kallend 2,106
rushmc 23
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So thanks to diplomatic ineptitude by Bush, NK now has MORE plutonium than they would otherwise have, plus now they have a huge bribe to stop producing more.
And we still don't know if they are enriching uranium!
What it takes to clean up Cater and Clintons mess. Ohya, clinton got a bj
Funny, this mess was started way before Bush but your blind hatred keeps you looking, well, silly. His way of at least attempting to clean it up starts to maybe work and you go off on a tangent
Apparently you missed something:
"Under the deal, the North will receive initial aid equal to 50,000 tons heavy fuel oil within 60 days for shutting down and sealing its main nuclear reactor and related facilities at Yongbyon, north of the capital, to be confirmed by international inspectors."
That reactor was confirmed shut down until early 2003, when they reactivated it in response to Bush's bullying "Axis of evil" and "Bush doctrine" tactics.
They are being paid by us to shut down AGAIN a reactor that was already shut down when Bush became president.
No you are, the mess was created before Bush. It keeps lifting its head because it was not dealt with correctly. Now he tries and it is his fault.
And Bush was correct about the axis of evil statement too. Just cause you don't like it doen't make any difference
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteThat reactor was confirmed shut down until early 2003, when they reactivated it in response to Bush's bullying "Axis of evil" and "Bush doctrine" tactics.
Which was a response to NK aquiring centrifuges for processing highly enriched uranium, which could be used for building nuclear weapons. This was a blatant violation of an existing Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Regardless of which president gets the blame or the credit for dealing with North Korea, it seems like all permanent agreements with that country are only temporary.
billvon 3,071
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>What it takes to clean up Cater and Clintons mess.
I hate when someone caters and doesn't clean up their mess. You'd think that professional caterers would know how to clean up after themselves!
>No you are, the mess was created before Bush.
There was a mess before Bush. Clinton cleaned it up. It came back. Now Bush is cleaning it up again. It will probably come back again - and the next round of partisan pundits will have someone new to blame.
Look at it this way. When NK starts its reactors again in four years, you'll have a democratic president to blame. That's gotta make you happy!
I hate when someone caters and doesn't clean up their mess. You'd think that professional caterers would know how to clean up after themselves!
>No you are, the mess was created before Bush.
There was a mess before Bush. Clinton cleaned it up. It came back. Now Bush is cleaning it up again. It will probably come back again - and the next round of partisan pundits will have someone new to blame.
Look at it this way. When NK starts its reactors again in four years, you'll have a democratic president to blame. That's gotta make you happy!
kallend 2,106
QuoteQuoteThat reactor was confirmed shut down until early 2003, when they reactivated it in response to Bush's bullying "Axis of evil" and "Bush doctrine" tactics.
Which was a response to NK aquiring centrifuges for processing highly enriched uranium, which could be used for building nuclear weapons. This was a blatant violation of an existing Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Regardless of which president gets the blame or the credit for dealing with North Korea, it seems like all permanent agreements with that country are only temporary.
No argument there, but we don't have to REWARD them for bad behavior.
Remember, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
How would you resolve this situation?
kallend 2,106
QuoteHow would you resolve this situation?
Let the Chinese deal with them. Neighbors need to keep their neighborhood in good shape.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteHow would you resolve this situation?
Let the Chinese deal with them. Neighbors need to keep their neighborhood in good shape.
I see. Not our problem. You seem pretty selective about which countries the US should pay attention to.
DaVinci 0
QuoteMaybe you can dig up references to -who- didn't want the six party talks?
Many wanted Bush to drop the desire for six party talks and try and talk direct with NK.
As for why I didn't answer before...Ever heard of sleeping and a job?
Read some here, next time do a search yourself...It took like half a second. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2510459#2510459
QuoteYeah Bush stuck to his guns....big fucking deal, usually when he does that he gets your country in troubel...just look at Iraq. The President that doesn't make mistakes....
He stuck to his guns. he said, no I won't talk to him alone and left it at that. Other nations, for the greater good of the world, then stepped in and brokered a deal. Now we have to thank Bush for the other nations stepping in?
