kallend 2,026 #201 February 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteI find it kinda idiotic that skydivers (at least us who actually skydive) would be arguing about fuel waste, considering the vast amount of fuel that is wasted soley to jump out of an airplane when we all can easily become BASE jumpers and save the fuel for better use It is not fuel waste, but COST that is my issue. If I could get to Altitude for 10 bucks with the right sized door vs 20. I would choose 10 that might climb slower. Even if I choose the 20 buck ride I would be paying for it myself, not making YOU pay for my jump. I have no issue flying the speaker around. I just want it to be done in the most economical way possible. How about Laura Bush? No-one elected her. She has no cabinet role. She gets the "big plane" for herself and her guests.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #202 February 10, 2007 QuoteJust a clarification here. A Gulfstream V (aka C-37A), is able to fly to Hawaii from DC without refueling -- easily. SAM has been increasingly using these for overseas diplomatic travel where the B757 and B737 variants used to be used exclusively. I notice you picked an eastery route, which rides the jet stream. Can it make it back the other direction, or do they ditch halfway past California? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #203 February 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe previous speaker was given acces to USAF supplied non-stop travel to his riding. The new speaker should be given the same, USAF supplied non-stop travel to her riding. Why does non stop trump economy? The same reason it does for a CEO. The more time she has to do productive work, the better off the nation is. She's no longer just a whiny Rep from San Francisco; she's now the head of one of our bodies of Congress. Taking your skydiving analogy. Yeah, I'd pay $10 to fly a slower 182 or 206 to 12k rather than $20 for an Otter or a King Air. I'm not the type that can do 10 jumps in the day and benefit from the speed. However, if I'm going to 18k, the cost savings are overriden by the fact that I'll be hypoxic by the time it gets there. I had less issues taking a KA to 24k then I did with the 206 to 18. That's would be stupid economy. I can handle almost any sort of cattle car plane going on a 90-100 minute flight. 6 hours, no such luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #204 February 10, 2007 Quote>Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? Exactly! They wouldn't even give Frederick Muhlenberg a prop plane! All speakers should get what he got - a coach-and-four. Stupid anology. I am really shocked you used it. There is not a significant difference in the Aircraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #205 February 10, 2007 QuoteRight, Hastert should have gone back to Illinois on a moped. I guess you think we should get Pelosi a Concord? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #206 February 10, 2007 QuoteQuote>Why should one Speaker get something another Speaker was not allowed? Exactly! They wouldn't even give Frederick Muhlenberg a prop plane! All speakers should get what he got - a coach-and-four. Stupid anology. I am really shocked you used it. There is not a significant difference in the Aircraft. Says you. The Pentagon says there is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #207 February 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteRight, Hastert should have gone back to Illinois on a moped. I guess you think we should get Pelosi a Concord? I'm not arguing with the White House, the Sergeant-at Arms of the House, and the US Air Force. You are. And it makes you look, in the words of White House spokesman Tony Snow, "SILLY".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #208 February 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe previous speaker was given acces to USAF supplied non-stop travel to his riding. The new speaker should be given the same, USAF supplied non-stop travel to her riding. Why does non stop trump economy? Right, Hastert should have gone back to Illinois on a moped. What kind of moped would withstand Hastert's fat arse???Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #209 February 10, 2007 QuoteIf Speaker Pelosi really needs a couple dozen people to travel with her, it would be cheaper to do so commercially, utilizing First and Business Class, especially compared to the C-32 (B757). "I have never asked for any larger plane," Pelosi said. "I have said that I am happy to ride commercial if the plane they have doesn't go coast to coast." Not directed at you, specifically, Gawain. Just clarification as to the speakers view. The real issue, as I see it, is in the White House's decision as to what plane she needs."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #210 February 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteJust a clarification here. A Gulfstream V (aka C-37A), is able to fly to Hawaii from DC without refueling -- easily. SAM has been increasingly using these for overseas diplomatic travel where the B757 and B737 variants used to be used exclusively. I notice you picked an eastery route, which rides the jet stream. Can it make it back the other direction, or do they ditch halfway past California? DC to Hawaii is not an easterly route.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #211 February 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf Speaker Pelosi really needs a couple dozen people to travel with her, it would be cheaper to do so commercially, utilizing First and Business Class, especially compared to the C-32 (B757). "I have never asked for any larger plane," Pelosi said. "I have said that I am happy to ride commercial if the plane they have doesn't go coast to coast." Not directed at you, specifically, Gawain. Just clarification as to the speakers view. The real issue, as I see it, is in the White House's decision as to what plane she needs. That's what's getting reported. What the Air Force is contending with are the number of people the Speaker "might" be travelling with. The DoD and DoS are working overtime and if the Speaker has a large entourage, SAM cannot guarantee they'll have a plane available which could provide her with non-stop service. Security is a non-issue even if a stop were necessary. They could simply land at Whiteman AFB in Missouri, refuel, and be on their way.