JohnRich 4 #1 February 7, 2007 News:Britain tops European crime league Britain has one of the worst crime rates in Europe, a report said yesterday. It is the most burgled country in Europe, has the highest level of assaults and above average rates of car theft, robbery and pickpocketing. Only Ireland has a worse record. The report follows one of the most comprehensive law and order surveys in the EU. More than 40,000 people aged over 16 were questioned in 18 countries about their recent experiences of crime...Source: Telegraph Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #2 February 7, 2007 But are the Manx cats ok?Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #3 February 7, 2007 John, you have a habbit of posting news articles like this without any point to your post. What is it you are trying to raise then we can discuss it, or are you just trying to create a hornets nest again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #4 February 7, 2007 QuoteJohn, you have a habbit of posting news articles like this without any point to your post. What is it you are trying to raise then we can discuss it, or are you just trying to create a hornets nest again? Quit posting and get out there & fix this! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #5 February 7, 2007 QuoteJohn, you have a habbit of posting news articles like this without any point to your post. What is it you are trying to raise then we can discuss it, or are you just trying to create a hornets nest again? P.S. I think he's implying that because the UK are the only English speaking country in Europe, they are excessively affected by the negative cultural influence of their violent cousin over the pond. John, you really need to stop the America bashing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #6 February 7, 2007 Quote Only Ireland has a worse record. How can Britain be "tops" when Ireland is worse? Is Ireland no longer in Europe? Seems like another ill conceived JR diatribe against the UK.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeterB 0 #7 February 8, 2007 Hey John. From same article: Quote Robert Manchin, the chairman of Gallup Europe, said it involved "perceptions" of safety and security based on people's actual experience of crime. It did not correlate to recorded crime statistics which were collected differently around the EU. Emphasis mine. You're an intelligent man so you'll know that perceptions aren't the same thing as hard statistics or facts. They're influenced greatly by culture. Perception in the UK is that guns are bad. I would not go as far as calling that a comprehensive argument suggesting that Americans should abandon their guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #8 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuote Only Ireland has a worse record. How can Britain be "tops" when Ireland is worse? Is Ireland no longer in Europe? To be fair to John, that was the actual title of the newspaper article he linked.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #9 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Only Ireland has a worse record. How can Britain be "tops" when Ireland is worse? Is Ireland no longer in Europe? To be fair to John, that was the actual title of the newspaper article he linked. Which suggests something about the quality of the reporting.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 0 #10 February 8, 2007 Also have to remember this was only a survey and not based on official reports of crime stats, sure that if a survey was conducted in the right areas of America we could show that most of them are all gun obsessed idiots... Nick Gravity- It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 February 8, 2007 QuoteAlso have to remember this was only a survey and not based on official reports of crime stats, sure that if a survey was conducted in the right areas of America we could show that most of them are all gun obsessed idiots... Or antigun obsessed idiots... or several other kinds of idiot... just like the rest of the world.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #12 February 8, 2007 QuoteAlso have to remember this was only a survey and not based on official reports of crime stats, sure that if a survey was conducted in the right areas of America we could show that most of them are all gun obsessed idiots... In the last 10 years the FEAR of crime has risen dramtically, quite disproportionate to the actual crime committed. Basically, us in the UK are pussies. We are scared of things that MIGHT happen, but almost certainly will not. This is due, partly, to the removal of village bobbies etc into response style policing. The communication with the law abiding public was lost. Now its back, in the form of Community Support Officers. A trip back to the contact the community had with the wider policing family years ago. We've gone full circle and I for one think its a good thing Any survey you conduct will be negative in the UK at the moment. We are whingers. The public believe gangs of kids (doing nothing illegal, just hanging out) are a menace to society and that they are criminals. Add to that our sensational media reporting and theres no chance you'd ever get a good report off the population. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #13 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteAlso have to remember this was only a survey and not based on official reports of crime stats, sure that if a survey was conducted in the right areas of America we could show that most of them are all gun obsessed idiots... Or antigun obsessed idiots... or several other kinds of idiot... just like the rest of the world. Correct. Everyone should take note. There are two sets of figures and you have to compare like with like. Both the US and UK do crime surveys, and both do uniform crime reports of crimes actually reported to the police. Surveys always show more apparent crime than the reports. You can compare survey to survey (being careful that they really ask the same thing) or report to report, but you can't mix survey and report and expect to get any sensible conclusion. You also have to be careful that the crimes are defined in the same way in both nations (true generally of homicides, aggravated assaults and robberies, but less true of less serious crimes).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #14 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuote Only Ireland has a worse record. How can Britain be "tops" when Ireland is worse? Is Ireland no longer in Europe? Seems like another ill conceived JR diatribe against the UK. Not in the north its not. Up there everyone loves each other now and swaps spit whilst holding hands on a regular basisWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaulNoel 0 #15 February 14, 2007 Sorry you are all talking nonsense Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 14, 2007 I hope they are using condoms Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
