MB38 0 #51 October 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere's a good video on SkydivingMovies of a cliff BASE in which the jumper has a line over. It wasn't spinning [thankfully] so he managed to get out his hook knife and cut the offending line. If that's the video I'm thinking of, then the canopy was definitely spinning. You can see a complete rotation before the jumper gains control with toggle input. The canopy only flew straight with around 3/4 toggle input on the opposite side (which is why the jumper is using one hand and his teeth to manipulate the knife, and you never see the other hand--it was busy keeping the canopy flying away from the cliff). On a BASE jump, your very first priority is to avoid object strike, which is why canopy heading is addressed before issues with the canopy itself. I watched the video again and you are correct. I thought it wasn't spinning because of how quickly the jumper reacted to stop the spin. He has an immediate 180 off heading and a quick spin to face him in the correct direction. I can see the toggle input you're describing to stop the spin as well as a few attempts to clear the line over before he starts rigging. At my jump level, I learn more every day. What I see watching the video today is very different than what I saw a few weeks ago.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #52 October 28, 2005 Quotethe jumper Do you always refer to yourself in the 3rd person? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #53 October 28, 2005 QuoteDo you always refer to yourself in the 3rd person? LOL I was grinning reading Tom's Reply too MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #54 October 28, 2005 >In the old days he'd have been grounded. No offense but your profile says you have been jumping 10 years, What "old days' are you refering to? The 90's? I once landed a strato star that was not exactly square, it had a bit of a "bow tie" but I could not figure out why? After doing a canopy control check I decided to land it. The landing was a bit rough but that was not unusual for a strato star. (It was sure better than I would of got on the 22 ft. sac I had as a reserve) I didn't get chewed out or grounded, but some were disappointed I wasn't going to be buying beer. (I also cut away the same canopy 3 times) Back then some depolyment bags had a huge grommet where the bridle passes through the bag and I had a big wad of material stuffed into the hole causing the bowtie. From the ground it looked ugly. I admit I would probably not attempt to land a line over on the gear I jump now even if if I could get it to fly straight. But, this guy looks like he is jumping a large, docile, student-type canopy. As someone mentioned he walked away from it so he did the right thing. If he got chewed out or grounded for it maybe next time he has an end-cell closed he chops that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #55 November 4, 2005 Quote>In the old days he'd have been grounded. No offense but your profile says you have been jumping 10 years, What "old days' are you refering to? The 90's? No offense taken smartass, but since you make an issue of it, most of those years were in the seventies, with a 22 year break. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #56 November 7, 2005 Quote>That's what a hard deck is for, if your canopy don't look like the one in >the pretty brochures by your hardeck, LOSE it and give the other one a chance. I would disagree depending on the scenario. The primary criterion is - can you safely land it? If you can turn it and flare it, odds are you can land it. And if you are pretty sure you can land it, then it may well make sense to keep it rather than cut away a good canopy and get a potentially malfunctioning one. If the canopy is landable (i.e. it passes tests) and the problem isn't getting worse (i.e. the hole is not elongating) then it may well be a good idea to keep it. In this case, he kept it and walked away. He _probably_ would have been OK had he cut away, but because his main was landable he didn't need to take the chance of a reserve problem. Reserves are generally very well designed, and most riggers do an excellent job maintaining and packing them. Nevertheless, they can sometimes fail. The idea "you should always trust your reserve 100%" has killed people; reserves are not 100% reliable (although they are very reliable compared to mains.) I sure hope to hell the dead guy at Perris wasn't reading this crap last week. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #57 November 7, 2005 QuoteI sure hope to hell the dead guy at Perris wasn't reading this crap last week. Witnesses put him under a fully inflated, flying main with the slider collapsed. Nobody knows what he was thinking and all there is at this point is speculation. This is probably best left alone.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #58 November 8, 2005 ugh... I'd have chopped that. Thinking back to AFF 1: Check for: Shape No Spin Float If it isn't square, I don't want to try landing it unless I have no other choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #59 November 8, 2005 I'd rather check flaring too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #60 November 8, 2005 QuoteI'd rather check flaring too. A full control check comes after the shape/spin/float check as it was taught to me. It all ends up at the same place.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #61 October 30, 2006 Hey i see you got that link working again. Scary shit man. I'd probly just chop that sucker if i was at 2 grand or higher.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #62 October 30, 2006 Why 2 grand? ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airman210 0 #63 November 1, 2006 There really is no difference between this video and a video of someone living after a ridiculous low pull or hook turn. Sometimes you get lucky.... The idea of a controlabilty check is to ensure that a normal looking canopy flies normally. If it looks like shit, get rid of it. I had a cutaway from a bridle wraped around a brake line and d group. It flew okay but when you think about it, things could get bad low. So bye bye. If there is any question, altitude permitting, cut it. The reserve is a parachute too folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
