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I think a president's term lasts until Jan 10.

It was just an arbitrary date well beyond Billy boy's doomsday date heres,er....prophesy.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[SpeedRacer 1]

I think a study of ancient history would reveal the symbolism behind the Book of Daniel, specifically the Second Babylonian empire, followed by the Median Empire, the Persian Empire, and then the conquest by the Greeks under Alexander the Great, which began the Seleucid dynasty.

The symbolism matches what was going on during that span of time. Is it likely that events in modern times could be represented by those same symbols?

incidentally, the four heads on the leopard-like beast correspond to the four kings of the Persian Empire, mentioned again in Daniel Chapter 11:

2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

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This fourth king was Xerxes I (486-465 BC) who campaigned against Greece.

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Then we have Daniel 11:

3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.


4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

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This is the destruction of the Persian Empire by another king, Alexander the Great from Greece, who ended the Persian Empire in 333 BC.

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[chuteless 1]

When John was writingon the Isle of Patmos, he was writing NOT in English, but he was writing what God directed him to write, as God would have him write.

The language ( Hebrew ) he was writing in doesnt matter, as God would in His own time, direct each translation to be as He wanted it to be, and He would also direct it to end up in the hands of those who were writing in English for King James in 1607 to 1611.

John did not write the Book of Revelation and put it in the mail....God directed when and where it would be and where it would go, in God's time.

Someone posted here the other day, that Revelation and Daniel could have no connection because they were written years apart ( about 600 years to be
exact ), but they fail to Spiritually understand, that God controls this world, and if God wants a connection between writings made 600 years apart, or even 6000 years for that matter, God will arrange it to be so.

Other books of the Bible also have a connection and were written manyyears apart.

It appears that everyone who doesnt understand God and His everlasting greatness, cannot fathom a connection could be made. They treat God like someone they went to school with, and for man, it woukld be impossible, but not for God.

[chuteless 1]

Your reference to Daniel 11:3, is a reference to George W Bush.

And when he stands up ( see also other references to the same---- Daniel 8:8, and 8:22 ) for the same "king", and the division of the lands of the USA between France, England, Russia and China, and they shall come from those 4 nations as it says in 8:22, they shall stand up "out of the nation", but not in his ( G.W.Bush's ) power.

Further to that, look also at Revelation Chapter 17.
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Verse 9: And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains ( nations) on which the woman sitteth.

These are the G-7 nations.

Verse 11: And the beast that was ( as the Soviet Union) and is not ( no longeras the Soviet Union), and yet is, ( as Russia), and is of the seven ( known as the G-8) and goeth into perdition.

One would likely think verse 9 and verse 10 are connected...they are not.

Verse 9 tells of the G-7.

Verse 10 tells of 7 kings, 5 are fallen ( and they are the permanent members of the UN Security Council)

The USA
England
Russia
France
China
and they will be fallen once Islam's murderers nuke New York City, and destroy both that city and the United Nations.

One nation IS.....and that is Japan, the beast that was wounded by the atomic sword, and did live, and all the world wondered after that beast, that it not only survived, but thrived. It is considered to be the one that IS, as it was not a member of the UN Security Council.

Another nation (#7) is YET TO COME, and that is North Korea, which will show its strength and emerge as supporting Japan, and directing the building of the IMAGE OF THE BEAST, Revelation 13:4-5.

Therefore, you now have the entire makeup of the Beast of the end times ( minus the U.S.A. ) in Revelation 13:2-3-4

France
England
Russia
Japan
North Korea

And the Dragon gave each, theirpower, and seat, and great authority.

Verse12 : And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings ( not actually 10, but a FULLNESS of ten) which have received no kingdom as yet, but receive power AS kings for one hour ( a relatively short time...NOT 60 minutes) with the beast.

Verse 13 : these have ONE mind, ( Islamic Jihad against the USA and Israel) and shall give their power and strength to the beast.

Verse 14 : These shall make war with the Lamb( of God) and the Lamb shall overcome them,

Verse 15: The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, multitudes, and nations and tongues ( the sea of Humanity)

Verse 16: And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast ( Islam) these shall hate the whore ( NYC and the USA ) and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat ( destroy) her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Verse 17: For God hath put in in their hearts to FULFILL HIS WILL, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast ( Satan) until the WORDS OF GOD SHALL BE FULFILLED.

Verse 18: And the woman which thou sawest is that great city ( NEW YORK CITY----The Babylon of the New Testament) which reigneth over the kings of the earth ( through the United Nations)

Revelation Chapter 18: a full description of the destruction of New York, and Washington D.C.

It doesnt mention Washington here, but it will be the second city, ( the anti-type) just as America bombed 2 cities in 1945, and that was the TYPE.


It is interesting to norte that there is even a small town on Long Island called Babylon, about 20 miles from the heart of NYC, just as Babylon was about the same distance from Baghdad, in Iraq.


