Andy9o8 2 #101 February 12, 2007 Quote Bill you just posted a lie, where did US troops kill ALL of an entire village and rape the virgins? In about 4 hours on the morning of March 16, 1968, US soldiers murdered about 500 civilians in the Vietnamese village of My Lai. When they left, the village, for all practical purposes, had ceased to exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #102 February 12, 2007 You say you don't see much of the world bowing down to Kim Jong Il? What you ( and many others ) miss, is that the world is already bowing down to Satan, following him in all the evil he stands for. When Satan enters into K.J.I.'s body, and take it and his mind over, then you will have Satan alive in human form on earth, and he will dictate what his followers will do, and they will follow him just as they do now. They will NOT be following Kim Jong Il, but rather Satan in Kim Jong Il's human form. Kim Jong Il is NOT the antichrist at this time, ( Feb 2006) but will be when Satan takes him over, body and soul. Until then, KJI is just another human being, although one who has apparently no qualms about doing things of evil , especially against the U.S.A. Satan taking over Kim Jong Il will take place most likely in 2009, which is the beginning opf Daniel's 70th week. Actually it is the 62nd week( Year ) and the week will end 7 years later, ( 2016), and the 70th week ( Year) ends about May 2017 . Someone wrote that the French Coat of Arms has a Rooster.This is absolutely correct, and the entire verse that refers to France as the third of Daniel's four beasts, is as follows: Another, like a Leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl ( Rooster) and the beast also had four heads and dominion was given to it. The heads, in this case, are the four great rivers of France, ( the Garonne, The Loire, The Siene, and the La Rhone ). The reason they are mentioned in this verse is for identification, that the verse is about France. In biblical terms, the reference to "heads" is sometimes used to denote rivers, and other times either actual "heads" or nation leaders. It is a matter of decifering which is which, and in the case of France as the beast, it is the rivers. One must understand that when the writers of God's WORD put their pen to papyrus, they were NOT voicing their own words, but ONLY the WORDS of God. The Bible states " God hath spoken by the mouth of ALL His holy prophets since the world began, ( Acts 3:21), and there are many such references. When John wrote while on the Isle of Patmos, he was writing ONLY what God through the Holy Spirit wanted John to write, and not a single word more. You will notice that John writes the words of Jesus Chriost in his letters to the 7 churches of Asia, and those words of Jesus Christ are not recorded anywhere else. The everlasting and omnipotent God is a supernatural being, and as such, He must have a supernatural Bible, nothing less. What people do not realize is, that this world is one half of a world day, and we are living in the EVENING portion of that day and we are now in the proverbial last few minutes of worldly time in this world. . It will be followed by the MORNING period, which will be another world set in a trinitarian FULLNESS of three parts, just like this world has been. All worlds are separated by the Day of the Lord, which is His Sabbath Day, Every single thing in this world has been on earth, in worlds before this one and they will be again in worlds that come after this world had ended .One (world) generation passeth away and another ( world) generation cometh, but the earth abideth forever. (Ecclesiastes 1:4) The thing that hath been, is that which shall be, and that which is done, is that which shall be done; and there is NO NEW THING under the sun. Is there anything whereof it may be said, See,this is new? it hath been already of old time ( in other worlds) which was before us. There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after (us), Ecclesiastes 1:9-10-11 ). That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been, and God requireth that which is past ( Ecclesiastes 3:15) I hope this helps someone Spiritually understand some of the Bible, and the ways of God and His creation. Unfortunately, most people only understand these things with a worldly view. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #103 February 12, 2007 >If you believe that Jews are apes and Christians are pigs, then > obviously you would want that material to stay in the books and be >taught. And if you're a fundamentalist right-winger, you would support teaching both views and letting children decide for themselves which is more accurate. Heck, do the same thing for the Holocaust - after all, a lot of people deny it ever happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #104 February 12, 2007 OK, but many other Christians have also made their predictions about the End Times, and come up with different predictions & representations for the symbols in the Books of Daniel & Revelation (those two books seem to be the ones most commonly used for eschatology) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #105 February 12, 2007 KJI's regime is so irrelevant and on the verge of collapse, it's laughable to consider him as the soon-to-be AntiChrist. http://www.rickross.com/groups/nkorea.html But thank you for revealing his "identity."Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #106 February 12, 2007 Thanks Bill. Now, with God as my witness, I'd like to wager that you're wrong, to the sum of $10 - bets and monies to be concluded on the 31st of December 2009 at 2359:59. Thanks. Or alternatively, is there any particular reason that makes your prophecy right, in comparison to the several hundred other prophecies? Or is this knowledge simply just what you know, from your studies, which you believe to be correct? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #107 February 12, 2007 QuoteWith the exceptions of a few terrorist groups who have bombed everyone including their fellow Muslims who are the Muslims who are trying to change your way of life? Those muslims are enough. The ability of their acts to destroy the economies of free countries should not be underestimated. QuoteIt’s kind of hard to take anyone seriously who is afraid of the Muslims changing their way of life when we have been involved in that region for the past 200 years, and the British even before that. You must be referring to the Turkish-Ottoman empire, when you say, "we have been involved in that region for the past 200 years", right? Quote Now how many military bases do we have in and around the Middle East even before the Iraq war? Are you claiming that some military base is there without the consent of the government of that country? QuoteHow many times have we had are war ships with there guns pointing on the shore of some nation? How many war ships from Muslims countries have shown up on your shores to try to bully their way of life on you? Islamofacists don't do it with war ships. That doesn't make it easier to accept. It is interesting that you use the term "bully their way of life on you". Islamofacists want to do exactly that, including the imposition of Islamic law and forced religious conversions. Certainly there have been wars in the middle east involving the western world, but where has the "bullying their way of life on you" taken place, at least since WWI? It seems that the Arab world cannot stand the fact that it has failed at destroying Israel, and the fact that much of the western world played a part in the creation and continued survival of Israel cannot be tolerated. When Japan and Germany lost in WWII, the people saw the error in their previous ways and set about on a very different, peaceful path. The Allies didn't try to change their culture and traditions. It appears that it is the Islamofacists that refuse to live in peace, can't tolerate losing to Jews and Christians.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #108 February 12, 2007 Quote>If you believe that Jews are apes and Christians are pigs, then > obviously you would want that material to stay in the books and be >taught. And if you're a fundamentalist right-winger, you would support teaching both views and letting children decide for themselves which is more accurate. Heck, do the same thing for the Holocaust - after all, a lot of people deny it ever happened. Some may call themselves fundamentalist. Some may call themselves very conservative, even 'right wing' in their political opinions. In my opinion, for you to associate all those that fit those categories in the way you have is really low, especially for a moderator.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #109 February 12, 2007 QuoteIt is interesting that you use the term "bully their way of life on you". Islamofacists want to do exactly that, including the imposition of Islamic law and forced religious conversions. If by islamofacists you mean the small group of Muslim extremist then yes they want to convert everyone, just as the Chrsitofacists want every one to follow there way. But we are talking about countries and majorities here or at least I am. When was the last time an Islamic country attacked the US? How many people have been killed or injured by the act of an Islamic country? Yes the terrorist that committed 9-11 were Muslims but they were neither Iranian, or Iraqi, but they were of a US allies citizenship remember. Who is really trying to force their way of life on whom? Aren’t we killing Iraqis right now by the thousands so they can have the American dream they did not ask for? All you have to do is read a bit of history and you will see the things we have done and continue to do. Hypocrisy is not a great foreign policy and the US history is filled with it.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #110 February 12, 2007 QuoteNews:Jews are apes and Christians are pigs! The principal of an Islamic school has admitted that it uses textbooks which describe Jews as "apes" and Christians as "pigs" and has refused to withdraw them. Dr Sumaya Alyusuf confirmed that the offending books exist after former teacher Colin Cook, alleged that children as young as five are taught from racist materials at the King Fahd Academy in Acton, England...Source: This is London Just one more example of how our governments will bend over and take it up the proverbial rather than offend the House of Saud. Bloody Wahibbists again. They should be proscecuted for speading race hate.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #111 February 12, 2007 What’s frightening is many see them as the representative of all Islam, which couldn’t be farther from the truth.