JohnRich 4 #1 March 7, 2007 News summary:Samurai swords to be banned "The sale of imitation samurai swords could be banned by the end of the year, the Home Office announced today. Importing or hiring the weapons could also be made illegal following a string of samurai sword attacks in recent years. Breaching the ban would result in up to six months in jail and a £5,000 fine. Collectors and martial arts enthusiasts owning or using genuine samurai swords would be exempt from the ban According to Home Office estimates, there have been at least 80 serious crimes involving the swords in England and Wales over the last four years."Source: Telegraph Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #2 March 7, 2007 *rolls eyes* maybe we should also ban rubber bands, I used to get nailed in high school with paper clips shot by rubber bands. Another knee jerk reaction, if they didn't have the samuri swords it would have been bats or butchers knives, what are we going to do make everyone register bats and kitchen knives.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #3 March 7, 2007 I am sorry to hear that there has been a sudden rash of people being murdered using Samurai Swords. Surely that can be the only reason for such a ban. When killed with a Samurai Sword are victims usually found with stab wounds going straight through, limbs severed, torsos cut have way through or decapitated?"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #4 March 7, 2007 samurai swords dont kill people.... people kill people what are we going to do make everyone register bats and kitchen knives. *** uh huh..... you laugh now..... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #5 March 7, 2007 As long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #6 March 7, 2007 first it was guns, then swords, the point is it will not stop here... welcome to overregulation, it seems to be the norm everywhere these days RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #7 March 7, 2007 Quotefirst it was guns, then swords, the point is it will not stop here... welcome to overregulation, it seems to be the norm everywhere these days Roy And...? Does that disturb you in your daily biz over there? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #8 March 7, 2007 QuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. I hope I don't have to get registered just so I can keep a bunch of antiques. A petition has been set up for those interested: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/swords/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #9 March 7, 2007 Maybe we SHOULD ban all guns in the USA. Think how much cooler bank robberies would be- Cops and robbers in the street outside the bank having a sword fight! And the swat teams could be trained ninjas. That's it, I call for a gun ban. Only if they import more and higher quality swords though. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #10 March 7, 2007 QuoteQuotefirst it was guns, then swords, the point is it will not stop here... welcome to overregulation, it seems to be the norm everywhere these days Sadly this is true. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #11 March 7, 2007 QuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. how do you make reasonable exceptions yet prevent any crime from happening with them? Given my perceived cost for these, what non collecting criminal would use one. It seems hard to codify such a restriction. seriously - where do I get one and how much do they cost? I wouldn't want one of those dull replicas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #12 March 7, 2007 Quotefirst it was guns... Report: "Banning Offensive Weapons", by the Home OfficeThe Government has been concerned for some time about the use of offensive weapons in violent crime and in particular a number of reports of weapons described as “samurai swords” being used in violent crime, including murders. Police advice is that the easy availability of “samurai swords” makes them the weapon of choice for growing numbers of young men with criminal intentions. It is already an offence to carry a “samurai sword”, or any other bladed instrument in a public place . However we need to look at whether we should go further... The aim of this consultation is to seek views on whether we should add further weapons to this ban...Source: Home Office pdf report This sounds familiar! It's the same "logic" they used to ban guns. And they make the same false assumption that since criminals already ignore the current law against carrying swords in public, that if they just ban the item from public commerce, then the criminals won't be able to acquire them anymore. The sheep will never learn. And here's how goofy the details get. The definition they intend to use for a samurai sword is: "a curved, single edged sword". So straight swords would not be banned, nor double-edged swords. Yeah, the criminals won't be smart enough to just switch to one of those types of swords to get around this ban... Why pick on the Japanese swords? What about those monster Scottish highlander swords? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #13 March 7, 2007 QuoteI hope I don't have to get registered just so I can keep a bunch of antiques. How else are they going to know that you are an allowed exception, so that they don't arrest you? You're probably going to have to register yourself and your swords, and of course, that will likely involve some kind of recurring license fee... