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[shortyj 0]

So you honestly believe you came from a amino acid soup?

Playtime is essential.

[dorbie 0]

P.S. if you really want to know where the chemicals came from, their constituent atoms with the exception of hydrogen were formed billions of years ago in the hearts of stars or during supernovae explosions and scattered during those supernovae explosions. They then gravitationally collapsed to form the solar system.

You can get a telescope and watch the processes going on in the heavens today. There are vast clouds of complex elements visible in supernovae remnants detectable from their signatures in the detectable spectrum and we can see similar clouds collapsing into new solarsystems in regions of new star formation.

There is emerging evidence of organic chemistry in space but certainly chemical reactions happen spontaneously on planets even those without life.

[dorbie 0]

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So you honestly believe you came from a amino acid soup?

See my P.S.

The stuff I believe is quite breathtaking and rewarding.

I believe we are made of atoms that formed inside supernovae and that star stuff was blasted back into space before collapsing under gravity to make everything we see.

100% of astronomers and I'd estimate all competent scientists are solidly behind me on this one.

Your problem is not just that you have to undo evolution to support creationism (which for some reason you pick on as weak when it is one of the stronger and more self evident theories). You have to undo most if not all modern scientific discovery.

Where do YOU think the Earth came from?

And once again, where did God come from?

You cannot look at the complexity of the Universe and then explain it with something MORE complex like God. That is NOT an explanation.

You can call it an explanation, but it's just shifting the problem with a pseudo-explanation that makes you feel better, it actually explains nothing.

[Andy9o8 2]

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So you honestly believe you came from a amino acid soup?

It's not a belief - it's an understanding.

[dorbie 0]

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So you honestly believe you came from a amino acid soup?

P.S. there are some PROFOUNDLY mysterious and mystical things about the nature of our Universe that science has revealed. The Big Bang, Fusion, Supernovae, organic chemistry and evolution seem almost mundane by comparrison, but experiment confirms all of this and the very strange other stuff that scientists are compelled to accept (Einstein resisted) but that you miss out on.

[shortyj 0]

Well I do think were made up of atoms and everything else I just believe God made them. He set the stars in the heavens and yes stars and space are amazing it's beautiful. I don't think it just happened though.

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[steveorino 7]

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Last time I looked Paul is not god. god outlaws homsexuality , where does he do the same with peadophilia?

You said "In fact from my memory(please correct me if am wrong) the bible condemms home sexual sex acts but not sex acts for minors, implying that god prefers paedophilia to homsexuality."

And I said: "The bible (Paul) speaks against both "

You can argue the bible is not inpired by God if you want but that only muddles your point. As far as pedophyllia, it is refrenced in the 1st letter to the church in Corinth where Paul speaks against homosexuality and male prostitution. Most male prostitutes at that time in Corinth were boys used by Greek men.

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Buddha was a mortal who tried to teach people that if they were nice to each other, they would feel better more of the time, but basically there is no escaping the fact that life is pain. He did this 600 years before Jesus taught people that if they were nice to each other they would feel better more of the time, but added "or else" and "I am the way."

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[dorbie 0]

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Well I do think were made up of atoms and everything else I just believe God made them. He set the stars in the heavens and yes stars and space are amazing it's beautiful. I don't think it just happened though.

Well do you believe God uses gravitational collapse of interstellar material to set the stars in the heavens?

Do you believe He uses nuclear fusion to light the stars and that heavier atoms are created in that process?

[shortyj 0]

do you?

Playtime is essential.

[philh 0]

ok fair point, then ill amend my question form the bible to god. Where does god condenm paedophilia?
Also can you give me the exact verse u r using for Paul please?

[jakee 1,489]

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so if everything came from a single celled organism where did that single celled organism come from?

Some ideas.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[philh 0]

Maybe you should study a bit of cosmology. Nobody thinks it just happened there is a process that explains the origins of stars and atoms. perhaps if you studied a bit mroe you would see that.

[shortyj 0]

I guess I can't understand why most people on this thread have to have a ''scientifiic explaintion '' for everything. I mean what is wrong with having faith on somethings? It dosen't mean your less intellegent. I think it takes more balls to say you have faith then to say prove it to me.

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I guess I can't understand why most people on this thread have to have a ''scientifiic explaintion '' for everything. I mean what is wrong with having faith on somethings? It dosen't mean your less intellegent. I think it takes more balls to say you have faith then to say prove it to me.

I think faith is the lazy way out rather then researching and actually learning about something.

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ok fair point, then ill amend my question form the bible to god. Where does god condenm paedophilia?
Also can you give me the exact verse u r using for Paul please?

Apart from the bible I don't think God has too many of his ideas written down any where. However, it is my belief ALL truth is God's truth, regardless who wrote it down. So since I'm not well versed on all ancient "scriptures" and other "message from God" I'll have to stick to what I know. If you want to see what Paul wrote about it you can find it in the 6th chapter of 1 Corinthians, I believe.

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I guess I can't understand why most people on this thread have to have a ''scientifiic explaintion '' for everything.

Because when it comes to the universe, and everything that is around us, there is a scientific explanation for everything. And whenever there is something that could be known, we want to know it!

There are some explanations we haven't unearthed yet, and some things we haven't found out about yet - but when we do those explanations will be more fulfilling, more beautiful and far, far more profound than "I don't know, it must have been God".