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[chuteless 1]

Speedracer.....you really do not understand, that Revelation is a BOOK written about the end times, not about the second Babylonian Empire, or any other ancient time.

Just as Genesis is a Book of the Beginning, Revelation is the Book of the ending, both of THIS WORLD.

You have the same approach as Steveorino, when he tries to connect the coming of the antichrist to a ruler in Rome, when Paul was talking about the prince of darkness that will come into this world in the end days.

I should tell you, there is about a dozen numbers that connect things of the end times. The most prominent number is 110, which connects almost every person or event taking place in the past few years. It also connects to Hitler, who although he too lived in what is known as the end time,, the other people and events are since the year 2000.

Other numbers are 121, 141, 144, 166, 134 or 34,
and they all have a distinct relationship to things of these end times....in which we are living.

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You have the same approach as Steveorino, when he tries to connect the coming of the antichrist to a ruler in Rome, when Paul was talking about the prince of darkness that will come into this world in the end days.

As I said before. The biblical writer writes to HIS present generation. To do otherwise would make his words useless to HIS present generation. Plus it proved he was a prophet as it was fulfilled in HIS lifetime. Your dates will (has) proven YOU to be false prophet.

Again, as I previously said, your complete concept that the KJV is the only version smacks of the narcissism that pervades Western Christianity.

It amazes me to hear TV preachers speak of imbedded computer chips as fulfillment of prophecy that speaks of the "inability to buy bread without the mark of the beast", and CNN as the fulfillment of "every eye will behold Jesus second coming".

It's like you think everyone in the world, including the people living Saharan villages and Central American rain forrest dwellings have cable TV and Walmart.

steveOrino

[SpeedRacer 1]

well, this argument could go back & forth.

but I'm just saying: There have been plenty of other Christians who used symbols/numbers in the Bible's prophetic books to predict imminent apocalypse.

There's even some websites devoted to all the failed predictions (some are Bible-based, others based on other things).
Many of the Bible-based predictions were quite elaborate & detailed (perhaps you remember the book The Late Great Planet Earth). The person making the predictions could always work out something about the current events/dates of his/her time that would supposedly correlate with Biblical prophecy.

Why should your predictions be more successful than theirs?

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...Other numbers are 121, 141, 144, 166, 134 or 34,
and they all have a distinct relationship to things of these end times....in which we are living.

http://www.number23movie.com/

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[SpeedRacer 1]

speaking of Jews & Christians:

hairyjuan is back, but he hasn't posted any of his links in this thread yet.

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[chuteless 1]

The writers that God used wrote what God wanted them to, and John, while on Patmos, was writing as directed by God, to be the final book in God's WORD, and not just something that would be read by people of his day.

Revelation is the only New Testament book that focuses primarily on prophetic events. Its title means "unveiling" or "disclosure", and thus is an unveiling of the programs of God in the end days.

The best title of the book, is found in the first verse of Revelation;
"Apokalypsis Iesou Christou", the Revelation of Jesus Christ., and was written and published for the sole purpose of giving that revelation to those who lived after God had it publ;ished in the year 1611..........and it was not written for a revelation to those who lived in John's time.

Although it has been published throughout the world for a period ( in 4 more years) of 400 years, that time is shown to be aFULLNESS to God of 134, which , if I had a month to show you, is probably the most significant FULLNESS to God of all numbers and letters.

There will be no imbedded computer chips, but without the mark of the beast, one will not be able to buy bread or anything else.

Watch for the blackmarket that will follow.

However, when Jesus comes, EVERY EYE will indeed see him, around the entire globe, and they won't have to have the internet, or Cable TV, in order to do so.

[chuteless 1]

I suppose you are right....perhaps this could go on for awhile...not forever...... You won't have to wait very long before you see it taking place.

The next big thing to watch for is the demise of the U.S.A.

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How would you react if what you say is going to happen doesn't actually happen? Just a hypothetical situation to you, how would that change your view?

[SpeedRacer 1]

well, I guess if the USA is attacked by Jan 2009, badly enough that Bush doesn't finish his term (as you have said), then we'll know you were on the right track.

Until then, though, from the point of view of other people, your predictions seem to be just one more in a long list of differing end times predictions.

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[chuteless 1]

Yes.....everyone is entitled to their point of view.

I base mine on the scriptures, the WORD of the eternal God, and if anyone would take the time, they would easily see what God has written about the end times, in the Book of Revelation, which is all about the end times.

As I stated earlier, Chapter 18 is a vivid description of the wiping out of New York City, the Babylon of the New Testament. God told Jeremiah that he would wipe out ancient Babylon, and He did. He has said He will wipe out the Babylon of the New Testament also, and He will.

