warpedskydiver 0 #1 February 27, 2007 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1096 110th U.S. Congress (2007-2008) H.R. 1096: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans HR 1096 IH 110th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 1096 To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 15, 2007 Mr. PAUL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Ways and Means, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A BILL To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Second Amendment Protection Act of 2007'. SEC. 2. REPEAL OF 1993 LAW PROVIDING FOR A WAITING PERIOD BEFORE THE PURCHASE OF A HANDGUN, AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM TO BE CONTACTED BY FIREARMS DEALERS BEFORE THE TRANSFER OF ANY FIREARM. Public Law 103-159 is repealed, and any provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted. SEC. 3. ELIMINATION OF SPORTING PURPOSES DISTINCTION. (a) Section 5845(f) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended-- (1) by striking `which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes'; and (2) by striking `which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes'. (b) Section 921(a)(4)(B) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes'. (c) Section 921(a)(4) of such title is amended in the 2nd sentence by striking `which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes'. (d) Section 921(a)(17)(C) of such title is amended by striking `a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes,'. (e) Section 923(j) of such title is amended by striking `devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms in the community'. (f) Section 922(r) of such title is amended by striking `of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'. (g) Section 925(a)(3) of such title is amended by striking `determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes and'. (h) Section 925(a)(4) of such title is amended by striking `(A) determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes, or determined by the Department of Defense to be a type of firearm normally classified as a war souvenir, and (B)'. (i) Section 925(d)(3) of such title is amended by striking `and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'. (j) Section 925(e)(2) of such title is amended by striking `provided that such handguns are generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'. (k) Section 922 of such title is amended in each of subsections (a)(5), (a)(9), and (b)(3) by striking `lawful sporting purposes' and inserting `lawful purposes'. SEC. 4. REPEAL OF THE CHILD SAFETY LOCK ACT OF 2005. (a) Amendments to Title 18, United States Code- (1) Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking subsection (z). (2) Section 924 of such title is amended-- (A) in subsection (a)(1), by striking `(f), or (p)' and inserting `or (f)'; and (B) by striking subsection (p). (b) Repealer- Section 5 of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (18 U.S.C. 922 note; 119 Stat. 2099) is repealed. SEC. 5. EFFECTIVE DATE. The provisions of this Act shall take effect immediately upon enactment. Quote Please call your elected officials and voice your strong support for this bill. Unless you enjoy having your rights usurped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,107 #2 February 27, 2007 Quotehttp://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1096 110th U.S. Congress (2007-2008) H.R. 1096: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans HR 1096 IH . Why is this necessary when there is no debate about the 2nd Amendment?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #3 February 27, 2007 So the fuctard politicians in this country will stop all their dishonesty in the attempt to repeal the Second Amendment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #4 February 27, 2007 Are YOU going to support this measure by emailing and calling your legislators? I already did. I got a postive response from Dennis Hastert. No response from Dickface Durbin. No response fron Barack "so what is I didn't pay for my land" Obama. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,107 #5 February 27, 2007 QuoteSo the fuctard politicians in this country will stop all their dishonesty in the attempt to repeal the Second Amendment. You can't repeal the Constitution by Act of Congress. Where did you go to school? This bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #6 February 27, 2007 QuoteThis bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time. You're whining about how politicians are wasting time. Do it better yourself, the pay's good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,107 #7 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time. You're whining about how politicians are wasting time. Do it better yourself, the pay's good. Politicians already do a great job of it, that's what THEY are paid for. I doubt I could do better.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #8 February 27, 2007 Well John then please explain to the rest of the class how any anti gun legislation has ever passed? I will let you in on a secret, the politicians do not care if our rights are eroded, they retain all their rights through clauses and exemptions. BTW I am a graduate of the 6th grade, why do you ask? I attended Hanover Countryside School... