2500NM, it seems like Ms. Pelosi would WANT to reduce her "carbon footprint" and save the taxpayers a few bucks by flying the smallest, most efficient aircraft that would meet her needs (assuming that her staffing needs are not THAT much different than the previous speaker's). "Better a has-been than a never-was. Better a never-was than a never-tried-to-be..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #35 February 7, 2007 QuoteHey, I don't know all the facts, but assuming that Hastert was flying in a C20D (3676NM range) or C20G (4872NM range) and DC to San Fran is about 2500NM, it seems like Ms. Pelosi would WANT to reduce her "carbon footprint" and save the taxpayers a few bucks by flying the smallest, most efficient aircraft that would meet her needs (assuming that her staffing needs are not THAT much different than the previous speaker's). The C32A was purchased for the AF on account of its greater efficiency, for the explicitly stated purpose of transporting government officials and the first lady (link already provided). The Speaker is a senior government official. Explain how the first lady is more important to the USA than the Speaker of the House, other than that her last name is Bush and she's GOP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #36 February 7, 2007 QuoteExplain to us all how the Speaker of the House and 2nd in line to the presidency doesn't qualify in the light of the stated mission of the C32. She should get the same sized plane Hastert got and have the same rights Hastert had. No more, no less. I do not see why she should be allowed to carry people Hastert was not allowed to carry. I do not think having to stop for fuel is a valid reason for getting a bigger plane that uses more fuel. And the next speaker, should not be allowed a bigger plane either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #37 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteExplain to us all how the Speaker of the House and 2nd in line to the presidency doesn't qualify in the light of the stated mission of the C32. She should get the same sized plane Hastert got and have the same rights Hastert had. No more, no less. I do not see why she should be allowed to carry people Hastert was not allowed to carry. I do not think having to stop for fuel is a valid reason for getting a bigger plane that uses more fuel. And the next speaker, should not be allowed a bigger plane either. Why does the first lady get a bigger plane?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #38 February 7, 2007 Quote Why does the first lady get a bigger plane? Pompous circumstance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #39 February 7, 2007 Kallend, So much of what you've said in this thread is just pure silliness. The transports in question are for White House use and official government/congressional business. Do you really think using it as a commuter taxi for Pelosi and her sizable entourage fits the bill? Like I said - silliness. Prior to 9/11, the Speaker of the House flew on commercial airliners for this kind of travel. Hassert started using it for security reasons, not out of some new-found sense of priviledge. Pelosi seems to think she's entitled to whatever the government can provide. Is it really a big deal to have to refuel? compared to the old procedure of flying commercial? Or is it about Pelosi's new-found sense of priviledge. Here's a cite, which you've been repeatedly whining about.http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070207-123706-5963r.htm Just so you know, when I ask for a cite, it's only after I've done a quick search and found nothing or only found obviously partisan sources. In contrast, you could do a google news search for "Pelosi" and the second match would have given you all you need. The first match involved "a special panel on climate change". Ironic, don't you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #40 February 7, 2007 QuoteWhy does the first lady get a bigger plane? We are comparing a speaker of the house to a speaker of the house. Not a speaker to the first lady. If Hastert had wanted a bigger plane I would not have agreed to that either. Care to discuss the topic and not try to drag non-related issues in? Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #41 February 7, 2007 QuoteKallend, So much of what you've said in this thread is just pure silliness. The transports in question are for White House use and official government/congressional business. Do you really think using it as a commuter taxi for Pelosi and her sizable entourage fits the bill? Like I said - silliness. So did Hastert commute back on forth to his home in Illinois on commercial planes in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006? Is Laura Bush an official of the US government? Methinks I smell a double standard here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #42 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuote Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #43 February 7, 2007 I think she should get use of a C-130. It has enough room. Some of them look to have just enough range, just a bit slow compared to a jet.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #44 February 7, 2007 Quote Here's a cite, which you've been repeatedly whining about.http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070207-123706-5963r.htm ? Washington Times cough cough.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #45 February 7, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Care to debate the same things, And not try to change things? Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? Please, try to stay on topic Speaker to Speaker, not Speaker to First Lady. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #46 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Pure silliness. Can you imagine the stink if Newt tried to ask for the same priviledges as Hillary, back on '95? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #47 February 7, 2007 QuoteCare to debate the same things, And not try to change things? Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? I agree, one speaker got an air force jet to fly non-stop to his riding, so the new speaker should get a jet to fly non-stop to her riding. Agreed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #48 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Care to debate the same things, And not try to change things? Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? Please, try to stay on topic Speaker to Speaker, not Speaker to First Lady. It's about what is appropriate use of the C32A. You simply can't answer my question. Why don't you read the official USAF mission for the C32A before posting more tripe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #49 February 7, 2007 QuoteSo did Hastert commute back on forth to his home in Illinois on commercial planes in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006? I don't think so. Is anyone claiming Pelosi should? Or are you just tossing out more crap to see if any will stick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #50 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Pure silliness. Can you imagine the stink if Newt tried to ask for the same priviledges as Hillary, back on '05? In '05? Which century are you living in?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
sundevil777 102 #43 February 7, 2007 I think she should get use of a C-130. It has enough room. Some of them look to have just enough range, just a bit slow compared to a jet.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #44 February 7, 2007 Quote Here's a cite, which you've been repeatedly whining about.http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070207-123706-5963r.htm ? Washington Times cough cough.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #45 February 7, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Care to debate the same things, And not try to change things? Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? Please, try to stay on topic Speaker to Speaker, not Speaker to First Lady. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #46 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Pure silliness. Can you imagine the stink if Newt tried to ask for the same priviledges as Hillary, back on '95? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #47 February 7, 2007 QuoteCare to debate the same things, And not try to change things? Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? I agree, one speaker got an air force jet to fly non-stop to his riding, so the new speaker should get a jet to fly non-stop to her riding. Agreed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #48 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Care to debate the same things, And not try to change things? Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? Please, try to stay on topic Speaker to Speaker, not Speaker to First Lady. It's about what is appropriate use of the C32A. You simply can't answer my question. Why don't you read the official USAF mission for the C32A before posting more tripe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #49 February 7, 2007 QuoteSo did Hastert commute back on forth to his home in Illinois on commercial planes in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006? I don't think so. Is anyone claiming Pelosi should? Or are you just tossing out more crap to see if any will stick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #50 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Pure silliness. Can you imagine the stink if Newt tried to ask for the same priviledges as Hillary, back on '05? In '05? Which century are you living in?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
SkyDekker 1,465 #47 February 7, 2007 QuoteCare to debate the same things, And not try to change things? Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? I agree, one speaker got an air force jet to fly non-stop to his riding, so the new speaker should get a jet to fly non-stop to her riding. Agreed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #48 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Care to debate the same things, And not try to change things? Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? Please, try to stay on topic Speaker to Speaker, not Speaker to First Lady. It's about what is appropriate use of the C32A. You simply can't answer my question. Why don't you read the official USAF mission for the C32A before posting more tripe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #49 February 7, 2007 QuoteSo did Hastert commute back on forth to his home in Illinois on commercial planes in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006? I don't think so. Is anyone claiming Pelosi should? Or are you just tossing out more crap to see if any will stick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #50 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Why should Pelosi get something denied to Hastert? Why should Laura Bush get something denied to Pelosi? Pure silliness. Can you imagine the stink if Newt tried to ask for the same priviledges as Hillary, back on '05? In '05? Which century are you living in?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