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #112 February 12, 2007 QuoteIf by islamofacists you mean the small group of Muslim extremist then yes they want to convert everyone, just as the Chrsitofacists want every one to follow there way. That 'small group' is much, much more dangerous. Modern day Christianfacists spend their energy killing abortion doctors and such. Big difference. QuoteBut we are talking about countries and majorities here or at least I am. When was the last time an Islamic country attacked the US? How many people have been killed or injured by the act of an Islamic country? Yes the terrorist that committed 9-11 were Muslims but they were neither Iranian, or Iraqi, but they were of a US allies citizenship remember. Most would say that the Afghan government was complicit with OBL in the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps you don't agree. QuoteWho is really trying to force their way of life on whom? Aren’t we killing Iraqis right now by the thousands so they can have the American dream they did not ask for? The racist, hate mongering Islamofacists are the modern day crusaders. Christians did it in the past, but not now. QuoteAren’t we killing Iraqis right now by the thousands so they can have the American dream they did not ask for? I think we're doing it because SH couldn't live by the terms of the cease fire agreement from the '91 war.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #113 February 12, 2007 QuoteWhat’s frightening is many see them as the representative of all Islam, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. Examples of the racist hatred of the Arab world's leadership is easy to find. If what you say is true, then why are such schools teaching the racist hatred so common?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #114 February 12, 2007 QuoteWhat’s frightening is many see them as the representative of all Islam, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. Agreed but they can hardly be blamed as the media (at least in the UK) is doing all it can to demonise Muslims.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #115 February 12, 2007 Quotei voted The Muslim school books are wrong. Here is what I don’t get. No where in Islam does it say that Jews, Christians, or for that fact anyone is lower or a 2nd class citizen not to mention pigs. As a matter of fact Islam is the only religion that believed all humans are equal. So they are not even teaching Islam, but using Islam name to infuse hate. I voted the same. As for your second point it actually mentions in the Koran a incident where Muhumed stood up out of respect when he saw a Jewish funeral passing and he ordered all his follower to do the same. He was also taught for many years by a Christian as a young man. This is a deliberate perversion of Islam by Saudi wahibist theologists who are a evil aborition of the faith.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #116 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteI wonder what "class" it was where such materials were part of the curriculum. Quote: "The school is owned, funded and run by the government of Saudi Arabia." So it goes beyond this one Muslim school in England. The source of the books serves an entire Muslim nation. If it wasn't being taught anywhere, it wouldn't be in the book. This one school may not use that chapter, but the kids can read it on their own even though the teachers don't require it. They should rip that whole section out of the books, if they really don't teach it. But elsewhere, in Saudi Arabia, it must be a widespread mandatory lesson. Glenn Beck has been covering this issue for many months, but the mainstream media won't touch it. And for those who voted "apes" and "pigs", please explain yourselves. Following the publicity the school did rip out the offending pages. The point is that they should never have been in there in the first place. I would like to see the school closed down and the head master and governers proscecuted.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #117 February 13, 2007 With regard to the connection between Daniel and Revelation, let me point out one of the most important connections to you. I mentioned earlier about the "four great beasts ( nations) that would rise up out of the sea ( Daniel 7:3) and then I said that they represented ENGLAND, the USA , which grew out of British rule in 1776), Russia, France, and China. These are a portion, (the main portion I might add) of the beast that will dominate the world in the last days. Notice also, that in Daniel 7:23, it says that the Dragon, CHINA, would break down the whole world and break it into pieces. Daniel said that the eagle's wings would be plucked, and as I stated, without feathered wings, an eagle cannot defend itself or attack an enemy. The connection to Revelation is found in Rev 13:2, where the beast of the last days is mentioned, and it was lijke a Leopard (FRANCE) with the feet of the BEAR ( Russia) and the mouth of the LION (ENGLAND). Notice though, that there is no more mention of the eagle, for its wings have been plucked as Daniel said it would be,( by Islam with nukes) and the USA does not exist as a nation any more. In Daniel 8:8, notice that the goat ( the USA) that attacked the Ram ( Media and Persia--Daniel 8:20 & 21) when he was strong ( 8:8 , 8:22 ) his great horn ( power and might) were broken, and four stood up for it ( to reclaim those lands). These four nations that will reclaim the USA ( lands and people) are the same nations that owned those lands before it becamre the USA, the same four as listed in Daniel 7:3 to 7, England, Russia, France and China. There is also a connection between Jeremiah and Revelation. When Osama Bin Laden was living in his