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,107 #9 February 27, 2007 QuoteWell John then please explain to the rest of the class how any anti gun legislation has ever passed? I will let you in on a secret, the politicians do not care if our rights are eroded, they retain all their rights through clauses and exemptions. The courts have the final say. UnConstitutional laws get struck down with some regularity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #10 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteWell John then please explain to the rest of the class how any anti gun legislation has ever passed? I will let you in on a secret, the politicians do not care if our rights are eroded, they retain all their rights through clauses and exemptions. The courts have the final say. UnConstitutional laws get struck down with some regularity eventually. Fixed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,107 #11 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell John then please explain to the rest of the class how any anti gun legislation has ever passed? I will let you in on a secret, the politicians do not care if our rights are eroded, they retain all their rights through clauses and exemptions. The courts have the final say. UnConstitutional laws get struck down with some regularity eventually. Fixed it. No, you didn't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jarrodh 0 #12 February 27, 2007 QuoteThis bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time. I think this bill has about as much chance of passing as warpedskydiver going to an anti gun rally in San Fransisco during gay pride week while wearing a Hilary Clinton 08 campaign tshirt. The bill was proposed in order for Rep. Ronald Paul's constituents and campaign contributors who are anti gun regulations to be appeased. Bills of far less controversy are shot down everyday, this one has no chance, especially in a democratic congress. Im glad.2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybill 22 #13 February 27, 2007 hI WARPED, Good show, also check out my post on HR 1022 by Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) it is just the opposite!!!!!! If you are not an NRA-ILA member, JOIN!!!!! and get active!!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #14 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time. I think this bill has about as much chance of passing as warpedskydiver going to an anti gun rally in San Fransisco during gay pride week while wearing a Hilary Clinton 08 campaign tshirt. The bill was proposed in order for Rep. Ronald Paul's constituents and campaign contributors who are anti gun regulations to be appeased. Bills of far less controversy are shot down everyday, this one has no chance, especially in a democratic congress. Im glad. And when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you're going to do two things: 1. Call someone with a gun. 2. Pray they get there in time. Quotethis one has no chance, especially in a democratic congress. Im glad. So much for that 'open mind' you were boasting about in the other thread, hmm? God forbid that 5'4", 110lb Suzie Single have a way to defend herself against 6'1", 190lb Roy Rapist...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jarrodh 0 #15 February 28, 2007 QuoteSo much for that 'open mind' you were boasting about in the other thread, hmm? God forbid that 5'4", 110lb Suzie Single have a way to defend herself against 6'1", 190lb Roy Rapist... Your post makes abosolutely no sense. Suzie Single CAN go out and buy a gun right now as long as she is over 18. She has a way to defend herself from Roy Rapist if she feels a gun is the best option. She has every right to do so. What I AM glad about is the fact this bill will die and not have the oppurtunity to remove such gun restrictions as waiting periods, which have been proven to be effective, and CHILD SAFETY LOCKS!!!!! Who says you cant have an open mind and an opinion on an issue at the same time? I am eager and willing to listen to any and all arguments you gun lovers throw out there. However most if not all have a certain "freedom fries" flavor to them and lack actual substance.2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 28, 2007 then please tell us why any part of of the anti gun legislation is good for us in detail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #17 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo much for that 'open mind' you were boasting about in the other thread, hmm? God forbid that 5'4", 110lb Suzie Single have a way to defend herself against 6'1", 190lb Roy Rapist... Your post makes abosolutely no sense. Suzie Single CAN go out and buy a gun right now as long as she is over 18. She has a way to defend herself from Roy Rapist if she feels a gun is the best option. She has every right to do so. And how does she do that, when that bill will cause a large number of guns that would be suitable for defense to not be manufactured anymore, and drastically increase the price of the remaining models due to the cost of compliance? QuoteWhat I AM glad about is the fact this bill will die and not have the oppurtunity to remove such gun restrictions as waiting periods, which have been proven to be effective, and CHILD SAFETY LOCKS!!!!! Waiting periods proven to be effective? Really? Show me the stats. Child safety locks? How about teaching your friggin kids that IT'S NOT A FUCKING TOY?? Not only is common sense dead, it appears that responsibility is on it's last legs, as well... QuoteWho says you cant have an open mind and an opinion on an issue at the same time? I am eager and willing to listen to any and all arguments you gun lovers throw out there. However most if not all have a certain "freedom fries" flavor to them and lack actual substance. When every post you make on the subject comes right from the Brady playbook, it's sort of obvious that you're only reading from one side of the issue...