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[shortyj 0]

But why does it have to be lazy? There are books out there that science backs up creation so someone had to write those. They weren't lazy they wanted to research it.

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[sweetmoose 0]

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I guess I can't understand why most people on this thread have to have a ''scientifiic explaintion '' for everything. I mean what is wrong with having faith on somethings? It dosen't mean your less intellegent. I think it takes more balls to say you have faith then to say prove it to me.

You actually think it takes more balls to say "eh, it just happend cause God made it happen" rather than saying "I don't know how it happens, but damnit, I'm gonna find out" One way you just accept ignorance, the other way you search for enlightenment.

We die only once, but for such a very long time.

I'll believe in ghosts when I catch one in my teeth.

[dorbie 0]

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I guess I can't understand why most people on this thread have to have a ''scientifiic explaintion '' for everything. I mean what is wrong with having faith on somethings? It dosen't mean your less intellegent. I think it takes more balls to say you have faith then to say prove it to me.

It means you discover less. You make less progress. That computer you're sitting in front of for example wouldn't exist without a whole bunch of scientific explanations. Newton was a devout Christian, but he still sought explanations for the physical nature of the Universe. The two are not always mutually exclusive. He didn't just take it on faith that God holds us to the surface of the Earth. He devised his laws of motion and formulated equations for the force of gravity.

P.S. and yes that DID make him a lot more intelligent than his fellow Christians.

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Well I do think were made up of atoms and everything else I just believe God made them. He set the stars in the heavens and yes stars and space are amazing it's beautiful. I don't think it just happened though.

Do you mean that you think God actually just made stars and put them where they are to kickstart the universe?

If thats true then I urge you, to go to NASA's APOD site (astronomy picture of the day) and look up some photos of star-forming nebulas, the 'nurseries' of the universe. The sheer scale, in every dimension, of these structures, the complexity, the elegance, the unimaginably powerful processes that we can observe happening in them is absolutely staggering.

The universe around us "just happening" is a wonderful, wonderful thing.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[philh 0]

Uhm Im not looking for something outside of the bible thats from god , but there are passages in the bible which are not spoken by god or by Jesus. The passage you mention is such a passage and so does not count. by the way I read your passage and I didnt see anything that mentions paedophilia, although i did notice that all fornicators are banned from heaven. the fact remains homosexuality is condemmed, paedophilia is not. Thats a screwed up morality by most peoples standards.

[shortyj 0]

I don't disagree with knowledge. Knoowledge is power. I love to study the body how it works. I'm a hairstylist I like to know what chemical changes happen when you put perms or color in it. All am saying there is nothing wrong with having faith. I won't think less of you b/c you don't know where God came from.
After all we all have faith, when you jump out of that plane you have faith that your chute is going to open. When you get in your car and put the key in you have faith that the car is going to start. You don't have proof that it will until it does.

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[dorbie 0]

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Well I do think were made up of atoms and everything else I just believe God made them. He set the stars in the heavens and yes stars and space are amazing it's beautiful. I don't think it just happened though.

Do you mean that you think God actually just made stars and put them where they are to kickstart the universe?

If thats true then I urge you, to go to NASA's APOD site (astronomy picture of the day) and look up some photos of star-forming nebulas, the 'nurseries' of the universe. The sheer scale, in every dimension, of these structures, the complexity, the elegance, the unimaginably powerful processes that we can observe happening in them is absolutely staggering.

The universe around us "just happening" is a wonderful, wonderful thing.

There is also the inconvenient fact that the light from those images has been travelling towards Earth for Billions of years. If God did set them in place he also set the fake light in place to reach us now before the light from his creation would actually have reached us if they'd just been switched on.

Of course this is just nonsense, the stars and galaxies have been around for billions of years, even the light from nearby Andromeda has been travelling for 2.5 million years. The universe and everything about it is VERY old by our standards.

Saying the Universe was recently created is no more plausible than me saying we were all created 5 minutes ago with false memories intact to make us think we've been living our lives and participating in this thread, but it was an elaborate delusion.

The physical universe we live in is profoundly ancient and extremely consistently profoundly ancient.

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But why does it have to be lazy? There are books out there that science backs up creation so someone had to write those. They weren't lazy they wanted to research it.

Hah, creation research!

Some of these people do carry out research, it is true. Unfortunately they structure their research in a way that is anathema to science. They assume their conclusions and search for something, anything, that may back them up (or more usually, appear to back them up). They search for things that sound 'sciencey' and convincing but do not actually contain anything usefull. the more authoritative and yet vacuous a statement is the more they love it.

You can see it in the way, for example, that Pajarito posts about genetic 'information'. take a look at the twists and turns he makes and how carefull he is to never get pinned down on what 'information' actually is. If you duplicate a DNA sequence, that isn't new information, if a sequence mutates to something different that isn't new information, if one half of a duplicated sequence mutates to something different even that is not new information! If you take his arguments to their logical conclusion then all genomes contain the same amount of 'information' and it ceases to be a problem anyway. That is the general standard of creationist 'Research'.

Oh, I nearly forgot, they like quotemines too. Any slip of the tongue by an evolutionist and they're on it like a pack of dogs. Its like that famous Darwin quote where he admits the eye could seem a major problem for evolution due to its incredible complexity and seeming perfection. It's funny that when that appears on creationist websites it is never accompanied by the following passage in which Darwin lays out his (very accurate) explanation of how he thinks the eye did evolve.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?