new home at Peshawar, Pakistan, he callesd that home the Lion's Den. It was there that he gave the name "the BASE" to Al Qaeda. The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate, and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant" Jeremiah 4:12. If you think for a moment, that Osama is through with the USA, you are dreaming. He is far from finished, and will lay New York City, the financial center of the world, as a waste land, killing millions. Digressing for a moment..................... Yesterday, North Korea said it would close down its nuclear reactor. Do you or does anyone else, believe them. Bush will use this as a big propaganda victory, but North Korea will never close its nuke program down. How naive the USA is. I think it is quite possible that Israel will take out Iran's nuke program, and the 21,500 US troops are backup, in support of Israel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #118 February 13, 2007 I do not gamble....on anything. It is from years of "study", sometimes as much as 12 + hours a day, and I will be so bold to say, I KNOW IT IS CORRECT....no guessing, not the slightest bit. I would not write anything about the scriptures if I did not know it to be correct, for the scriptures are God's TRUTH, and anything written has to also be. I am not a prophet, nor do I claim to be one. I am a Biblical student, and I have many more things that support this conclusion, but there is no way I would try to write them down here. Before I could even begin, I would have to teach so much about the Bible just to prepare someone for this material, it would take months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #119 February 13, 2007 >I KNOW IT IS CORRECT....no guessing, not the slightest bit. From 2005: "I am convinced the end of the USA will, take place in 2006, I would say 99%, but I would also say 100% before the end of Bush's term. Everything points dramatically to 2006, and both the CIA and the Mossad made the same claim, long after I first discovered that." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #120 February 13, 2007 But notice too ( or are you blind) I would say 100% before the end of Bush's second term. Look it up for yourself ( if you have a King James Bible). Im sure the other per-versions have something, but they are not the WORD of God, they are the work of Zondervan's translators.Bush is the goat ( from the WEST ) that attacks the ram ( the Taliban and Iraqi forces ) in Daniel Chapter 8:3-7. In verse 8, the goat is said to wax very great, and when he was great, his horn ( might and power) was broken, and it was reclaimed by four other nations ( England, Russia, France and China) who all held portions of the USA territory before it became the USA. It is also mentioned again in Daniel 8:21 to 23, and the king of fierce countenance is Kim Jong Il, who by that time, will be Satan in the fleshh of KJI. It is also mentioned in Daniel 11:3 and 4. The mention in Chapter 8 of the goat attacking the Ram, is actually the USA ( from the west) attacking the nations of Afghanistan and Iraq, the two nations that are at the extreme ends of Media and Persia, ( 8:21,22 ). I have always felt that the USA will attack Iran also, and it seems likely now that if Israel makes the first move, the USA will support Israel as they always have. Israel has publicly stated they "will NEVER allow Iran to possess a nuclear weapon" and if they are going to move against Iran, they had better hurry if they expect the USA to help them. I believe the 21,500 troops are backup for Israel, with possibly more as things move forward. I think Israel will make their move against Iran in March.....We will soon see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #121 February 13, 2007 Here's something interesting re. North Korea; http://www.rickross.com/reference/nkorea/nkorea27.html Apparently they have OUTLAWED Christianity there (and other religions as well) In its place they worship Kim Jong Il's dead father (Kim Il Sung) almost as a God, and Kim Jong Il as his son. Very creepy in light of what you've said about him. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #122 February 13, 2007 Well, it was beginning to look 'creepy' until Billvon replied to Bill Cole's current assertion, with a statement made a few years back (By Bill Cole) stating it all to happen in 2006. Kind of makes you lose some credibility Bill. I'm happy to double the stakes to $20(!). 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #123 February 13, 2007 >Look it up for yourself ( if you have a King James Bible). Im sure the >other per-versions have something, but they are not the WORD of God . . . If that's the case, then your earlier statement is incorrect: "When John wrote while on the Isle of Patmos, he was writing ONLY what God through the Holy Spirit wanted John to write . . ." He was not writing the Word of God since he was not writing the King James version of the Bible. He was writing a hebrew "per-version" (to use your phrase) - the KJV is in english. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #124 February 13, 2007 QuoteBut notice too ( or are you blind) I would say 100% before the end of Bush's second term. Nice, albeit cheap, out you left for yourself there. I'll drink a toast to you when I celebrate 12:01a on 1 Jan 2011.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #125 February 13, 2007 I think a president's term lasts until Jan 10.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites