steveorino 7 #1201 March 27, 2007 I never try to claim to understand the mind of God apart from the teachings of Christ, but can you give a better solution for Drew's experience? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #1202 March 27, 2007 yeah, it didnt happen the way you say it did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1203 March 27, 2007 Why would I lie? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #1204 March 27, 2007 you keep assuming a lie. you could be mistaken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #1205 March 27, 2007 james Randi has a $1million prize for anyone who can prove a supernatural event , why dont you submit your evidence for him iif it is so concrete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1206 March 27, 2007 What were we mistaken about? My wife feeling the wheel drive over him? gewtting out and seeing the child laying behind the wheel that just drove over him? The tire tracks on his sleeper? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1207 March 27, 2007 Quotejames Randi has a $1million prize for anyone who can prove a supernatural event , why dont you submit your evidence for him iif it is so concrete? So because I cannot duplicate it and no cameras recorded it, it must not have happened? Again? which part are we mistaken about? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #1208 March 27, 2007 I dont know what you were mistken about , but should we believe any supernatural event just because someone claims it? Randi has seen countless people most of whom are sincere in their belief in their super natural powerws, once they get under controlled conditions in front of sceintists ad magicians their supernaturla powers suddenly dry up. This happens every time without exception. No one has ever one the prize.There is no evidence of super natural events, your story is just a story, it is not very concrete evidence. should we believ those who say they are abducted by aliens? they are just as sicnere as you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1209 March 27, 2007 So you're "I don't know" is better than mine and my wife's eye witness testimony? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1210 March 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I have never seen a divine miracle. I have. Of course people on SC said it wasn't a miracle even though they could offer no reasonable explanation. Please, refresh our memories. See? Luke 16:31 steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #1211 March 27, 2007 QuoteSo you're "I don't know" is better than mine and my wife's eye witness testimony? An 'I don't know' is better then God did it. It's better to say you don't know then to give credit to an invisible entity that there is no evidence of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1212 March 27, 2007 I've been giving good evidence all day today for the reliability of JC and his resurrection. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #1213 March 27, 2007 QuoteI've been giving good evidence all day today for the reliability of JC and his resurrection. You quoted the Bible. That does not qualify as evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1214 March 27, 2007 I've given a lot more evidence than scripture steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #1215 March 27, 2007 QuoteI've been giving good evidence all day today for the reliability of JC and his resurrection. I think to call it "good" or even "evidence" is a gross overestimate. 2000 year old hear-say and the "why would they die for a lie" line wouldn't stand up in court. Even a tennis court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #1216 March 27, 2007 why dont you watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV2PJ71z85s i think that proves one can be run over by a truck and not be harmed. It does not require a miracle, just an interesting weight ditribution in the truck , soryy about that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #1217 March 27, 2007 QuoteI've given a lot more evidence than scripture Your 'evidence' is speculation. Your definition of evidence is way too loose to be considered as actual evidence. If there were actual evidence I wouldn't be arguing with you. On another note if there were actual evidence to support any god not just the Christian God then there would not be any need for faith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1218 March 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteI've given a lot more evidence than scripture Your 'evidence' is speculation. Your definition of evidence is way too loose to be considered as actual evidence. If there were actual evidence I wouldn't be arguing with you. Well, you are right in the fact I can't produce a picture of JC stading there with nail prints in his hand and holding a newspaper dated three days after his crucifiction. Of course I think coincidences of 700 prophecies being fulfilled by one man along with radical changes in his followers follwing his resurrection and good indications that Q and Acts were written soon after his crucifiction lead to a more logical explanation of something outside the ordinary. But as you can tell from Phil's refusal to accept my wife's eye-witness testimony and physical evidence like a sleeper with tire tracts as probable explanation of something outside the normal, that any amount of evidence would not suffice. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1219 March 27, 2007 QuoteOn another note if there were actual evidence to support any god not just the Christian God then there would not be any need for faith. You are right. I stand by faith. Thanks for redirecting me back to my position. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #1220 March 27, 2007 I don't think anyone questions that something happened to your son that was out of the normal. I just don't understand why you think it was God that saved your son. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean that it was God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigtexan 0 #1221 March 27, 2007 -reply to your miricle post... Steve - as a parent I understand the magnitude of this event. However, I can comprehend your most incredible good fortune with the simple idea of weight distribution. You would have a hard time convincing anyone this was a miracle except those whom cannot understand how this could just happen all by it's ownself (as my 4yo puts it). <> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1222 March 27, 2007 QuoteI don't think anyone questions that something happened to your son that was out of the normal. I just don't understand why you think it was God that saved your son. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean that it was God. You're right. I accept it as a miracle by faith. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1223 March 27, 2007 Quote-reply to your miricle post... Steve - as a parent I understand the magnitude of this event. However, I can comprehend your most incredible good fortune with the simple idea of weight distribution. You would have a hard time convincing anyone this was a miracle except those whom cannot understand how this could just happen all by it's ownself (as my 4yo puts it). Where was a physics professor when I needed one back then to explain my fallacy to me. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #1224 March 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't think anyone questions that something happened to your son that was out of the normal. I just don't understand why you think it was God that saved your son. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean that it was God. You're right. I accept it as a miracle by faith. Faith requires a lack of evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #1225 March 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't think anyone questions that something happened to your son that was out of the normal. I just don't understand why you think it was God that saved your son. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean that it was God. You're right. I accept it as a miracle by faith. Faith requires a lack of evidence. Not necessarily. The disciples could put faith in Christ during his miracles and after, and even before. I guess what I mean is you can have faith in things you have evidence for. I have faith the world will remain on its axis. There is good evidence for this. But according to some scientist the earth shifted on its axis many years ago and changed the climate of the Sahara. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