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #212 February 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf Speaker Pelosi really needs a couple dozen people to travel with her, it would be cheaper to do so commercially, utilizing First and Business Class, especially compared to the C-32 (B757). "I have never asked for any larger plane," Pelosi said. "I have said that I am happy to ride commercial if the plane they have doesn't go coast to coast." Not directed at you, specifically, Gawain. Just clarification as to the speakers view. The real issue, as I see it, is in the White House's decision as to what plane she needs. That's what's getting reported. What the Air Force is contending with are the number of people the Speaker "might" be travelling with. The DoD and DoS are working overtime and if the Speaker has a large entourage, SAM cannot guarantee they'll have a plane available which could provide her with non-stop service. Security is a non-issue even if a stop were necessary. They could simply land at Whiteman AFB in Missouri, refuel, and be on their way. Why don't you write to the C/O, 89th Airlift Wing, Andrews AFB, MD 20762 and tell him how to run his operation? I'm sure he'd appreciate the help.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #213 February 10, 2007 QuoteWhy don't you write to the C/O, 89th Airlift Wing, Andrews AFB, MD 20762 and tell him how to run his operation? I'm sure he'd appreciate the help. Jeez, you could give me the full address: 1535 Command Drive, Suite A-205, Andrews AFB, MD, 20762... My rolodex is doing just fine, thanks...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #214 February 11, 2007 From the Strategy Page: What Nancy Pelosi Has What Nancy Pelosi Wants What Namcy Pelosi Should Get mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #215 February 11, 2007 QuoteShe is a self important elitist CUNT. Nothing more needs to be said. But the other Republinazi SOH were alright dudes, rt? You've had your control of the house/Senate/White House forever, ou must have thought we had a 0ne-party system.... Can't say asthat I balme ya for thinking that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #216 February 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteShe is a self important elitist CUNT. Nothing more needs to be said. And out come the gratuitously misogynist insults... be prepared for a LOT more of those in the next 2 years. "shrub", "bushitler", "chimpy"... the name calling sure isn't exclusive to one side... Difference is that she didn't: - Enter a war on false pretense, killing over 3100 US troops, costing 100's of billions of dollars - Set records for rate of increase of the debt huge-time - Quash gov funding for stem cell research, something that even many hardcore conservs disagree with - Create world hate for the US - And soooooooooooo many more goodies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #217 February 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteCalling the popular upstart presidential candidate "Barack Osama" is quite different from calling him a nigger. Did someone here direct a racial slur at Obama? Getting back the Pelosi insult, how is that word any worse than asshole, prick, dickhead or any number of slurs that are almost exclusively directed at men? N-bomb is to Obama:: as cunt is to Pelosi. Is that so hard? Idiot is to Bush:: as incompassionate is to Cheney. One is general and covers a great range and the other is individual specific. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #218 February 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteShe is a self important elitist CUNT. Nothing more needs to be said. I vote to give her a plane! (just make it a cessna and don't give her a parachute) I'm sure a Citation 10 would suffice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #219 February 11, 2007 QuoteKallend, So much of what you've said in this thread is just pure silliness. The transports in question are for White House use and official government/congressional business. Do you really think using it as a commuter taxi for Pelosi and her sizable entourage fits the bill? Like I said - silliness. Prior to 9/11, the Speaker of the House flew on commercial airliners for this kind of travel. Hassert started using it for security reasons, not out of some new-found sense of priviledge. Pelosi seems to think she's entitled to whatever the government can provide. Is it really a big deal to have to refuel? compared to the old procedure of flying commercial? Or is it about Pelosi's new-found sense of priviledge. Here's a cite, which you've been repeatedly whining about.http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070207-123706-5963r.htm Just so you know, when I ask for a cite, it's only after I've done a quick search and found nothing or only found obviously partisan sources. In contrast, you could do a google news search for "Pelosi" and the second match would have given you all you need. The first match involved "a special panel on climate change". Ironic, don't you think? Geez, are we now secure and have no threat? wonder why that little war thingy is still going on? Oh yea, to pad Haliburton's pockets to ake it thru the Obama years. Well, you can't both advocate the war and then say there is so threat. QuotePrior to 9/11, the Speaker of the House flew on commercial airliners for this kind of travel. Hassert started using it for security reasons, not out of some new-found sense of priviledge. Pelosi seems to think she's entitled to whatever the government can provide. Can you see the contradiction here? You guys started it, now you want to end it when you're not in. I think we waste far too much fuel for so many things and we will look bac, as a world, when the fuel becomes scarce and realize how we've wasted it on wars and redundant travel, esp wth the advent of video-teleconference and internet communication. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #220 February 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteRight, Hastert should have gone back to Illinois on a moped. I guess you think we should get Pelosi a Concord? No, get Bush a Concord, given all of the problems and all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #221 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI find it kinda idiotic that skydivers (at least us who actually skydive) would be arguing about fuel waste, considering the vast amount of fuel that is wasted soley to jump out of an airplane when we all can easily become BASE jumpers and save the fuel for better use It is not fuel waste, but COST that is my issue. If I could get to Altitude for 10 bucks with the right sized door vs 20. I would choose 10 that might climb slower. Even if I choose the 20 buck ride I would be paying for it myself, not making YOU pay for my jump. I have no issue flying the speaker around. I just want it to be done in the most economical way possible. How about Laura Bush? No-one elected her. She has no cabinet role. She gets the "big plane" for herself and her guests. So did Hillary - but I don't see you griping about THAT.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #222 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteCalling the popular upstart presidential candidate "Barack Osama" is quite different from calling him a nigger. Did someone here direct a racial slur at Obama? Getting back the Pelosi insult, how is that word any worse than asshole, prick, dickhead or any number of slurs that are almost exclusively directed at men? N-bomb is to Obama:: as cunt is to Pelosi. Is that so hard? Why? Because both are members of some "oppressed" class, so certain words are completely off-limits? This is right up there with the thinking that blacks who deeply hate whites, primarily for their skin color, shouldn't be considered racists. Underclass status trumps low class character. Welcome to our brave new world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #223 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI find it kinda idiotic that skydivers (at least us who actually skydive) would be arguing about fuel waste, considering the vast amount of fuel that is wasted soley to jump out of an airplane when we all can easily become BASE jumpers and save the fuel for better use It is not fuel waste, but COST that is my issue. If I could get to Altitude for 10 bucks with the right sized door vs 20. I would choose 10 that might climb slower. Even if I choose the 20 buck ride I would be paying for it myself, not making YOU pay for my jump. I have no issue flying the speaker around. I just want it to be done in the most economical way possible. How about Laura Bush? No-one elected her. She has no cabinet role. She gets the "big plane" for herself and her guests. So did Hillary - but I don't see you griping about THAT. I'm not griping about the allocation of planes - you are.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #224 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCalling the popular upstart presidential candidate "Barack Osama" is quite different from calling him a nigger. Did someone here direct a racial slur at Obama? Getting back the Pelosi insult, how is that word any worse than asshole, prick, dickhead or any number of slurs that are almost exclusively directed at men? N-bomb is to Obama:: as cunt is to Pelosi. Is that so hard? Why? Because both are members of some "oppressed" class, so certain words are completely off-limits? This is right up there with the thinking that blacks who deeply hate whites, primarily for their skin color, shouldn't be considered racists. Underclass status trumps low class character. Welcome to our brave new world. No, I'm just clarifying the author's intended analogy. They were both generalizations, so I'm talking about the logic employed, not the specifics of the race or gender. Like this: Green is to money :: as white is to rice. I'm not referring to money or rice, just the relationship of the colors. It's a true analogy as the other poster was making. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #225 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI find it kinda idiotic that skydivers (at least us who actually skydive) would be arguing about fuel waste, considering the vast amount of fuel that is wasted soley to jump out of an airplane when we all can easily become BASE jumpers and save the fuel for better use It is not fuel waste, but COST that is my issue. If I could get to Altitude for 10 bucks with the right sized door vs 20. I would choose 10 that might climb slower. Even if I choose the 20 buck ride I would be paying for it myself, not making YOU pay for my jump. I have no issue flying the speaker around. I just want it to be done in the most economical way possible. How about Laura Bush? No-one elected her. She has no cabinet role. She gets the "big plane" for herself and her guests. So did Hillary - but I don't see you griping about THAT. I'm not griping about the allocation of planes - you are. Incorrect - YOU are griping that the First Lady is able to use a larger plane and the CURRENT speaker can't (at least under the premise of the OP).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
