Evangelist is homo no mo.

[SpeedRacer 1]

clickyYep. He was "cured" in just 3 weeks.


Now he can get back to banning gay marriage again.

Not that he had any use for gay marriage back when he was gay.
He was only paying for gay sex, he wasn't going to marry the guy!

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I saw this story this morning on the news....I wonder how long before he "falls off the wagon"...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Darius11 12]

What gets me is his followers. How fucking stupid do you have to be?
Some people should have been swallowed

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[ExAFO 0]

Quote Andrew Dice Clay:

"You either suck dick, or you do not suck dick!! There is no middle ground!"

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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What gets me is his followers. How fucking stupid do you have to be?
Some people should have been swallowed

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Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.
Matthew 715-16

Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21

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Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
James 3:1

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I saw this story this morning on the news....I wonder how long before he "falls off the wagon"...

Is there such a thing as a "recovering homo" or "homos anonymous"?

Instead of chips they could carry around a pair of silk panties. "Dude, I just got my six month thong!"

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Is there such a thing as ... "homos anonymous"?

Sure, it is called a glory hole.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[NWFlyer 2]

Sadly, yes, there are people who think homosexuality is just something you can "cure" with a 12-step program.

Edited to take link directly to the source rather than through wikipedia.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

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Is there such a thing as a "recovering homo" or "homos anonymous"?

Instead of chips they could carry around a pair of silk panties. "Dude, I just got my six month thong!"

That's hilarious!

Maybe he's gonna be a "good" (and "traditional") priest from now on, and "keep it in the family". Now it'll be somthin like, "I knew god didn't want me to do it with the prostitute anymore because he got me caught. I always knew he had a "plan" for the choir boys."

Gravity Waits for No One.

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only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Shit. I don't do wills. Or trusts.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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***Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
James 3:1

Truth, that. And as true today as when those words were first spoken. Quality never goes out of style.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.
Matthew 715-16

Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21

[random thought]
Have you ever noticed how the bible seems to answer everything with one sentence blurbs..

[question]
Do you think the people this man brought over to christ now need to be 're indroctrinated' or such, re-babtised or what ever they do. I mean he was a false prophet, a wolf etc.., that is clear.

Say one was brought over to christ durring his time at the pulpit - then died before this news came out, did he go to hell?

[steveorino 7]

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Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.
Matthew 715-16

Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21

[random thought]
Have you ever noticed how the bible seems to answer everything with one sentence blurbs..

[question]
Do you think the people this man brought over to christ now need to be 're indroctrinated' or such, re-babtised or what ever they do. I mean he was a false prophet, a wolf etc.., that is clear.

Say one was brought over to christ durring his time at the pulpit - then died before this news came out, did he go to hell?

Why? He (Haggard) didn't save them, Jesus did.

steveOrino

[bigtexan 0]

so a faggot sinner priest can be effective at serving christ by bringing people to him?

[SpeedRacer 1]

Salvation is from Jesus, not from the person who introduced you to Jesus.

If that person had to be without sin, then there couldnt be any priests/ministers/preachers/whatever at all.

BTW Haggard is an Evangelist minister, not a priest.

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[bigtexan 0]

then what does it matter who the person on the stage is as long as they are effective - good speakers etc..

I don't get it - say a good speaking faggot minister/preacher/whatever is bringing loads of people over to christ etc.. lets kick him out - we'll put someone in who isn't a faggot but who cannot bring in the numbers quite like the faggot could. What about those lost numbers -

this guy wouldn't have held that position unless he beat out the competetition.

[ExAFO 0]

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so a faggot sinner priest can be effective at serving christ by bringing people to him?

Fred Phelps? Is that you?

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[SpeedRacer 1]

well evidently the other members of the church couldn't stomach it. He resigned pretty quick when the story came out. Also they probably figured that his abilities to bring in new Christians would go down the tubes after everyone found out he was gay.

on a related subject, King James I , who commissioned the King James Version of the Bible, was a homosexual.

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[bigtexan 0]

so what does that say of the congregation? they're really not about saving 'all' they can but instead only those that can be saved by someone who is not gay?


still don't get it.

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so what does that say of the congregation? they're really not about saving 'all' they can but instead only those that can be saved by someone who is not gay?

still don't get it.

I hardly paid attention at the time, but it appeared the resignation happened about 15 seconds after the first news reports came out.

It seems likely to me that he resigned on his own initiative. It's the sort of self-flagellation a conflicted closeted homophobic queer might hope would turn the shameful revelation into a sorrowful martyrdom.

That's also consistent with the quick turnaround if it was a snap decision that he then regretted.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[steveorino 7]

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so what does that say of the congregation? they're really not about saving 'all' they can but instead only those that can be saved by someone who is not gay?


still don't get it.

What don't you get? JC saves, preachers and priest don't. Are you really saying yoiu cannot see what the problem is when a leader is hypocritical? Being a hypocrite would be okay if you are good speaker?

Personally, I have a more "now" view of ministry. I believe in heaven and all, but I don't think I was saved simply for heaven. I think I was redeemed to do something now. If my walk doesn't match my talk, I lose my effectiveness in that regard.

steveOrino

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your right - that is a bit harder to defend - however - this man was a good enough to bring people to christ while he was secretly gay - but now that he is publicly gay - he is not.

while he was secretly gay - his deeds were not wolf like, nor were they a false profet in nature as his work was valid - he did bring people to christ effectively and better than the competition could - else someone else would have had the job -

you have to admit - being gay did not affect his ability to bring people to christ - only the public's perception that he was gay affected this ability -

this is where I get lost .. I don't understand why he was good enough while successfully deceiving - even though his deciet has no negative consequences on those he he deceived - in fact- his deciet actually was more benefitial than the truth as he was the better man at the task than the others - so - at this point I hope you can see my point - even though I am stumbling at presenting in in words.

[steveorino 7]

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you have to admit - being gay did not affect his ability to bring people to christ - only the public's perception that he was gay affected this ability -

this is where I get lost .. I don't understand why he was good enough while successfully deceiving - even though his deciet has no negative consequences on those he he deceived - in fact- his deciet actually was more benefitial than the truth as he was the better man at the task than the others - so - at this point I hope you can see my point - even though I am stumbling at presenting in in words.

He was very charasmatic, but flawed, at least from his own theological worldview. His ability to speak, understand theology, and lead people obviously depended more on his charisma than his integrity.

Look back at scripture in the NT and you will see the 12 disciples were able to preach, and heal. All of them! Not 11 of them, ALL of them, including Judas. What does that say? To me it says God works through imperfect people. Thank God because I don't know too many perfect people.

While I think anyone who gave their life to Christ in his ministry is not in jeopardy of hell for Haggard's sins, they no doubt have been dealt a blow about Christian integrity and leadership.

steveOrino

[NWFlyer 2]

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2660882#2660882

Linked since it's relevant here, too.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[Darius11 12]

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while he was secretly gay - his deeds were not wolf like, nor were they a false profet in nature as his work was valid - he did bring people to christ effectively and better than the competition could - else someone else would have had the job -

you have to admit - being gay did not affect his ability to bring people to christ - only the public's perception that he was gay affected this ability -

Couple of problems.
You can’t bring people to a religion that says being gay is a sin and any one who is gay should be killed and will go to hell, and be gay at the same time.

As for his deeds?????? He went to a prostitute, and purchased drugs. I think we have higher standards for men of god…….maybe we don’t.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain