JohnnyD 0 #1 March 20, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fired_prosecutors I'm not sure if I'm more surprised about how quick this is happening or how lopsided the vote is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #2 March 20, 2007 Quotehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fired_prosecutors I'm not sure if I'm more surprised about how quick this is happening or how lopsided the vote is. Good news. It's nice to see a Congress which was recently so eager to cede their authority to the executive finally decide to grab some of it back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 March 20, 2007 I still don't see the scandal of this. The federal prosecutors are Presidential appointees. They can be dismissed at anytime, for any reason. It happened under previous administrations too.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #4 March 20, 2007 nevermind Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #5 March 20, 2007 QuoteI still don't see the scandal of this. The federal prosecutors are Presidential appointees. They can be dismissed at anytime, for any reason. It happened under previous administrations too. Libs, its like talking to a wall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #6 March 20, 2007 Seems to be about a four year appointment with a mass turnover with administrations - all new appointments subject to senate approval. Problem here is prosecutors are being replaced purely for political reasons and without senate approval. I guess they're pretty pissed they got left out as evidenced by the 94-2 vote. Pretty hypocritical for them to cry about judicial activism and then do this. Instead of legislating from the bench, they legislate from the bar (or fire you if you don't comply). Pretty crappy all in all, but Al G. has done far, far, far worse. If this takes him away, its a good end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #7 March 20, 2007 QuoteI still don't see the scandal of this. The federal prosecutors are Presidential appointees. They can be dismissed at anytime, for any reason. It happened under previous administrations too. A bunch of the pissed-off senators were GOP. Maybe they know something you don't. It was a very lopsided vote.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #8 March 20, 2007 >It happened under previous administrations too. Incorrect. Prosecutors have been dismissed en masse previously at the beginning of an administration; they have not been replaced selectively to abort specific investigations or punish prosecutors for not toeing the adminstration's line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #9 March 20, 2007 Quote It happened under previous administrations too. You're right, possibly three attorneys over 27 years. Then what, seven...eight last year? Like everything else, these folks take political shenanigans to a whole new level. Sameoldshit^10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #10 March 20, 2007 If Ali G had been an otherwise decent AG and the administration hadn't been an absolute embarrassment, I think the political capital necessary to pull off the firings would have been there. In this case, not so much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 March 20, 2007 Quote>It happened under previous administrations too. Incorrect. Prosecutors have been dismissed en masse previously at the beginning of an administration; they have not been replaced selectively to abort specific investigations or punish prosecutors for not toeing the adminstration's line. It still doesn't matter. It is the perogative of the President. There is no scandal. President Carter did it to a guy mid-term. It happened under President Clinton too. There is no scandal here. The Congressional vote is simply guys refusing to grow a pair and move to real business. Congress, since the election, has consistently side-stepped real work to focus on discrediting a leader whom no one is running against in 2008. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #12 March 20, 2007 >There is no scandal here. Ah! Then there was no vote, and no issue to consider. No document were released, and that provision of the Patriot Act was not changed. Best stop posting about it then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #13 March 20, 2007 It's not just a river in Egypt. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 March 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteI still don't see the scandal of this. The federal prosecutors are Presidential appointees. They can be dismissed at anytime, for any reason. It happened under previous administrations too. A bunch of the pissed-off senators were GOP. Maybe they know something you don't. It was a very lopsided vote. The vote was to close a loophole in the Patriot Act to remove the AG's ability to appoint temporary prosecutors without Senatorial oversight.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #15 March 20, 2007 Hell, got to be careful with that mouse button. Them GOP Senators need to learn to fight back. Damn Cowards. Ya'll need to leave em alone, they under alot of pressure trying to find there way back from "Insignificants". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #16 March 20, 2007 94-2. If you can't get your head around the fact that there is a problem and not just a party line vote, you may as well get that elephant tattoo on your ass. Ali G is not going to see the end of the month as AG and very deservedly so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #17 March 20, 2007 QuoteQuote>It happened under previous administrations too. Incorrect. Prosecutors have been dismissed en masse previously at the beginning of an administration; they have not been replaced selectively to abort specific investigations or punish prosecutors for not toeing the adminstration's line. It still doesn't matter. It is the perogative of the President. There is no scandal. President Carter did it to a guy mid-term. It happened under President Clinton too. There is no scandal here. The Congressional vote is simply guys refusing to grow a pair and move to real business. Congress, since the election, has consistently side-stepped real work to focus on discrediting a leader whom no one is running against in 2008. You may think that there is no scandal here. Will you feel the same way in 2014 if a Democratic president decides to do the same thing, the same way, for the same reasons? The majority of the people who keep