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #14 March 7, 2007 QuoteWhy pick on the Japanese swords? What about those monster Scottish highlander swords? I think you meant claymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #15 March 7, 2007 Allow samurai swords, give cops guns. Problem solved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #16 March 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteI hope I don't have to get registered just so I can keep a bunch of antiques. How else are they going to know that you are an allowed exception, so that they don't arrest you? You're probably going to have to register yourself and your swords, and of course, that will likely involve some kind of recurring license fee... Which is why I signed the petition. Not that the government will take any notice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #17 March 7, 2007 last i checked you are looking at about $5k - $6k minimum for the real stuff. Easy to find with a simple google search.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,564 #18 March 8, 2007 QuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. Do you people even bother reading posts anymore, or do you just pick up on an inflammatory title? ***Collectors and martial arts enthusiasts owning or using genuine samurai swords would be exempt from the ban Johnrich, your title is misleading.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DZJ 0 #19 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. Do you people even bother reading posts anymore, or do you just pick up on an inflammatory title?Sheesh, no need to go off on one. I did read the article, as it happens. Would you be happier if I edited to add 'As the article says...'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #20 March 8, 2007 Quotelast i checked you are looking at about $5k - $6k minimum for the real stuff. Easy to find with a simple google search. I could buy a .50 cal for that kind of money! (oh, nevermind, I live in California. Better give the sword. But that strikes me as a $1000 extravagence, not a 5k one. ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #21 March 8, 2007 And...? Does that disturb you in your daily biz over there? *** actually what really desturbes me is the fact that the only people who are ever affected by these bans are the legal owners.... criminals dont care about the law... never have-never will, so the law does nothing but take one more 'right' away from law abiding citizens. Personally I am sick of the nanny mentality our government(s) promote in the name of "civilization" RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #22 March 8, 2007 QuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. Boss Paul: "You got your mind right, Luke?" Luke: "Yah. I got it right. I got it right, Boss." . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #23 March 8, 2007 QuoteThe definition they intend to use for a samurai sword is: "a curved, single edged sword". They really should add "double handed" to that. The Chinese Broadsword fits their existing definition. There are many people in the Chinese community who own these and while they are all martial artists, they practice their art in an informal manner, and not in registered schools, choosing to rather learn from traditional teachers. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #24 March 8, 2007 QuoteWhen killed with a Samurai Sword are victims usually found with stab wounds going straight through, limbs severed, torsos cut have way through or decapitated? I am just going to hypothesize - but likely a diagonal cut into/across the torso - which causes them to bleed out relatively quickly - either that or a stab wound. The former (kesa giri) was found to be one of the most prolific types of wounds on victims after the Satsuma rebellion in Japan - why is that interesting, the more popular koryu forms of sword arts taught at that time did not rely heavily on kesa giri. In otherwords, when training collapsed, people would start hacking in a diagonal fashion towards the head and shoulder area. I would supect most people (especially the untrained) would continue to do the same today. BTW - cutting through flesh, let along limbs with a blade is a tricky affair to begin with - if the hasu-ji (blade angle) is not perfect, the blade will likely be bent to the point of being unusable until repaired, after the first cut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #25 March 8, 2007 QuoteCollectors and martial arts enthusiasts owning or using genuine samurai swords would be exempt from the ban So you can't buy one but you can own two! 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kelpdiver 2 #11 March 7, 2007 QuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. how do you make reasonable exceptions yet prevent any crime from happening with them? Given my perceived cost for these, what non collecting criminal would use one. It seems hard to codify such a restriction. seriously - where do I get one and how much do they cost? I wouldn't want one of those dull replicas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #12 March 7, 2007 Quotefirst it was guns... Report: "Banning Offensive Weapons", by the Home OfficeThe Government has been concerned for some time about the use of offensive weapons in violent crime and in particular a number of reports of weapons described as “samurai swords” being used in violent crime, including murders. Police advice is that the easy availability of “samurai swords” makes them the weapon of choice for growing numbers of young men with criminal intentions. It is already an offence to carry a “samurai sword”, or any other bladed instrument in a public place . However we need to look at whether we should go further... The aim of this consultation is to seek views on whether we should add further weapons to this ban...Source: Home Office pdf report This sounds familiar! It's the same "logic" they used to ban guns. And they make the same false assumption that since criminals already ignore the current law against carrying swords in public, that if they just ban the item from public commerce, then the criminals won't be able to acquire them anymore. The sheep will never learn. And here's how goofy the details get. The definition they intend to use for a samurai sword is: "a curved, single edged sword". So straight swords would not be banned, nor double-edged swords. Yeah, the criminals won't be smart enough to just switch to one of those types of swords to get around this ban... Why pick on the Japanese swords? What about those monster Scottish highlander swords? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 March 7, 2007 QuoteI hope I don't have to get registered just so I can keep a bunch of antiques. How else are they going to know that you are an allowed exception, so that they don't arrest you? You're probably going to have to register yourself and your swords, and of course, that will likely involve some kind of recurring license fee... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #14 March 7, 2007 QuoteWhy pick on the Japanese swords? What about those monster Scottish highlander swords? I think you meant claymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #15 March 7, 2007 Allow samurai swords, give cops guns. Problem solved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #16 March 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteI hope I don't have to get registered just so I can keep a bunch of antiques. How else are they going to know that you are an allowed exception, so that they don't arrest you? You're probably going to have to register yourself and your swords, and of course, that will likely involve some kind of recurring license fee... Which is why I signed the petition. Not that the government will take any notice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #17 March 7, 2007 last i checked you are looking at about $5k - $6k minimum for the real stuff. Easy to find with a simple google search.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #18 March 8, 2007 QuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. Do you people even bother reading posts anymore, or do you just pick up on an inflammatory title? ***Collectors and martial arts enthusiasts owning or using genuine samurai swords would be exempt from the ban Johnrich, your title is misleading.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #19 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. Do you people even bother reading posts anymore, or do you just pick up on an inflammatory title?Sheesh, no need to go off on one. I did read the article, as it happens. Would you be happier if I edited to add 'As the article says...'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 March 8, 2007 Quotelast i checked you are looking at about $5k - $6k minimum for the real stuff. Easy to find with a simple google search. I could buy a .50 cal for that kind of money! (oh, nevermind, I live in California. Better give the sword. But that strikes me as a $1000 extravagence, not a 5k one. ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #21 March 8, 2007 And...? Does that disturb you in your daily biz over there? *** actually what really desturbes me is the fact that the only people who are ever affected by these bans are the legal owners.... criminals dont care about the law... never have-never will, so the law does nothing but take one more 'right' away from law abiding citizens. Personally I am sick of the nanny mentality our government(s) promote in the name of "civilization" RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #22 March 8, 2007 QuoteAs long as reasonable exceptions are made for martial artists and collectors, restrictions on samurai swords don't bother me. Boss Paul: "You got your mind right, Luke?" Luke: "Yah. I got it right. I got it right, Boss." . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #23 March 8, 2007 QuoteThe definition they intend to use for a samurai sword is: "a curved, single edged sword". They really should add "double handed" to that. The Chinese Broadsword fits their existing definition. There are many people in the Chinese community who own these and while they are all martial artists, they practice their art in an informal manner, and not in registered schools, choosing to rather learn from traditional teachers. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #24 March 8, 2007 QuoteWhen killed with a Samurai Sword are victims usually found with stab wounds going straight through, limbs severed, torsos cut have way through or decapitated? I am just going to hypothesize - but likely a diagonal cut into/across the torso - which causes them to bleed out relatively quickly - either that or a stab wound. The former (kesa giri) was found to be one of the most prolific types of wounds on victims after the Satsuma rebellion in Japan - why is that interesting, the more popular koryu forms of sword arts taught at that time did not rely heavily on kesa giri. In otherwords, when training collapsed, people would start hacking in a diagonal fashion towards the head and shoulder area. I would supect most people (especially the untrained) would continue to do the same today. BTW - cutting through flesh, let along limbs with a blade is a tricky affair to begin with - if the hasu-ji (blade angle) is not perfect, the blade will likely be bent to the point of being unusable until repaired, after the first cut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #25 March 8, 2007 QuoteCollectors and martial arts enthusiasts owning or using genuine samurai swords would be exempt from the ban So you can't buy one but you can own two! Cool good news for the manufactorers.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