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #18 February 28, 2007 Quote What I AM glad about is the fact this bill will die and not have the oppurtunity to remove such gun restrictions as waiting periods, which have been proven to be effective. Effective against what? It certainly hasn't been effective against gun crime. I'd like to see what data you've been looking at, because the stats I've seen show that it hasn't had an effect at all. Quote and CHILD SAFETY LOCKS!!!!! You can force people to buy gun locks with guns, but that doesn't mean they'll use them, especially the people irresponsible enough that they really should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jarrodh 0 #19 February 28, 2007 QuoteAnd how does she do that, when that bill will cause a large number of guns that would be suitable for defense to not be manufactured anymore, and drastically increase the price of the remaining models due to the cost of compliance? I was talking about House Bill H.R. 1096, not the Brady Campaign. This bill will abolish all gun restrictions, therefore I am against it. Suzie Single, as the law currently stands can go out and buy an adequate firearm for self defense. Me being against unlimited guns for everyone has absolutely no bearing on her ability to go out and buy a handgun. QuoteChild safety locks? How about teaching your friggin kids that IT'S NOT A FUCKING TOY?? Not only is common sense dead, it appears that responsibility is on it's last legs, as well... You know as well as I do that accidents do happen, particularly with children, and that simply teaching a child not to play with a gun wont always work. What happens when your child (whom you have correctly taught the dangers of a gun to) has a friend over (whose family does not own a gun and subsequently doesnt know the danger) starts to play with it and accidentally kills himself or another? Education wont always solve the problem. What is the horrible inconvenience of having a child safety lock anyway? Quote Waiting periods proven to be effective? Really? Show me the stats. * Between implementation of the Brady Bill in March 1994 and year end 1997, there have been 242,000 background checks that have denied prospective purchasers permission to buy a handgun from licensed gun dealers. Those 242,000 people were denied because of criminal history or mental illness or some other valid reason. This bill would make it so that those 242,000 people could buy any gun at anytime without a waiting period. Even NRA members should recognize that not everyone should have a gun. Again, what is the horrible inconvenience of having to wait a few days for a gun? Should things with such power be easier to obtain then a rental car? QuoteWhen every post you make on the subject comes right from the Brady playbook, it's sort of obvious that you're only reading from one side of the issue... And your not reading from the NRA playbook? *Stat taken from justfacts.org2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #20 February 28, 2007 Why do instant background checks take three days? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #21 February 28, 2007 what was the rate of rejection before this? Also do you know for a fact this was not due to existing laws actually being enforced? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,077 #22 February 28, 2007 >Child safety locks? How about teaching your friggin kids that IT'S NOT A FUCKING TOY?? While that's a good idea, many two year olds do not have enough common sense to know not to play with things that are not toys. It would be great if gun owners stored their weapons so children could not get at them, but sadly this has proven to not always be the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #23 February 28, 2007 As for me reading from the NRA playbook? I just did a quick search of www.NRA.org and I could not find the playbook you speak of. Maybe that is due to thefact I am not in the secret society of ultra right wing neocons who rule the world from an undisclosed location only known to it's members including Rambo and John Dillinger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #24 February 28, 2007 So the lock will win over prevention and education. How about not having the weapon where a two year old could possibly get their hands on it? There was a case a few years ago where a young girl who was a champion shooter watched her brother die because she could not get the trigger lock off her pistol in time to shoot the intruder. It's a damn good thing she had a phone to call 911 with to report the murder huh? I will try and find the story but if I am not mistaken she was harmed as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #25 February 28, 2007 I like Chicken Fingers.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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kallend 2,107 #2 February 27, 2007 Quotehttp://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1096 110th U.S. Congress (2007-2008) H.R. 1096: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans HR 1096 IH . Why is this necessary when there is no debate about the 2nd Amendment?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 February 27, 2007 So the fuctard politicians in this country will stop all their dishonesty in the attempt to repeal the Second Amendment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #4 February 27, 2007 Are YOU going to support this measure by emailing and calling your legislators? I already did. I got a postive response from Dennis Hastert. No response from Dickface Durbin. No response fron Barack "so what is I didn't pay for my land" Obama. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #5 February 27, 2007 QuoteSo the fuctard politicians in this country will stop all their dishonesty in the attempt to repeal the Second Amendment. You can't repeal the Constitution by Act of Congress. Where did you go to school? This bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #6 February 27, 2007 QuoteThis bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time. You're whining about how politicians are wasting time. Do it better yourself, the pay's good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #7 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time. You're whining about how politicians are wasting time. Do it better yourself, the pay's good. Politicians already do a great job of it, that's what THEY are paid for. I doubt I could do better.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #8 February 27, 2007 Well John then please explain to the rest of the class how any anti gun legislation has ever passed? I will let you in on a secret, the politicians do not care if our rights are eroded, they retain all their rights through clauses and exemptions. BTW I am a graduate of the 6th grade, why do you ask? I attended Hanover Countryside School... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #9 February 27, 2007 QuoteWell John then please explain to the rest of the class how any anti gun legislation has ever passed? I will let you in on a secret, the politicians do not care if our rights are eroded, they retain all their rights through clauses and exemptions. The courts have the final say. UnConstitutional laws get struck down with some regularity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #10 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteWell John then please explain to the rest of the class how any anti gun legislation has ever passed? I will let you in on a secret, the politicians do not care if our rights are eroded, they retain all their rights through clauses and exemptions. The courts have the final say. UnConstitutional laws get struck down with some regularity eventually. Fixed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #11 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell John then please explain to the rest of the class how any anti gun legislation has ever passed? I will let you in on a secret, the politicians do not care if our rights are eroded, they retain all their rights through clauses and exemptions. The courts have the final say. UnConstitutional laws get struck down with some regularity eventually. Fixed it. No, you didn't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jarrodh 0 #12 February 27, 2007 QuoteThis bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time. I think this bill has about as much chance of passing as warpedskydiver going to an anti gun rally in San Fransisco during gay pride week while wearing a Hilary Clinton 08 campaign tshirt. The bill was proposed in order for Rep. Ronald Paul's constituents and campaign contributors who are anti gun regulations to be appeased. Bills of far less controversy are shot down everyday, this one has no chance, especially in a democratic congress. Im glad.2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #13 February 27, 2007 hI WARPED, Good show, also check out my post on HR 1022 by Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) it is just the opposite!!!!!! If you are not an NRA-ILA member, JOIN!!!!! and get active!!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis bill is political posturing and a complete waste of time. I think this bill has about as much chance of passing as warpedskydiver going to an anti gun rally in San Fransisco during gay pride week while wearing a Hilary Clinton 08 campaign tshirt. The bill was proposed in order for Rep. Ronald Paul's constituents and campaign contributors who are anti gun regulations to be appeased. Bills of far less controversy are shot down everyday, this one has no chance, especially in a democratic congress. Im glad. And when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you're going to do two things: 1. Call someone with a gun. 2. Pray they get there in time. Quotethis one has no chance, especially in a democratic congress. Im glad. So much for that 'open mind' you were boasting about in the other thread, hmm? God forbid that 5'4", 110lb Suzie Single have a way to defend herself against 6'1", 190lb Roy Rapist...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jarrodh 0 #15 February 28, 2007 QuoteSo much for that 'open mind' you were boasting about in the other thread, hmm? God forbid that 5'4", 110lb Suzie Single have a way to defend herself against 6'1", 190lb Roy Rapist... Your post makes abosolutely no sense. Suzie Single CAN go out and buy a gun right now as long as she is over 18. She has a way to defend herself from Roy Rapist if she feels a gun is the best option. She has every right to do so. What I AM glad about is the fact this bill will die and not have the oppurtunity to remove such gun restrictions as waiting periods, which have been proven to be effective, and CHILD SAFETY LOCKS!!!!! Who says you cant have an open mind and an opinion on an issue at the same time? I am eager and willing to listen to any and all arguments you gun lovers throw out there. However most if not all have a certain "freedom fries" flavor to them and lack actual substance.2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 28, 2007 then please tell us why any part of of the anti gun legislation is good for us in detail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo much for that 'open mind' you were boasting about in the other thread, hmm? God forbid that 5'4", 110lb Suzie Single have a way to defend herself against 6'1", 190lb Roy Rapist... Your post makes abosolutely no sense. Suzie Single CAN go out and buy a gun right now as long as she is over 18. She has a way to defend herself from Roy Rapist if she feels a gun is the best option. She has every right to do so. And how does she do that, when that bill will cause a large number of guns that would be suitable for defense to not be manufactured anymore, and