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A question for the Pro-Iraq-War people:

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The solution will show itself when we say we can now leave and we are asked to stay......as a friend
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I have a questions for everyone....

Was Iraq under oppression from a Saddam and his two sons?

Just curious to see what everyone thinks



Yes. Just like about 60 other nations are oppressed. We haven't invaded any that don't have oil, though.

However, the question was stabilty, not oppression. Iraq was very stable under SH.
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No punch line. I just knew he couldn't resist that one.



There Was a punchline there actually. Free enterprise is definitely not free if it is upheld by weapons. This is a true statement. But also a true statement, free enterprise cannot exist without any type of defense against anything that will stop it. So Free Enterprise is definitely not free. Ask any Naval servicemember who has been deployed to defend a sealane from piracy and hostile governments.
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The solution will show itself when we say we can now leave and we are asked to stay......as a friend



Well, it was all supposed to be over in 6 months and cost around $100B according to your side. We were to be welcomed by Iraqis throwing flowers.

The predictions of you and your side have been remarkable for their hopeless inaccuracy - random guessing would have done better.
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Actually, we knew it was going to take longer then 6 months John. We just had to tell your side what you wanted to hear in order to proceed. :P



So you admit Bush lied. Well, I suppose that's a start. The rest of us have known for quite a while.
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Actually, we knew it was going to take longer then 6 months John. We just had to tell your side what you wanted to hear in order to proceed. :P



So you admit Bush lied. Well, I suppose that's a start. The rest of us have known for quite a while.



Only on the time table... not the cause.;)

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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Actually, we knew it was going to take longer then 6 months John. We just had to tell your side what you wanted to hear in order to proceed. :P



So you admit Bush lied. Well, I suppose that's a start. The rest of us have known for quite a while.



Only on the time table... not the cause.;)



Denial is not a river in Egypt.
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Actually, we knew it was going to take longer then 6 months John. We just had to tell your side what you wanted to hear in order to proceed. :P



So you admit Bush lied. Well, I suppose that's a start. The rest of us have known for quite a while.



Only on the time table... not the cause.;)



Denial is not a river in Egypt.



who's denying?

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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Actually, we knew it was going to take longer then 6 months John. We just had to tell your side what you wanted to hear in order to proceed. :P



So you admit Bush lied. Well, I suppose that's a start. The rest of us have known for quite a while.



Only on the time table... not the cause.;)



Denial is not a river in Egypt.



who's denying?



Take a look in the mirror.
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The solution will show itself when we say we can now leave and we are asked to stay......as a friend



Well, it was all supposed to be over in 6 months and cost around $100B according to your side. We were to be welcomed by Iraqis throwing flowers.

The predictions of you and your side have been remarkable for their hopeless inaccuracy - random guessing would have done better.



All you got??


come on kallend. You are throwing more lies (or at least perpetuating them) than you accuse bush of.

fun to watch
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The solution will show itself when we say we can now leave and we are asked to stay......as a friend



Well, it was all supposed to be over in 6 months and cost around $100B according to your side. We were to be welcomed by Iraqis throwing flowers.

The predictions of you and your side have been remarkable for their hopeless inaccuracy - random guessing would have done better.



All you got??


come on kallend. You are throwing more lies (or at least perpetuating them) than you accuse bush of.

fun to watch



It WOULD be funny, except you actually seem to believe what you write despite overwhelming evidence that you are wrong.

Fortunately DZ.COM has an excellent archive.
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Actually, we knew it was going to take longer then 6 months John. We just had to tell your side what you wanted to hear in order to proceed. :P



So you admit Bush lied. Well, I suppose that's a start. The rest of us have known for quite a while.



Only on the time table... not the cause.;)



Denial is not a river in Egypt.



who's denying?



Take a look in the mirror.



Wow!:o

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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>The majority of people that US forces are facing in Iraq, are not Iraqis.

Completely untrue. This is one of the pieces of propaganda that have been propagated to make the war seem more "noble" but is nonsense.