If this is supposed to be one of the great things that Bush has done in his term, then I feel really sorry for the lot of you....
quade 4
QuoteQuoteMaybe you can dig up references to -who- didn't want the six party talks?
Many wanted Bush to drop the desire for six party talks and try and talk direct with NK.
Ah . . . and by that you mean a couple people on this forum.
By "many" I had, in the broader context of world issues, sort of assumed you meant the Democratic Party or some other slightly larger organization other than what I would consider a "few" people on this forum.
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As for why I didn't answer before...Ever heard of sleeping and a job?
Nope. I have never done either.
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Read some here, next time do a search yourself...It took like half a second. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2510459#2510459
I'm not Kreskin. I don't read minds. I had no idea WHO you were talking about. I could search day and night on -this- forum and it would have only been a guess.
quade -
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The World's Most Boring Skydiver
billvon 3,071
>I remember when people jumped Bush's case for wanting 6 party
> talks. Now they want to refuse to admit it might be the only tactic
> that will work.
(DaVinci, unhappy with the low level of bashing in the thread, discovers a new target. Go DaVinci!)
> talks. Now they want to refuse to admit it might be the only tactic
> that will work.
(DaVinci, unhappy with the low level of bashing in the thread, discovers a new target. Go DaVinci!)
kallend 2,106
QuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you resolve this situation?
Let the Chinese deal with them. Neighbors need to keep their neighborhood in good shape.
I see. Not our problem. You seem pretty selective about which countries the US should pay attention to.
The Chinese are quite capable of dealing with N. Korea, and it is in their interest to do so.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Gawain 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you resolve this situation?
Let the Chinese deal with them. Neighbors need to keep their neighborhood in good shape.
I see. Not our problem. You seem pretty selective about which countries the US should pay attention to.
The Chinese are quite capable of dealing with N. Korea, and it is in their interest to do so.
That's just it. The Chinese haven't been dealing with it. Their hands-off foreign policy is less than pragmatic.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
DaVinci 0
Quote>I remember when people jumped Bush's case for wanting 6 party
> talks. Now they want to refuse to admit it might be the only tactic
> that will work.
(DaVinci, unhappy with the low level of bashing in the thread, discovers a new target. Go DaVinci!)
(Bilvon makes a bash of his own! But instead of going after a group, he goes after a single person!)
Mine was inline with the title of the topic...."Believe it or not". That goes to show that the bashers thought one thing and were proven wrong. I just pointed that out.
SkyChimp 0
QuoteQuoteIf all sides can stick to the terms of the deal
I'd like to see how that will be verified over time. NK doesn't have a good track record on this topic.
That was my point from the very begining.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
crwtom 0
QuoteIn the spirit of "credit where due", Bravo to the Bush administration on the NK nuclear deal.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2870673
As with the economy -- this is merely a return to square one.
Cheers, T
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Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true
SkyChimp 0
QuoteLet the Chinese deal with them. Neighbors need to keep their neighborhood in good shape.
Kind of like our Federal Government is doing about the current invasion of illegal immigrants from Mexico, Right?!?!
QuoteThe Chinese are quite capable of dealing with N. Korea, and it is in their interest to do so.
How exactly are they "quite capable" of doing so professor? Do they have the military to enforce imposed sanctions if N.K. decided to flip them the middle finger like they have done to us thus far? Just how are they capable?
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
What it takes to clean up Cater and Clintons mess. Ohya, clinton got a bj
Funny, this mess was started way before Bush but your blind hatred keeps you looking, well, silly. His way of at least attempting to clean it up starts to maybe work and you go off on a tangent
Apparently you missed something:
"Under the deal, the North will receive initial aid equal to 50,000 tons heavy fuel oil within 60 days for shutting down and sealing its main nuclear reactor and related facilities at Yongbyon, north of the capital, to be confirmed by international inspectors."
That reactor was confirmed shut down until early 2003, when they reactivated it in response to Bush's bullying "Axis of evil" and "Bush doctrine" tactics.
They are being paid by us to shut down AGAIN a reactor that was already shut down when Bush became president.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.