drastically increase the price of the remaining models due to the cost of compliance? QuoteWhat I AM glad about is the fact this bill will die and not have the oppurtunity to remove such gun restrictions as waiting periods, which have been proven to be effective, and CHILD SAFETY LOCKS!!!!! Waiting periods proven to be effective? Really? Show me the stats. Child safety locks? How about teaching your friggin kids that IT'S NOT A FUCKING TOY?? Not only is common sense dead, it appears that responsibility is on it's last legs, as well... QuoteWho says you cant have an open mind and an opinion on an issue at the same time? I am eager and willing to listen to any and all arguments you gun lovers throw out there. However most if not all have a certain "freedom fries" flavor to them and lack actual substance. When every post you make on the subject comes right from the Brady playbook, it's sort of obvious that you're only reading from one side of the issue...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #18 February 28, 2007 Quote What I AM glad about is the fact this bill will die and not have the oppurtunity to remove such gun restrictions as waiting periods, which have been proven to be effective. Effective against what? It certainly hasn't been effective against gun crime. I'd like to see what data you've been looking at, because the stats I've seen show that it hasn't had an effect at all. Quote and CHILD SAFETY LOCKS!!!!! You can force people to buy gun locks with guns, but that doesn't mean they'll use them, especially the people irresponsible enough that they really should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jarrodh 0 #19 February 28, 2007 QuoteAnd how does she do that, when that bill will cause a large number of guns that would be suitable for defense to not be manufactured anymore, and drastically increase the price of the remaining models due to the cost of compliance? I was talking about House Bill H.R. 1096, not the Brady Campaign. This bill will abolish all gun restrictions, therefore I am against it. Suzie Single, as the law currently stands can go out and buy an adequate firearm for self defense. Me being against unlimited guns for everyone has absolutely no bearing on her ability to go out and buy a handgun. QuoteChild safety locks? How about teaching your friggin kids that IT'S NOT A FUCKING TOY?? Not only is common sense dead, it appears that responsibility is on it's last legs, as well... You know as well as I do that accidents do happen, particularly with children, and that simply teaching a child not to play with a gun wont always work. What happens when your child (whom you have correctly taught the dangers of a gun to) has a friend over (whose family does not own a gun and subsequently doesnt know the danger) starts to play with it and accidentally kills himself or another? Education wont always solve the problem. What is the horrible inconvenience of having a child safety lock anyway? Quote Waiting periods proven to be effective? Really? Show me the stats. * Between implementation of the Brady Bill in March 1994 and year end 1997, there have been 242,000 background checks that have denied prospective purchasers permission to buy a handgun from licensed gun dealers. Those 242,000 people were denied because of criminal history or mental illness or some other valid reason. This bill would make it so that those 242,000 people could buy any gun at anytime without a waiting period. Even NRA members should recognize that not everyone should have a gun. Again, what is the horrible inconvenience of having to wait a few days for a gun? Should things with such power be easier to obtain then a rental car? QuoteWhen every post you make on the subject comes right from the Brady playbook, it's sort of obvious that you're only reading from one side of the issue... And your not reading from the NRA playbook? *Stat taken from justfacts.org2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #20 February 28, 2007 Why do instant background checks take three days? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #21 February 28, 2007 what was the rate of rejection before this? Also do you know for a fact this was not due to existing laws actually being enforced? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,077 #22 February 28, 2007 >Child safety locks? How about teaching your friggin kids that IT'S NOT A FUCKING TOY?? While that's a good idea, many two year olds do not have enough common sense to know not to play with things that are not toys. It would be great if gun owners stored their weapons so children could not get at them, but sadly this has proven to not always be the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #23 February 28, 2007 As for me reading from the NRA playbook? I just did a quick search of www.NRA.org and I could not find the playbook you speak of. Maybe that is due to thefact I am not in the secret society of ultra right wing neocons who rule the world from an undisclosed location only known to it's members including Rambo and John Dillinger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #24 February 28, 2007 So the lock will win over prevention and education. How about not having the weapon where a two year old could possibly get their hands on it? There was a case a few years ago where a young girl who was a champion shooter watched her brother die because she could not get the trigger lock off her pistol in time to shoot the intruder. It's a damn good thing she had a phone to call 911 with to report the murder huh? I will try and find the story but if I am not mistaken she was harmed as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #25 February 28, 2007 I like Chicken Fingers.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