up on current events realize that this is a scandal. A major scandal. One that reaches up into the top levels of the Bush administration. One that is a clear demonstration of serious ethical shortcomings, at best. The facts of how these firings happened are pretty sickening. Do you honestly believe that firing Lamm was an appropriate action? Do you know who I am talking about? Do you know what she accomplished? Do you know what her firing greatly impeded? Now that the Republicans aren't in control of Congress anymore, you are beginning to see real checks and balances in action. If you haven't been around for a long time and lived through several administrations, you likely aren't used to it. Contrary to recent history, Congress is not supposed to be a "rubber stamp" for the President. You might want to brush up your civics knowlege and read the US constitution yourself. It is a fascinating document. The Founding Fathers were very amazing people. Holding a Presidential administration to account for their methods of government is EXACTLY what Congress is supposed to do. For the last six years it didn't happen. Now it is. It is about time. There is six years of oversight to complete in less than two years. I am extremely sorry that you have yet to realize the full extent of the lies, dishonor, and compete lack of ethics of the Bush administration. As the Congressional investigations continue, the facts will come out. I am fully aware of your service to our country and what it has cost you. I thank you for serving our country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #18 March 20, 2007 And Bush claimed he would bring honor back to the presidency. For shame. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #19 March 20, 2007 QuoteCongress, since the election, has consistently side-stepped real work to focus on discrediting a leader whom no one is running against in 2008. And what again did the glorious republican controlled congress achieve while enjoying almost absolute power for quite some time? (it is unusual for this many to get terminated in the middle of the second term of a presidency. We aren't talking about 1 getting canned.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #20 March 20, 2007 >And what again did the glorious republican controlled congress >achieve while enjoying almost absolute power for quite some time? Now come on, that's not fair. They prevented 9/11 - well, they almost did. They invaded Iraq and confiscated Saddam's WMD's freed the Iraqis from a life of terror stopped Al Qaeda dead in their tracks closed the torture and rape rooms ended the mass graves caught Saddam. They invaded Afghanistan and caught Bin Laden stopped Al Qaeda eliminated the Taliban closed Al Qaeda's sanctuaries got Al Qaeda moved a few hundred miles to a different sanctuary. They restored honor and integrity to the White House brought some honor back to the White House avoided criminal charges avoided criminal charges on the major players. They took good care of wounded vets didn't treat wounded vets too badly found a good scapegoat for the mistreatment of vets. They paid down the debt balanced the budget didn't increase spending as fast as Clinton OK, they blew it on this one. See? You can still meet goals if you just move the goalposts fast enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #21 March 20, 2007 Quote>And what again did the glorious republican controlled congress >achieve while enjoying almost absolute power for quite some time? Now come on, that's not fair. They prevented 9/11 - well, they almost did. They invaded Iraq and confiscated Saddam's WMD's freed the Iraqis from a life of terror stopped Al Qaeda dead in their tracks closed the torture and rape rooms ended the mass graves caught Saddam. They invaded Afghanistan and caught Bin Laden stopped Al Qaeda eliminated the Taliban closed Al Qaeda's sanctuaries got Al Qaeda moved a few hundred miles to a different sanctuary. They restored honor and integrity to the White House brought some honor back to the White House avoided criminal charges avoided criminal charges on the major players. They took good care of wounded vets didn't treat wounded vets too badly found a good scapegoat for the mistreatment of vets. They paid down the debt balanced the budget didn't increase spending as fast as Clinton OK, they blew it on this one. See? You can still meet goals if you just move the goalposts fast enough. Although I really disagree with the bolded part, I will give you a hearty "Mission Accomplished" on the rest. Doing a heck of a job, Bill! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 March 20, 2007 QuoteI still don't see the scandal of this. The federal prosecutors are Presidential appointees. They can be dismissed at anytime, for any reason. It happened under previous administrations too. Oh come one now. This manufactured scandal can't be dismissed that easily"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #23 March 20, 2007 QuoteIncorrect. Prosecutors have been dismissed en masse previously at the beginning of an administration; they have not been replaced selectively to abort specific investigations or punish prosecutors for not toeing the adminstration's line. First off, the U.S. Attorneys should be like a professional referee. They should go after any apparent crime without bias. It is my understanding that there was some apparent voter fraud that was not being investigated. if the reason for this was because the attorneys were displaying partisanship, they were being politcal and deserved to be fired. Of course it's politcal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #24 March 20, 2007 >This manufactured scandal can't be dismissed that easily It could be dismissed very easily - let the people involved testify and let the truth come out. (Of course, that will never happen. They can't lie under oath, so they will never, ever agree to go under oath.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #25 March 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteI still don't see the scandal of this. The federal prosecutors are Presidential appointees. They can be dismissed at anytime, for any reason. It happened under previous administrations too. Oh come one now. This manufactured scandal can't be dismissed that easily Pay attention: Pelosi - "I want my jet" was manufactured. These prosecutors really were fired. Even GOP senators are pissed. Quite a difference.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
