Guest #26 February 25, 2007 Quote AP has covered the story - is that not mainstream enough for you? You know as well as we all do that if the races of the perpetrators and the victims were REVERSED, we'd be hearing about it 24x7 for weeks. I didn't hear about this story until I read it HERE. I just googled the names of one of the victims. The first hit was: wait for it...not CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, Reuters, AP... It was YouTube. What I really want to know is why the people in the shadows go to so much trouble to hype up the insignificant (and oftentimes, it seems, wholly fabricated evidence of) white-on-black crimes, but go to great lengths to make sure that the overwhelming numbers of black-on-white crimes get buried. why....WHY! W H Y ? ! mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #27 February 25, 2007 Quotewhy....WHY! W H Y ? ! Oh, those poor put-upon white people! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #28 February 25, 2007 Once again you have no point to make, are you having fun being self loathing? Is that like a sport to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #29 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuotewhy....WHY! W H Y ? ! Oh, those poor put-upon white people! He asked a fair question. Why is it that crimes committed by white heterosexual males against anyone else seem to be paid specific attention in the media while the media is also pressured to avoid bringing attention to crimes by minorities against whites. For that matter why is it that everytime a white person offers their own greivance about double standards they are met with mockery? Does that fact that another group faces challenges that white's don't, mitigate any greivances that white people may have? If we are truly interested making diversity and multiculturalism a success then I would expect that we might wish to stop getting off on every opportunity to see white people "getting theirs". I am no sociologist but in my humble opinion (based on personal experience and observation) this sort of "stick it to whitey and mock him for whining about it because he deserves it" mentality serves only to breed resentment and ultimately backlash thus furthering the divide between races. In case you haven't looked around most big cities, there is tremendous diversity. One of the groups that has to coexist respectfully with all others (and be equally respected by all others) is the white demograph. As they are no longer the majority in big cities they too can be victims of race based crime and racism. If they cannot voice their concerns about racial issues like every other group does without risk of mockery then they will seek to further seperate themselves from people not like themselves. Why would I want to live with a group of people who are allowed to live under a seperate set of rules and expectations than me? If that happened I would probably just move further out to the suburbs. Why not keep this sort of debate constructive? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #30 February 25, 2007 Kill whitey, they deserve it....look at how white they are! [/Sarcasm] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #31 February 26, 2007 QuoteQuotewhy....WHY! W H Y ? ! Oh, those poor put-upon white people! So, given that you have chosen to ridicule this incident, I'm going to preemptively say(before the next hate crime against gays hits the news)... Oh, those poor put-upon homosexuals!People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #32 February 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteKill whitey, they deserve it....look at how white they are! [/Sarcasm] Sadly I have run into many people with exactly that attitude. It really is unfortunate that the desire to see whitey get his comeuppance gets in the way of any constructive dialouge. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kamikaze82 0 #33 February 26, 2007 i doubt that if it was a white group that did this would even be discussed in this forum¡YA BASTA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #34 February 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuotewhy....WHY! W H Y ? ! Oh, those poor put-upon white people! So, given that you have chosen to ridicule this incident, I'm going to preemptively say(before the next hate crime against gays hits the news)... Oh, those poor put-upon homosexuals! What he said [Emphasis added].Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #35 February 26, 2007 QuoteOnce again you have no point to make, are you having fun being self loathing? Is that like a sport to you? Damn, beat me to it. Oh, the lameness. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livetofall 0 #36 February 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewhy....WHY! W H Y ? ! Oh, those poor put-upon white people! So, given that you have chosen to ridicule this incident, I'm going to preemptively say(before the next hate crime against gays hits the news)... Oh, those poor put-upon homosexuals! What he said [Emphasis added]. Heres A FACT toward that comment THAT WAS NOT put on the news. First off a good friend of mines brother is a retired county sheriff. If you never herad of Lon Mavon he was well hated by the gays for trying to get measure 9 through Oregon which would stop the teaching kids about gays. Well the so called "nice friendly" gay people had a riot in front of his property in Canby. The county sherrif dpmt during riot control were HAVING FECES THROWN AT THEM! you heard me FECES. They called the newspaper and local news to come down but neither would touch it with a 10 foot pole because that might make these gays look as sick as they are. Dont believe me? Call Clackamas county sherrifs dept out of portland/se area. So there is your media once again, of course with their high gay percentage, they wouldnt want to look bad, the left might lose the vote next time if that made the air. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kamikaze82 0 #37 February 26, 2007 that is something to laugh about. well as long as you didn't get hit with the human shit......sorry feces the new pepper spray "flammin shit" ahhh ha ha¡YA BASTA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vpozzoli 0 #38 February 26, 2007 Quote [...] I just googled the names of one of the victims. The first hit was: wait for it...not CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, Reuters, AP... It was YouTube. [...] why....WHY! W H Y ? ! mh . Well in the case of Google could it possibly be that YouTube has been acquired by Google so they're pushing it up in their rankings in order to channel more visitors there? I think Google's ranking policies are hardly indicative of a whole country's culture would'nt you think? Cheers, Vale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #39 February 26, 2007 Quotei doubt that if it was a white group that did this would even be discussed in this forum It seems your perception is a bit twisted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #40 February 26, 2007 Quote AP has covered the story - is that not mainstream enough for you? I did a news search for "Channon Christian", the female victim in this story and couldn't find any national coverage on this. What's the link for that AP story? QuoteThere's roughly one homicide every 30 minutes in the USA, many of them very grisly. If all the media covered all the homidices there would never be anything else reported. The victims were tortured and abused for days. Do you really think this is a run of the mill homicide? How is this less newsworthy than the killing of James Byrd or Matthew Shepard? QuoteBy and large homicides ARE just local stories unless celebrities are involved. Unless they offend PC sensitivities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #41 February 26, 2007 QuoteQuotei doubt that if it was a white group that did this would even be discussed in this forum It seems your perception is a bit twisted. I disagree - there are more angry white males here than angry blacks.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #42 February 26, 2007 Is someone here angry and for what reason? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #43 February 26, 2007 QuoteIs someone here angry and for what reason? ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 February 26, 2007 QuoteI disagree - there are more angry white males here than angry blacks. on this thread, the only white male avatars are yours. Maybe Narci's, but that person could just be wearing extremely pale gloves. why are you mad? and you need a shave, BTW ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #45 February 26, 2007 Quote why are you mad? and you need a shave, BTW I just got over a month of being green - skin is still sensitive.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #46 February 26, 2007 QuoteI just got over a month of being green And it's not easy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #47 February 26, 2007 I don't see what the fuss is about here. Why even worry about the ethnicity of the victims/assailants? This was a horrific crime & the perpetrators should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives. Who cares who's got which skin color. There's no proof that that was a factor anyway. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #48 February 26, 2007 QuoteWho cares who's got which skin color. There's no proof that that was a factor anyway. Stop that crazy talk. It's just not done that way. what are we talking about anyway? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jarrodh 0 #49 February 26, 2007 Quote I don't see what the fuss is about here. Why even worry about the ethnicity of the victims/assailants? This was a horrific crime & the perpetrators should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives. Who cares who's got which skin color. There's no proof that that was a factor anyway. Amen. It said in the reports that this was incident started off as a carjacking, not just a group of black people looking to torture some white folk. Is there any evidence to support the claim that this was indeed a hate crime (defined as a crime motivated by prejudice against a social group.) and not just a carjacking that led to a kidnapping and subsequent atrocities? I believe the grisly nature of these crimes should garner more media attention(Im really surprised this is the first Ive ever heard of it) however what shouldnt garner attention are the races of the parties involved. Who cares if the assailants were black dudes, just let them rot in prison for the rest of their lives then let them burn in hell after they die.2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #50 February 26, 2007 Quote just let them rot in prison for the rest of their lives then let them burn in hell after they die. Not enough punishment. Feet first into a wood chipper is my vote. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