In Chapter 18:21, it indicates that a large asteroid will hit the Ocean, ( I expect it will be the Atlantic) and without much thought, anyone can imagine what damage that would cause, especially if iut coincides with a nuclear attack.

The Tsunami would be a half mile high ( or higher) and the west coast of Europe and the east coast of North America would be under water for a long time.

In relating these events as written of in the scriptures, most people are afraid of the truth, and therefore shy away from giving God's WORD any credibility. What folly that is.

Bill Cole

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>As I stated earlier, Chapter 18 is a vivid description of the wiping
>out of New York City, the Babylon of the New Testament.

Maybe Babylon, NY is the Babylon of the New Testament. It's about 60 miles outside NYC. Nice place.

[beowulf 1]

There are so many different interpretations of the bible, how can you be so certain that yours is correct?

[chuteless 1]

I mentioned that Babylon on an earlier post. It is about 20 miles from the heart of Manhattan.

If you drive through it, don't blink....you miss it.

However, it isnt a city, and it doesnt have the UN, with the modern day tower of Babel where people still talk in the confusion of many languages,................, as New York City does.

The ancient Tower of Babel was very close to the ancient city of Babylon.

[chuteless 1]

There are many different Bibles too. The King James is the only one that can be considered the definitive WORD of God.


I KNOW mine is correct, because there are very many things that I cannot take the time to explain here, that ensures it to be correct.

Other previous explanations did not have what I possess to validate their version or their belief.

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the Revelation of Jesus Christ., and was written and published for the sole purpose of giving that revelation to those who lived after God had it publ;ished in the year 1611..........and it was not written for a revelation to those who lived in John's time.

The seven churches John wrote to were real churches in Asia Minor

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There will be no imbedded computer chips, but without the mark of the beast, one will not be able to buy bread or anything else.

Watch for the blackmarket that will follow.

Have you been to a third world village???? Your concept is way too western. But if you twist enough meanings around you can make your eschatology fit just about any scenariao.

steveOrino

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There are many different Bibles too. The King James is the only one that can be considered the definitive WORD of God.


I KNOW mine is correct, because there are very many things that I cannot take the time to explain here, that ensures it to be correct.

Other previous explanations did not have what I possess to validate their version or their belief.

You Believe your conclusions. Unless you can empirically prove them to be true, you cannot know. That's that logic thing screwing with your dogma.

By the way, didja know your oddly-worded Bible's namesake was gay?

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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>I KNOW IT IS CORRECT....no guessing, not the slightest bit.

From 2005:

"I am convinced the end of the USA will, take place in 2006, I would say 99%, but I would also say 100% before the end of Bush's term.

Everything points dramatically to 2006, and both the CIA and the Mossad made the same claim, long after I first discovered that."

Bill, why would it matter that Chutless was wrong? Hal Lindsey (The Late Great Planet Earth) was proven to be a fraud, but he still sells his books and appears on TBN.

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>I KNOW IT IS CORRECT....no guessing, not the slightest bit.

From 2005:

"I am convinced the end of the USA will, take place in 2006, I would say 99%, but I would also say 100% before the end of Bush's term.

Everything points dramatically to 2006, and both the CIA and the Mossad made the same claim, long after I first discovered that."

Bill, why would it matter that Chutless was wrong? Hal Lindsey (The Late Great Planet Earth) was proven to be a fraud, but he still sells his books and appears on TBN.

Don't bother, Steve...He left himself a 1% out for this year, but is sticking to his "100%" guns for the end of Dubya's term. It'll be fun to see how he backpedals in February 2009.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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>I KNOW IT IS CORRECT....no guessing, not the slightest bit.

From 2005:

"I am convinced the end of the USA will, take place in 2006, I would say 99%, but I would also say 100% before the end of Bush's term.

Everything points dramatically to 2006, and both the CIA and the Mossad made the same claim, long after I first discovered that."

Bill, why would it matter that Chutless was wrong? Hal Lindsey (The Late Great Planet Earth) was proven to be a fraud, but he still sells his books and appears on TBN.

Don't bother, Steve...He left himself a 1% out for this year, but is sticking to his "100%" guns for the end of Dubya's term. It'll be fun to see how he backpedals in February 2009.

Yeah, Hal Lindsey is now saying maybe a generation isn't 40 years. Maybe it is 80 years!! Yeah, that's the ticket. (He'll be dead and gone before he is proven wrong the second time)

steveOrino

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Yes.....everyone is entitled to their point of view.

I base mine on the scriptures, the WORD of the eternal God, and if anyone would take the time, they would easily see what God has written about the end times, in the Book of Revelation, which is all about the end times.

My point is that many other Christians have come up with end times scenarios, which were also based on the scriptures.

And nevertheless managed to wind up with different interpretations.

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speaking of Jews & Christians:

hairyjuan is back, but he hasn't posted any of his links in this thread yet.

He's black???!!!

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