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The US and Iraqi governments have vastly overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, and most of them don't come from Saudi Arabia, according to a new report from the Washington-based Center for Strategic International Studies (CSIS). According to a piece in The Guardian, this means the US and Iraq " feed the myth" that foreign fighters are the backbone of the insurgency. While the foreign fighters may stoke the insurgency flames, they make up only about 4 to 10 percent of the estimated 30,000 insurgents.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html
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Between 50 and 70 foreign fighters sneak over the border into Iraq every month, Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, chief US military spokesman in Iraq, said last week. Most come from Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, or Syria.

Between January and mid-September, US or Iraqi government forces captured some 630 foreign fighters, according to General Caldwell. Of these, 370 remain in detention in Iraq. The rest have been processed through Iraqi courts and sentenced, or released. Some may have been taken to undisclosed locations elsewhere.

The total number of foreign fighters in Iraq is between 800 and 2,000, according to estimates by the Brookings Institution, a think tank in Washington. In contrast, the total strength of the insurgency is more than 20,000 people, according to Brookings. That means the vast majority of its fighters come from Iraq itself.

"In proportion to the whole insurgency, [the percentage of foreign fighters] is very small," says Aidan Kirby, a terrorism expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1003/p03s03-woiq.html
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Only 3.5% of the 13,885 detainees held by U.S. forces in Iraq are foreigners . . .

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-11-06-iraq-border_x.htm
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>You're trying to make this out as some kind of "resistence" ala
>German occupied France . . .

It is mostly resistance by Iraqis to occupiers.

>If we voted for it?

If the Chinese imposed a new communist government on us, and we had a choice to vote for two new Chinese leaders (both originally from the US, but living in China for years) and one of them was eventuallyu elected - would you then lay down arms and accept this new government?

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No country can have self-determination when it is occupied by the invading army of another nation.


Yeah, the Germans and the Japanese have been really suffering under the yoke of US imperialism for the last 60 years. :o



Are there armed American troops keeping "order" on the street corners in Tokyo today? Berlin? There are in Baghdad.
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Are there armed American troops keeping "order" on the street corners in Tokyo today? Berlin? There are in Baghdad.



There were occupation forces in both those countries for quite a few years afterwards.



Correct, and in those few years those countries did not have their political freedom. Just as Iraq does not now have its political freedom, and will not until our occupation ends.
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Are there armed American troops keeping "order" on the street corners in Tokyo today? Berlin? There are in Baghdad.



There were occupation forces in both those countries for quite a few years afterwards.



Correct, and in those few years those countries did not have their political freedom. Just as Iraq does not now have its political freedom, and will not until our occupation ends.



The presence of coalition forces will end when the terrorists are completely beaten. Stop attempting to provide them with a time table to exploit against us!

The facts are the terrorists cannot beat us militarily. However, they can win thru the main stream media and conventional wisdom!

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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No country can have self-determination when it is occupied by the invading army of another nation.


Yeah, the Germans and the Japanese have been really suffering under the yoke of US imperialism for the last 60 years. :o



Are there armed American troops keeping "order" on the street corners in Tokyo today? Berlin? There are in Baghdad.



Please tell me the date on which American forces did not occupy German or Japanese soil? Or are you just trying to redirect the discussion because your previous claim is so flawed?

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Are there armed American troops keeping "order" on the street corners in Tokyo today? Berlin? There are in Baghdad.



There were occupation forces in both those countries for quite a few years afterwards.



Correct, and in those few years those countries did not have their political freedom. Just as Iraq does not now have its political freedom, and will not until our occupation ends.



The presence of coalition forces will end when the terrorists are completely beaten. Stop attempting to provide them with a time table to exploit against us!

The facts are the terrorists cannot beat us militarily. However, they can win thru the main stream media and conventional wisdom!



So you admit, then, that Iraq is our vassal state and will remain so forever or until all terrorists are beaten, whichever comes first. (IMO, the end of time will come first)
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